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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26795503 - 06/30/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And in regard to wifi, or radio signals, I don't think they should be considered ethereal, or intangible in the sense.
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26795605 - 06/30/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It’s almost like a hologram or magical illusion. I’m thankful for it. It’s really quite wonderful.
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Are you referring to radio waves or human consciousness?
And do you see a distinction between the two?
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26795796 - 06/30/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Human consciousness. Yes I distinguish between the two. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not saying it’s literally magic or literally a hologram . It’s a figure of speech.
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So how would you distinguish between human consciousness and radiowaves?
I would lean towards their ethereal status, but I'm interested in other views.
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26796049 - 07/01/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could the universe ever bring about anything more fundamentally miraculous than something which allows it to be privy to itself- ie - consciousness? Awareness? That’s my sentiment.
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You haven't made a distinguishment?
I wasn't asking rhetorically.
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26796117 - 07/01/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know nothing.
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The Blind Ass said: Yes I distinguish between the two.
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26796244 - 07/01/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am glad I missed these hours of troubled thinking. radio waves are signal on a carrier. consciousness or brainwaves are strictly localized complex fields rapidly interacting in the supportive tissue (cerebral cortex). outside of this tissue, the field effects diminish rapidly and have no sharable content, while radio waves are all about a steady carrier wave and content or signal carried for miles. the carrier for consciousness is the physical brain. all localized.
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gasoline and transcence
such is awareness
it is being there
it is not being there
with being there
both
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if everyone would understand how awesome smoked dmt is on a psych psychs would be legal in no time
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Radio waves don't appear to be ethereal.
Isn't it kind of closed minded to think only brain waves are involved? Especially in regard to a complex field.
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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
#26796519 - 07/01/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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the signal on radio is one dimensional compression of sound waves to EM signal intensity over radio waves, it can be received at a point and expanded easily back to sound (for stereo 2 channels, no prob).
Brainwaves only have multipoint efficacy in the tissue, once out of the tissue there are no receptors pick it up, and if they did pick it up the arrangement of points is no longer strictly the same so no memory excitation, no recognition of forms etc..
sameness of points in the arrangement is what permits the memory effect: and each memory has thousands of geometrically related points not just stereo.
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What is a brainwave field made out of ? Can it be measured ?
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measured all the time on an eeg.
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So the actual waves measured on the graph aren’t really what a brainwave is. It’s a response to something occurring in the brain. So would it be fair to say that you can only experience brain wave states and not directly observe them? In which case I would slide towards the ethereal view.
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Yellow Pants said: So the actual waves measured on the graph aren’t really what a brainwave is. It’s a response to something occurring in the brain. So would it be fair to say that you can only experience brain wave states and not directly observe them? In which case I would slide towards the ethereal view.
they are waveforms from the spots being recorded. those waveforms are resultant interference waves (or cumulative energies from crossing wavepaths) from a plurality of excited neurons, some sensory, some motor, some auditory, some visual, some visceral etc. etc.
this is a low resolution eeg. a very high resolution eeg would have about 250000 leads (still a low number) and could record a much more meaningful fluctuation of electrical fields. One that could be played back to the same or another person with the same kind of calibrated sensor arrangement.
at this higher resolution, it could be reasonable to transfer the recording of a few minutes onto the original or another person's brain, and then see how much got realized by the recipient person, by comparing notes with the originator of the neural activity record.
Lots to learn and re-learn from that set of experiments (and I am sure it is coming in the next 5 years or so,) about thinking and feeling, dreaming and tripping, and also about mpd and other varieties of mental difficulties.
I suspect not ethereal at all, just a different aspect of localized electrical field interference patterns that connect to other ones.
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So you are saying that consciousness is a complex interference pattern of various colliding patterns that takes place in the body. Firing and interacting neurons that produce wave pattern frequencies of some kind that are basically what is conscious experience.
If that’s the case then I’ll accept that. However it goes back to the nature of matter in the first place doesn’t it? And there I would assume you’d say “Big Bang” which isn’t all that solid.
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Yellow Pants said: So you are saying that consciousness is a complex interference pattern of various colliding patterns that takes place in the body. Firing and interacting neurons that produce wave pattern frequencies of some kind that are basically what is conscious experience.
yes, that is part of consciousness, it is also half of the engine that creates memory.
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Yellow Pants said: If that’s the case then I’ll accept that. However it goes back to the nature of matter in the first place doesn’t it? And there I would assume you’d say “Big Bang” which isn’t all that solid.
I do not agree that this is the same as morphogenic fields nor do I think that ordinary non-cellular matter (non-brain tissue) can sustain complex wave form interference and form memories from that. Most of Animalia does have some brain tissue that will enable experiencing and learning. so not all the way to the big bang but millions of years of instances of consciousness, individuals, entities moving around on the earth, sea, air.
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