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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26802765 - 07/04/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Both Jimmy Page and Robert Plant got huge passes.
Iggy Pop is another.
Iggy wrote a full on song about an underage groupie. I think Bowie had an underage g/f too if I'm not mistaken. Bringing this up in my 40 something age group gets people really defensive and mad as though everyone in the 70s banged minors or something....
Tom Jones seems to not only have gotten away with it but got the press not to talk about it, google Tom Jones + South Africa you get stuff like:
https://www.brongersma.info/Police_investigating_Sir_Tom_Jones_over_child_rape_allegations
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CookieCrumbs said: Mark Wahlberg is hot and Kramer is not.
Kramer said he was just trying to be edgy though in a foul mouth stand up comic kind of way, he was new to stand up and when he got heckled he didn't know what to do. I won't say I feel bad for him but I think its time we let him back in. Marky mark oth committed violent racial hate crimes and has never suffered in his career for it....
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: viraldrome] 1
#26803010 - 07/04/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kramer even was like so apologetic in the most sincere way after that happened. He made some skype apperances on other talk shows and was shocked apologetic, not trying to be funny even though the crowds were laughing when he was apologizing and he was struggling to apologize profusely enough about that stand up thing.
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: trees]
#26803033 - 07/04/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like the clip where he says it tbh
“40 years ago you’d be in a tree with a fork in your ass” “You’re not funny”
As ferocious as Kramer tried to be the real truth that his stand up wasn’t funny was more brutal on a personal level. Every mediocre comedian suffers like a substitute teacher. They cry because people are talking but they’re talking because they’re not engaged. Not many people can do it. Being black isn’t a failure. Bombing on stage is and he freaked out because he was bombing not vice versa.
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: Amanita86]
#26803154 - 07/04/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: What happened with Phil Anselmo?
See for yourself.
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: zZZz]
#26803324 - 07/04/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26803368 - 07/04/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's Lindsey Ellis opening up about her experience with cancel culture on social media.
Only from the alt right instead of the left (or people who fancy themselves left.)
She makes a point early on in the video about someone who made some bad social media choices a very long time ago that someone dug up. She defended the person because she didn't want to set a bad precedent. People and times change.
That person was cancelled.
A few months later people tried the same tactic with her. Taking her posts out of context and using it to say she's a terrible person and trying to ruin her relationship with PBS and publishers.
She also says only one person in a position of any power attempted to cast a positive light for her in that situation.
I think this happens because we are obsessed with negativity. A rallying cry is more effective when you provide a target for hate rather than love. Because... we don't like love very much. We don't like expressing it anyway. Or we think it's not welcome or not helpful.
But always getting behind the hate parade and not the pride parade has... very negative implications.
Lindsey Ellis is one of the few celebrity (?) voices I respect because she always makes the point to her audience that it's not right to say thing bad or thing good most of the time. That's too simple and often not entirely truthful. In this case I would say I think her opinion would be thing problematic.
She probably doesn't have a problem cancelling JKR but... well personally I stopped with the idea of Power To The People when I realized people, en mass, are probably too stupid to have power.
And I think social media is a wonderful avenue we've never had before that does give power to the people. But most people are simple minded, closed minded, and stupid, so they can and do abuse that power.
People with the intelligence to understand better manipulate that power. As they have always done.
The only solution is for us to become less stupid. And that's not an easy task.
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: viraldrome]
#26803399 - 07/04/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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viraldrome said:
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TheFakeSunRa said: Both Jimmy Page and Robert Plant got huge passes.
Iggy Pop is another.
Iggy wrote a full on song about an underage groupie. I think Bowie had an underage g/f too if I'm not mistaken. Bringing this up in my 40 something age group gets people really defensive and mad as though everyone in the 70s banged minors or something....
Tom Jones seems to not only have gotten away with it but got the press not to talk about it, google Tom Jones + South Africa you get stuff like:
https://www.brongersma.info/Police_investigating_Sir_Tom_Jones_over_child_rape_allegations
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CookieCrumbs said: Mark Wahlberg is hot and Kramer is not.
Kramer said he was just trying to be edgy though in a foul mouth stand up comic kind of way, he was new to stand up and when he got heckled he didn't know what to do. I won't say I feel bad for him but I think its time we let him back in. Marky mark oth committed violent racial hate crimes and has never suffered in his career for it....
Don't think I'm justifying it. That sort of thing was exactly my point on page 2 or whatever.
Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby both only got attacked at old age. When they were perceived to be less powerful. (don't think I didn't think they deserved it, that's not the point.) Flack is likely to be thrown and gain attention in those that do not have all the power, that aren't part of the primary power class.
I think it was easier to talk shit about both because the media wasn't praising for them for their role in film or whatever. Meaning they had less ardent supporters.
And that's probably part of the Kramer thing too. He wasn't doing TV at the time and wasn't a beloved character in TV that people project their feelings onto.
There's a whole lot of psychology at play here when you ask "why him but not him?" or her.
And I can only guess at what that psychology is but: It is proven without a doubt that people are more likely to think better of attractive people and are more likely to assume they didn't commit a crime
It is proven that people tend to jump to negative assumptions more often when the person is a minority
It's proven that people have less fond reactions to an idea (in this case a person) they haven't had positive interaction with in an extended period of time
It is a long tradition to excuse behavior in a male that would not be excused in a female (boys will be boys)
It is proven that people view wealthy white men who present their wealth in appearance are less likely to be viewed as vulnerable
None of this is at a conscious level. How can you logic someone through something they did not logically get themselves into?
Though... the hard thing about bringing up very old examples is just that just 10 years ago the climate was very different. Gay and faggot and rape jokes were a staple of the internet back then and widely used in comedy and rap. Now? Well, people call that awareness. If the old age vulnerability theory holds up we'll probably have to wait another 10-20 years. To coincide with the increased awareness.
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: lowbrow] 2
#26803501 - 07/04/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: What happened with Phil Anselmo?
See for yourself.
Bro, you’ve never screamed white power while having a white wine spritzer? Come on now..
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Re: Separating an artist from their work. [Re: Amanita86]
#26803676 - 07/04/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's Panterrible
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