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Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting?
    #26789529 - 06/28/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Spawned a shoebox exactly one week ago, and it is a rhizo garden!!! Everything is a all spikey in every direction, going up in the air, and parts are starting to climb the edges of the shoebox. I was just wondering, and if anyone knows, how does the process of knotting occur? What happens when knotting occurs? I know knots are primordia, but I am interested in knowing how the knots occur from something like this? Does very rhizomorphic mycelium start to flatten and overlay the substrate and knots are created?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26789548 - 06/28/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

almost sounds like u need more fae pics???


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26790127 - 06/28/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So the substrate never colonizes rhizmorphically with rhizomorphs? Should I already be knotting?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26791446 - 06/29/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is it bad that I have rhizomorphic colonization with rhizomorphs and hyphae? Should my substrate not be colonizing rhizomorphically? Should I already be knotting or something?

I cracked my lid more then...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791453 - 06/29/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No one can tell you much without a picture but “spikey” usually isn’t a good sign.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791462 - 06/29/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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going up in the air, and parts are starting to climb the edges of the shoebox.




That doesn't sound good.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791529 - 06/29/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I mean it’s not climbing out of sides of the shoebox or anything, the surface is very rhizo with some rhizomorphs spiking up from the substrate. I can’t take a picture until I’m back home. I never knew rhizomorphic colonization of your substrate was a problem...? But I cracked my lid more now for more FAE, so hopefully my substrate doesn’t dry out now. I never knew this was a bad thing, if anything I thought it was a good thing and good sign of colonization...? So now I’m confused. Maybe it could be because I compressed the substrate this time? And if you think it’s from FAE well I cracked the lid more now, so there is a gap all round the lid plus it’s sitting on top of the latches, so I feel like it should have  sufficient gas exchange all the way around. Does more FAE start to cause knotting?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791573 - 06/29/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know much about 'spikes'... someone else with experience with this?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791579 - 06/29/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think it’s fine, especially with the pictures I saw a few days ago.

From what I’ve seen with rhizo myc the little spikes or fingers will suck back down into knots once it starts fruiting.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26791580 - 06/29/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

excellent!  thanks for that big step in learning!


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791751 - 06/29/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Without pics it's hard to tell, but if it's climbing up the sides, it may be reaching out for more oxygen. Either way, it probably won't cause any problems when it starts to develop fruits, if anything all the aerial mycelium might help to trap the moisture :grin: Good luck :smile:


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AlexHoratio]
    #26791764 - 06/29/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

don't know about all that  :goodmorning:


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26791773 - 06/29/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Now I need to lower my FAE back down when I get home. I left it more cracked than I usually do, now I’m worried my substrate is fucking drying out now.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791782 - 06/29/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

just leave the goddam lid on and unlatched for the whole duration of consolidation... works great!


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26792261 - 06/29/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Now I need to lower my FAE back down when I get home. I left it more cracked than I usually do, now I’m worried my substrate is fucking drying out now.



Just take a deep breath pal everything is fine.
Until it's not. Lmao.
A little extra fae doesn't hurt you can just put the lid back how you keep it when you get home and moisture will redistribute. If it does get extra dry you can lightly mist it but I'm guessing this wo t be necessary.
From the pics you sent me it looks fine.
I'd just leave it be and wait until you get knots in a couple weeks then increase FAE.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26792386 - 06/29/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Here you go, some pictures today, one week since spawning.



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26794120 - 06/30/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's what I've been doing, leaving it unlatched with the lid on top so the gap is providing FAE. I was reading and following your advice of doesn't sound good and more FAE! Now it's leave it alone.

I'll leave it be. Once it starts knotting I'll change and mess with my FAE to increase it.

Couldn't it just be that it's colonizing very rhizomorphically and hyphae are reaching out from the surface on the sides of the tub because it's a common thing and a sign of a good very strong culture? It doesn't always seem to indicate something must be wrong...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26794171 - 06/30/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

They look ok to me. I’ve seen some that look real gross with the fingers sticking up everywhere and no normal kinda fuzzy looking myc in between. You’re seem like an okay mix of the two.

