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Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits * 1
    #26792330 - 06/29/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A recent conversation about pins having a higher concentration of active ingredients compared to mature fruits got me thinking. In a hypothetical situation where one is cultivating totally for personal use, and they are growing at a rate far exceeding their consumption rate, could it make sense to harvest pins rather than letting them mature?

I’m going to just throw out some numbers that are for illustrative purposes only, call it a possible hypothesis. Let’s say a single mature fruit is 10 grams and contains 100% of its potential actives. That same fruit is 1 gram at pin stage and contains 50% of its potential actives. This would mean that 2 grams of pins contain the same amount of actives as 10 grams of mature fruit.

Again, none of those numbers represent actual values, but if those basic principles apply, it could be something interesting to explore. Many people who are averse to the taste could see the benefit of needing to consume less material in order to achieve the same result. Reducing storage footprint could be a boon for many as well, both from a logistics and a liability standpoint.

I’m going to be doing research and experimentation on the subject, and I’m extremely interested in experiences, ideas, and links to any related information y’all may have.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26792445 - 06/29/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Go for it! Would make a great experiment! Just remember you wont get any prints (obviously) so make sure you have some back-up culture slants, colonized petri dishes and/or spore prints before attempting.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26792561 - 06/29/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A few months ago I was plagued with a spore print with a sneaky clear mold that wreaked havok on my grows. Many tubs aborted as inch long pins. I harvested and dried them anyway. They are powerful. I didn't weigh the doses, so no empirical data but I would guess .25g of them was equal to about 2.5g of regular. Friends and I used some yesterday on a river trip.
A 4oz jar held enough for 18 people to have multiple doses.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26792695 - 06/29/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Haven’t been able to find anything scientific on the subject yet, but there is a metric shit ton of anecdotal reports, assumptions, and guesses. One of the more interesting theories I’ve come across is that, in addition to pins having higher concentration, you also consume more individuals when going that route, which creates less variance.

In other words, if you’re eating 3g and get it from 3 mature fruits, your total active amount is subject to a lot of volatility (e.g. one fruit has .1g, another .5g, the third .7g). If instead you get those 3g from 30 pins, your total active amount should be more stable.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26792706 - 06/29/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I usually just pick the little ones, during harvest and throw them into the process bag. They don't look good, so people don't like them but they are good for chocolates gummies and tea. Idk about potency but they usually are a little stronger in my experience.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26792802 - 06/29/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think you make good points. There are a lot of benefits from concentrating the actives. Just guessing while high, but maybe you also could get more/faster flushes from the same tub if they were harvested as pins? Total guess.

But I wonder if growers would ever actually choose to murder a beautiful pinset even if it's advantageous? I would.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: MH5109]
    #26792819 - 06/29/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to see studies that suggest that pins have a higher concentration of actives. The recent work I've seen actually suggests that the concentrations are slightly higher in mature fruits than in pins (i.e., more alkaloids per dried gram of biomass). I'm sure it varies by species given that some species produce psilocybin in their mycelium while others don't, but the research I'm referring to was done with Psilocybe cubensis.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: MH5109] * 1
    #26792826 - 06/29/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Idk about potency but they usually are a little stronger in my experience.




With how many people I’ve seen and heard saying the same, I would be surprised if there isn’t some truth to it scientifically. Too many experienced adventurers and natural skeptics for it to all be confirmation bias, IMO.

I’m gonna toss back 20-25g of fresh pins in a bit and see how it feels in a few hours. If there’s nothing to the theory, it should be a very mild experience for me. I usually go with 3.5-4.5g dry for a solid trip with some peak intensity, mild visuals, acute synesthesia especially with feeling tastes. Mostly writing this down now for myself to look back at in a bit and assess.

In case anyone is wondering, it’s been just over three weeks since my last trip. Shouldn’t be a factor in judging efficacy of tonight.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Mycoactive]
    #26792835 - 06/29/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I think you make good points. There are a lot of benefits from concentrating the actives. Just guessing while high, but maybe you also could get more/faster flushes from the same tub if they were harvested as pins? Total guess.

But I wonder if growers would ever actually choose to murder a beautiful pinset even if it's advantageous? I would.




My thinking is that even if you can’t get faster/more from a tub currently, these setups are designed to create mature fruits. How quickly and efficiently could pins be created if that was the goal?


