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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: normalperson]
    #26795046 - 06/30/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi NormalPerson. Great user name!

Around here, the dots you define as pins are usually referred to as knots. We call them pins when they have a distinct cap and stipe beginning to push up. Then fruit as they mature.

I know that there are some specific mycological terminology for the various stages, but these are the generally agreed upon terms that I have seen here.

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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26795104 - 06/30/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So ?  How did it go ?:popcorn:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Bsfixit]
    #26795272 - 06/30/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Really well...he daid :tombstone:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26797155 - 07/01/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

HEY NOW tydygy, i thank you for your reply. i've been here at shroomery for about 10 years but lost the passwords and email accounts used on my previous account in a house fire. i do understand most of the terminology used here but confess that it's difficult to keep up with the perception of what they mean (re: what does FAE stand for?) i think (judging from your reply) that we both agree that a knot is a very small blob with no cap. we also agree that a pin has both a cap and a stem (stipe). the only point of confusion between us seems to be the length of the stem (stipe). you seem to be saying (correct me if i'm wrong) that a pin has no/almost no stipe. i think a pin stays a pin regardless of the length of the stem, that it is the maturity stage of the cap that determines when a pin turns into a fruit. your definition could require dozens of pins to make a dry gram, mine could require only one, large pin. so, the question remains....what are all the other people posting on this thread referring to when they say "pins"?


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: normalperson]
    #26797189 - 07/01/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fae is fresh air exchange.

That’s a good point about pins, I always consider them pins until the little skirt thing pops out and the cap starts to change too. So technically I’ve had bb size pins and some the size of my thumb.



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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: A.k.a]
    #26797239 - 07/01/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:laugh: there was a long thread about "what does FAE mean? not long ago:laugh: i was just using that as an example, not as a question. i agree with your definition of a pin.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: normalperson]
    #26797301 - 07/01/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well, live and learn. I was only thinking of them as pins for the first couple of days after they showed caps. So maybe the first inch or so and while the cap looks hard, dark and round. Once they started filling out I thought of them as fruits, then just before and after the veil breaks. I see what you are saying now.

So yup, I get what you mean when wondering if Phrontist is eating ¼ inch or 6 inch mushies. I am so intrigued by his questions that I plan to do some experimenting of my own. I think it would be great to discover that they reach say 50% or more of their potency in their first couple of days and 10% of their potential weight.

Unfortunately, since the test apparently broke Phrontist :grin: we will have to work it out ourselves. :wink: Good thing I have a few days off coming up.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26797524 - 07/01/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Howdy! Experiment didn’t break me, lol. Just had a lot of real life yesterday. Sorry for the delay in reporting.



As I mentioned the other night, I went with ~25g of fresh “pins” which were all less than 1 1/2 inches tall. Picked, cleaned, weighed, and eaten within 5 minutes so there was minimal time for changes in the samples.

The experience was absolutely more than what I’d expect at an equivalent of mature fruits. My previous trip was ~38g of fresh mature fruits, and this one was close in strength to that, with a less intense peak. I would put this trip around 30-35g equivalent, as certain effects were present that don’t happen for me sub 3g/30g (dry/wet).

However, what occurred in my tub overnight was perhaps the most interesting thing: EVERY ITEM opened its veil, even the 1” pins I’d left behind. Looking things over, it felt very much like I’d caused a panic, “We’ve lost contact with all of our babies, drop all spores and make a new batch ASAP!” I’m insanely curious if anyone has seen such a thing before, as this behavior could be a potential roadblock to harvesting pins.

In thinking about all this, I came up with another theory I’d like to test in the near future. I’m wondering if the extreme discrepancy in strength people sometimes notice is not in just any pin per se, but rather in aborts specifically. Reading dozens of anecdotal reports from around the web, so many of them mention aborts.

We’re pretty sure that aborts happen because those growths pull excess moisture out of the substrate to correct conditions, then they stop growing and are consumed back into the mycelium. What if that process is triggered by filling the pin with 100% of its psilocybin and psilocin levels? Maybe that’s how the mycelium says, “ Okay, you’re done growing, you’ve fulfilled your purpose, time to pack up.” Almost like it tricks the growth by filling its capacity early, y’know?

Curious what y’all think about this.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26797551 - 07/01/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Glad you made it back! Totally understand about that real life thing. We were just very excited to see what you found out.

I am going to try to duplicate your results on a smaller scale. No WAY am I ready to eat 38 grams fresh. My plan is to separate the pins from the mature fruit on my harvest this evening and see what my before and after weights are when drying. Then try a normal weight dose of dried pins only.

Next flush I want to try harvesting them at about two days from pinning and do the same. Also curious to see if that prompts a new flush sooner or angers the myc into a stall.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26797657 - 07/01/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Those are right where I normally harvest mine, or within a few hours of it. I think the potency was probably genetics this time unless that variety happens to grow significantly after opening the caps.

I was thinking like a day or two earlier than where those are to count as really pins.



Personally I’d consider these full grown fruits just with the cap closed.  Could be just me though.

This is like what I think of as the farthest they can get and still be pins


Idk if I could bring myself to harvest a whole tub of them though lol.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: A.k.a]
    #26797718 - 07/01/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@tydygy - awesome, looking forward to getting another perspective. Please post here afterwards!

@Aka - I think the perspective is making them look larger, and they’re in a toddler cup too, lol. Most of what you see is between 3/4” and 1”. Judging by the rest of the tub, those were still about 18-24 hours away from where you like them. There’s definitely room to go earlier though, and I’m keeping that in mind for future test runs. And yeah, it felt weird plucking them out, but even weirder when I saw how the rest of the tub reacted to my mass infanticide. :sad:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26797754 - 07/01/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m going by how open the caps are, and like you said they were open the next day. I just had a whole tub of tiny Amazonians only a couple inches.

Somebody needs to just grow a clone and pluck pins within a couple days of them showing up, that’d be the ultimate test.

How much stronger was it for you than that kind normally are?


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: A.k.a]
    #26798524 - 07/02/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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How much stronger was it for you than that kind normally are?




Not significantly stronger. Had I not been looking for a discrepancy and purposely made the dose just under my threshold, I’m not sure I would have noticed.

If I was forced to draw a conclusion based on this one test alone, I would say it’s not worth the sacrifice. And if you have to harvest them even sooner, you could possibly be talking about wiping out half a flush from a 54 quart monotub for one trip.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26799141 - 07/02/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@Phrontist Thanks for the invite to post here, I didn’t want to hijack your thread, but will keep it here now.

@AKA That is my plan. I am going to grab them a couple of days old on the second flush from the tub I just harvested last night.

I separated my “pins” from my fruit when clipped last night. Though, it is really more that I have the small and large mushrooms separated. They are all in the dehydrator now. I hope to try the pins only this weekend to see if they feel stronger. I have a couple of guys that have been helping me with QA testing that I should be able to poll for additional opinions.
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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26799207 - 07/02/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m also curious if pins are 90% water weight like matures. You seem to be tracking that. Nice!


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