I’ve never had any myc doing that though so I don’t know if the knots will form in crevices and the little fingers will just hang out or what. I have had some “fans” of rhizo myc that pop to the surface from the side of the tub and it will have like 4-5 thicker fingers that each knot up at the tips once they reach the surface. I didn’t get a pic of it exactly but this top one put out some at the tips of the fans you can see.


Just wait and see I guess and take pictures when they first start forming knots if you can. I’m interested to see what it does.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26794193 - 06/30/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Also using a top layer makes the myc look a lot different.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26794200 - 06/30/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's what I have if you notice, "fans" as you called it, especially around the edge. I was trying to learn more about the process of how these knot, but it seems like what will happen is they can shrink back down to create knots, or the tips will become knots like you experienced. Now the ones that go higher up I'm not sure, maybe they will hang out as fruiting begins, go away, shrink, not sure. I already put a slight casing top layer whenever I spawned it of some left over bulk substrate on top of the whole thing, so it seems to of even surpassed the surface. We'll see. I was just caught off guard when describing and asking about knotting, and then I started getting all these responses of "not good"...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26794202 - 06/30/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Which I did also, I used a slight top layer whenever I spawned. Whenever I spawned I used a light top layer of left over bulk sub just to cover the entire surface and any exposed grains at the time.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26797208 - 07/01/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Do you usually increase FAE when knotting starts? Or just when pinning starts?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26797252 - 07/01/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Knotting. Once there’s a lot of knots I try to get as much air and evaporation as possible until the pins are in. Seems to make a noticeable difference in how many knots turn to pins.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26797296 - 07/01/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I'm seeing some knotting starting to occur in random places on the surface, not a whole bunch, but some in the corners and scattered throughout. I think it's been taking awhile and lagging because I had compressed this sub. Definitely does make a difference I feel timing wise. I can also kind of tell the corners are pulling away a bit because the liner is curling and no longer flush with the tub. I'm thinking that I should go ahead and increase FAE now? Or wait for more knots?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26797408 - 07/01/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Either way, long as it doesn’t dry out. I usually see knots around the edges first too.

I haven’t done a ton of Burma but it’s definitely been slower than average for me. Like 15-20 days to pin. Always been potent though too.

Don’t worry about compressing it man I promise that didn’t do anything. Wet coir seems to slowly expand back to normal anyway unless you seriously pack it down. I pack my edges as much as humanly possible with no problems.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26797511 - 07/01/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh wow, that is a while for pinning! I need to keep an eye on the surface mycelium then, usually it gathers droplets like morning dew, but it is sure to evaporate and dry out by then if we're talking 2 to 3 weeks. I was thinking about giving it a couple pumps of mist.

Yeah I know compressing the sides isn't usually a big deal, and I did that on my AA+ grow. I was worried about this one because I actually compressed the whole substrate trying to make it all fit. I thought that maybe it had something to do with how slow it is colonizing and taking so long to even knot up.

I got a couple jars of RW that are just wrapping up colonizing and ready to spawn tomorrow. They're pretty much fully colonized except for a few top grains aren't totally covered. Hopefully they'll be covered when tomorrow rolls around, if not then I'm still spawning, I don't think a few fully colonized grains is going to make or break it. Hopefully my attention will be spared from the Burma for a bit and focus on the RW, but I'm sure I'm going to be glued like a hawk to both. This is first time I'm actually cultivating 2 different tubs at the same time! Hopefully I'm not going to feel in over my head like you did at one point!!! Lol.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26797675 - 07/01/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think you should start like ten right now that would be perfect for you. There’d be so much going on you wouldn’t be able to hyperfocus on one thing or little things.  Plus you get a ton of experience and mushrooms real fast!


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26800918 - 07/03/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Whipping up some bulk substrate this morning to spawn my RW, moved my shoebox of Burma to a room with light, and saw 3 pins! These things look weird, like a cap on top of a cap - double dick heads.

