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Invisiblesudly
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Are you a shill?
    #26791226 - 06/29/20 01:53 AM (4 days, 8 hours ago)

Do you believe there is an effervescent nature to human consciousness, AND that evolution is true?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26791249 - 06/29/20 02:19 AM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

Consciousness is pure and so is every object within it.. it is only in consciousness that you can take something apart and put it back together again..


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26791260 - 06/29/20 02:42 AM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

But do you believe in evolution?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #26791266 - 06/29/20 02:48 AM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

Sudly, I’d say there is an “effervescent” dimension to all of our life’s experience because of Mind, which in turn is itself like an emergent property of having a sufficiently complex & formed brain + the rest of the organism embodied all into one, interacting & interdependent with the environment at large - with it all being brought about by natural evolutionary processes.  But there’s also probably more to the grand story.
How ‘bout dat.  Or is it too shilly for you?
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26791267 - 06/29/20 02:51 AM (4 days, 7 hours ago)

Yes change, adaptation freewill.. learning and definitely evolution..

Spontaneous generation is an interesting theory..

Morphogenetics as well..

Game theory applied to natural systems and hierarchies..

Concluding with what has been changed and what has stayed the same!

0 as change and 1 as the thing that has stayed the same..?

Or should it be a zero change event vs a changing one perhaps a straight line perhaps not.. but one with angles.. measured down to a point..

Decimals, real numbers and integers always to measure angle and geometry..

Myswell include Gematria Science as well!


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26791352 - 06/29/20 04:41 AM (4 days, 5 hours ago)

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sudly said:
Do you believe there is an effervescent nature to human consciousness, AND that evolution is true?



define effervescent in this.

of course evolution is true, but again, not everyone understands the term.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26791740 - 06/29/20 09:54 AM (4 days, 3 minutes ago)

Re: sudly

Evolution does not explain everything. Yes it works to explain much of the diversity of life. "Now-a- days", it is modified somewhat to include new info on epigenetics, and a few other 'things', but in essence it holds true.

Time itself has no duration and space no size, as they can't 'get outside themselves' to measure themselves. Like wise, awareness of awareness, has no measurable characteristics.

All 3 of the above 'categories' are more abstract than the more concrete phenomenon that manifest 'within' them.

When you ask: "Do you believe there is an effervescent nature to human consciousness" it seems to me you attempt, to define or explain, abstractions in the terms that only apply to manifestations of concrete phenomenon.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26791898 - 06/29/20 11:29 AM (3 days, 22 hours ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26792868 - 06/29/20 06:18 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Quote:

sudly said:
Do you believe there is an effervescent nature to human consciousness, AND that evolution is true?



define effervescent in this.

of course evolution is true, but again, not everyone understands the term.




I meant it as in champagne bubbles, but I suppose enthusiastic is a nice thought too.


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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26792878 - 06/29/20 06:21 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

Is anyone suggesting there's an ephemeral nature to human consciousness?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26793422 - 06/29/20 10:43 PM (3 days, 11 hours ago)

The consciousness itself is a still.. meaning it is always at something..

The something is either still here.. something at rest.. or something that is ephemeral.. A changing thing from one body to another..

So too can the consciousness itself be still.. but that nature of what we concentrate on can change..


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26793525 - 06/30/20 12:25 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago)

So to be clear, or at least concise, you are suggesting an ephemeral nature to human consciousness.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26793613 - 06/30/20 01:52 AM (3 days, 8 hours ago)

I am contending that both staying the same and changimg are both part of consciousnes.

The person/being is self existent and is always still..

But the objects of consciousness are bound to change.. The things that one is conscious of.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26793649 - 06/30/20 02:58 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago)

Are you suggesting an ephemeral nature to consciousness?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26793720 - 06/30/20 05:11 AM (3 days, 4 hours ago)

ephemerality is essential to the content of consciousness.
consciousness however is transitory and non-continuous e.g. sleep, death.
during wakefulness, consciousness seems continuous due to currents of associative links.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26793747 - 06/30/20 05:29 AM (3 days, 4 hours ago)

It's funny how effervescent and ephemeral fit, but what about ethereal?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26793867 - 06/30/20 07:04 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago)

ethereal relates to what you might smoke


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26795062 - 06/30/20 05:23 PM (2 days, 16 hours ago)

Would anyone defend an ethereal nature to human consciousness?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26795106 - 06/30/20 05:47 PM (2 days, 16 hours ago)

I would!

I think that awareness is like voidness which is like space or ether (not the chemical called ether)


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26795207 - 06/30/20 06:37 PM (2 days, 15 hours ago)

Could human consciousness be both ephemeral, and ethereal (incorporeity)?


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