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I'd like to see studies that suggest that pins have a higher concentration of actives. The recent work I've seen actually suggests that the concentrations are slightly higher in mature fruits than in pins (i.e., more alkaloids per dried gram of biomass). I'm sure it varies by species given that some species produce psilocybin in their mycelium while others don't, but the research I'm referring to was done with Psilocybe cubensis.




Do you happen to have a link or any details I could search for to find these studies? Would love to look through them.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26792965 - 06/29/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’m gonna toss back 20-25g of fresh pins in a bit and see how it feels in a few hours. If there’s nothing to the theory, it should be a very mild experience for me. I usually go with 3.5-4.5g dry for a solid trip with some peak intensity, mild visuals, acute synesthesia especially with feeling tastes. Mostly writing this down now for myself to look back at in a bit and assess.

In case anyone is wondering, it’s been just over three weeks since my last trip. Shouldn’t be a factor in judging efficacy of tonight.




For comparison purposes, since you usually do around 4g, wouldn't it make more sense to take 4g of the test material?


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26792990 - 06/29/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not if they are wet. Then it would be around 40g wet.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: MH5109]
    #26793047 - 06/29/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, fresh. True but now that's throwing in another unknown variable, since fresh are stronger than dry.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26793070 - 06/29/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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For comparison purposes, since you usually do around 4g, wouldn't it make more sense to take 4g of the test material?




4g dry is roughly equal to 40g fresh, is the general thinking regarding conversion.

I ate 24.91g fresh a little over 45 minutes ago. Two reasons for this:

1. I’m not looking for anything incredibly intense tonight. On the off chance that 25g of fresh pins is so concentrated that it’s like having double that amount of mature fruits, I’ll still be in a zone I’m comfortable with.

2. I’m working with the hypothesis that 25g of fresh pins will be at least equal to 25g of fresh mature fruits. I have a lot of experience over several decades now with doses ranging from 2g to 12g dry. Certain things just don’t happen for me below 3g, which is why I put my starting point just below that threshold. If those things happen, it would indicate either a significant aberration for me or the presence of more than an equivalent level of alkaloids.

Hope that makes sense. Starting to take off now and my mind is getting a bit wavy! :grin: :mushroom2:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26793095 - 06/29/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you wanted to end up with 4g dry, you would dehydrate 40g wet.
Ime fresh is 2-3x stronger than dried. So 25g wet could feel like 50g dry. And if pins are 2-10x stronger, that could feel like  100-500g dried. Good luck, let us know!


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26793118 - 06/29/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I was wondering about this a while back because of a quote someone had from RR, but when I went searching he was saying the opposite thing.

So many things just get said over and over with no definitive proof. I want to know damnit. I really want to have a GC/MS device and the knowledge to use it lol to test this stuff out.

I've never thought the caps were stronger than stems, at least not from subjective trips, but I'd like to know for sure. And how much does active % differ in a monoculture or clone. Do cubes stop producing psilly chemicals after a certain point?

Hope your trip does you well :cheers:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26794018 - 06/30/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve never eaten them myself yet but I gave a big bag of aborts to some friends and they said it was definitely stronger.

I never thought about it but if it works harvesting pins might be the ultimate way to go. All the energy that usually gets spent growing the big shrooms would be put into flush after flush of pins.

Curious how this went, especially if they’re up to 10x by weight like said earlier.


This is one of those things that’s plausible enough and so many people have reported it that I think it’s probably true.


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: A.k.a]
    #26794296 - 06/30/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is my first reply! Finally Im inspired by this cliff hanger!
And just harvesting my first bin ever this week and super curious about optimal harvest points.

Please don't leave us wondering too long!


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    #26794716 - 06/30/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:  :popcorn:  :popcorn:


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26794730 - 06/30/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely curious about how this plays out !!


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Re: Harvesting Pins Instead Of Mature Fruits [Re: Phrontist]
    #26795026 - 06/30/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

the pinhead of a mushroom is called a pin because of its size, the same size as the head of a sewing pin. i'm pretty sure y'all aren't talking about fruits so small you need Tweezers to harvest them, so what size/stage are y'all talking about? in my mind, it's at any point before the cap starts pulling away from the stem. they could be anywhere from 1/4 inch to 6+ inches tall.


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