And these came out of nowhere because there weren't any last night, but all of a sudden they look like they've been there for a couple days at least. Amazing how there are no pins, and then the next day you see a pin and the growth.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26800926 - 07/03/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nice. Yeah it’s always amazing how fast they move. With my last Tamps tub there was nothing one morning and I soaked the casing, came back in the afternoon to four pins.

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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26800959 - 07/03/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm interested to see what your tups look like now as well. I spawned 4 days after you did with the seemingly same set-up (casing layer and tamped it down a bit). My mycelium is growing exactly like yours, I'll post a picture. What are you growing? Mine are Cambodian Cubes.



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26800962 - 07/03/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yours look great too man, perfect surface.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26800967 - 07/03/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yours look great too man, perfect surface.




I can't take any credit for that. I just put a lid on it and forgot about it. Shaper gets all that credit for the bomb ass tek. Shaper's Shoes


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26800985 - 07/03/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well you still gotta hydrate it and level it lol.

The put the lid on and forget it part is why I love these.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26801032 - 07/03/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's Burma. I will post some pin pics soon. Yeah mine totally looked like yours. But I'm in sort of a predicament now - I already had a little FAE going from a little cracked lid, but I introduced more FAE with a bigger gap in the lid now over the last 24-36 hours, and all of a sudden some pins have started. I'm not sure whether that has to do with introducing more FAE or it was going to happen no matter what, but I don't know which way to leave it. I'm concerned with the way I have it now that it may dry out the substrate if it's too much FAE. Yet again, that's how I did for the last 24 hours and all of a sudden there are some pins... So I'm not sure which one is best...?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26801053 - 07/03/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I usually crank up fae right before pins start, but there’s plenty of air with the lid on so I don’t think there’s a huge difference. Plus like you said it needs more attention to keep from drying out.

I’ve had great pin sets leaving the lid on the entire time when I forgot about them too.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26801084 - 07/03/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The tek I am following says to leave the lid on until the shrooms are almost touching it, then simply pop it and set it on the tub and the shrooms will push it as high as they need. There may be a box style difference, I'm not using the sterilite shoeboxes I see most post with that have the two clamps on the lid. I'm using ones where the lid clicks into place but it has a slim gap all the way around. These bad boys.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26801212 - 07/03/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So is the consensus snap the lid back on closed and wait and only start to open the lid and increase FAE when they’re almost hitting the lid?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26801427 - 07/03/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Those are the exact shoeboxes I'm using for my Burma grow!!! Sterilite purple latch ones and everything. I only got those this time though because the normal ones I get were out of stock. Honestly, I don't really like them, I like the other ones I usually use better. I need to try that tek though, Shapers Shoes, since I can get the exact ones purple latch ones it shows and that I'm using for my Burma.

Compared to what I use I don't like the depth of these shoeboxes, the lid doesn't sit on top of the latch the same way as the other ones, so it doesn't provide FAE the same way that I'm used to. Sounds like I should just latch the box totally closed and only open for FAE when they the mushrooms are big enough. One conflicting thing though that I've heard, researched, and seen pictures of is mushrooms that haven't gotten enough FAE, so how is this possible to just cut off all FAE latching it closed for almost the entirety of the grow? Is this what you guys are recommending I do? Snap the lid and latches closed? I'm having trouble understanding how this is a good thing and how it works cutting off all FAE until the very very end?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26801448 - 07/03/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't cut off the FAE, the shoeboxes are designed to hold shoes quite literally so they allow air transfer so that the shoes don't get moldy. The lids do not completely seal even when latched. Check this thread out. Shoebox Varieties


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26801469 - 07/03/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I know that, I was thinking that it is just not enough still for the substrate and growth. So if you were me you would just totally latch it closed right now instead of already keeping an FAE gap?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26801531 - 07/03/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would leave the lid latched on until someone said different, if it makes you feel better you could unlatch the lid once you see pins. but the more FAE in there the more attention you're going to have to give it moisture wise.

I flipped the lid upside down on 1 of my 3 tubs to see if it makes a difference over the next 3 days. I'll let you know the results. This particular tub hasn't been pictured in my thread or anywhere due to the fact that when I spawned them, the jar used for this tub had green mold in it. But them smell matched that of the other two jars, the mold was barely visible and sparse throughout the jar. I spawned it to see what mold in a shoebox would look like so I could spot it in future grows. Well now the shoebox looks and smells exactly like the others so no cantam as I can tell. It has stayed in a different part of the house the entire grow just in case though.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26801616 - 07/03/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah please let me know. Can't do it now but I'll probably just latch the lid down once I get back home later on tonight.

I thought FAE was needed throughout the grow and if you left it latched and locked down it wouldn't receive enough FAE. I was thinking the FAE matters now as evidenced by the fact that it started to pin once I opened the gap for more FAE. I've always seen these pics of mushrooms with too little or no FAE, and they're all deformed, long, skinny, growing in every which way direction.

I was always under the thought and assumption that keeping the lid latched down was basically like suffocating and not good.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26801660 - 07/03/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not on the shoeboxes we use. There is plenty of FAE even when the lid is on.

These two post are what my opinion is based on. The grocery bag would allow a similar amount of FAE in.

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at 50-80% colonization, or immediately, put into "fruiting conditions" which is removing the lid and putting a grocery bag with some small holes poked in it over the top





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As per bod, I also do not differentiate fruiting from colonizing conditions, I set these up into "Growing Conditions" straight at spawn. So what this means is that you want to latch your lid for your shoebox, then set it aside in a place that gets a good 12 hours of light per day. This doesn't have to be super direct, or very strong as long as it is 6500k light (or sunlight), and isn't too far away.  "What about Dub-Tubbing or flipping the lid?!" You may ask yourself. Well, stop asking yourself that. This is a TEK designed to be set-and-forget so we do none of this. The only step you should take is that, when the mushrooms are about 24-48 hours from finishing up, you'll want to unlatch the lid.




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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26801717 - 07/03/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Right, so  in response to BOD’s tek he initiates a grocery bag with holes for FAE early, which is done pretty early hence the 50 to 80 percent colonization. So he’s already providing the FAE way before fruiting begins.

The other says the opposite: provide FAE when the mushroom hits the lid.

So this is the conundrum I am finding myself in. I’m planning on latching it down when I get home. Hopefully it doesn’t turn out to be in the “not enough/no FAE category” looking all fucked up.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26801744 - 07/03/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Half the point of Shaper's shoebox method is that you don't need to touch it until your fruits are almost ready. Most people who do it don't touch it until their fruits are ready. Unless you think there's a really good reason to do otherwise, I would suggest doing like everyone else does.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: dfwerydfhg]
    #26801789 - 07/03/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, never heard of Shapers Shoebox until today in the thread. Bod's is also an unmodified-let-it-sit shoebox, you just have to know when to initiate the proper FAE. Next time I'm going to try the Shapers Shoebox tek: making the bulk sub under field capacity, and make sure to spray the entire substrate down when spawning, and then leaving the lid locked. But until then this is what I'm working with and how I ran my other shoebox, which was a very successful AA+ grow.

The only problem I'm encountering is the gap I have now for FAE, whether to increase it (because when I did the other day, all of a sudden a few pins started - but I don't know if it is because of that and is a good sign or if it would of happened regardless), keep my current little gap (how I have it currently) or when I get home just lock and latch the lid down until they grow to the lid and then crack the lid.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26802425 - 07/03/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's not really such a definitive thing. You do need fae but those shoe boxes provide a decent amount even with the lid snapped shut. You just have to watch the mushrooms and see what they're liking.

My first cycle with the sterilite I left the lids latched and they looked great until the mushrooms were almost at the top in a couple and a few more were slightly behind. Then I unlatched them, misted, and left the lids cocked a little for like 24 hours so they all blew up real quick to the same size for a total harvest.

Ones I'm doing now they looked stuffy and the myc was getting a little fluffier after 100% so I unlatched the lids and made the stacks a little smaller so there wasn't so much weight pushing on some. They knotted all up and boomed

I had a little heater blowing more often in the room during the first grow. Less now that it's warmer. I think the shoe box gives a perfect tight area for the canopy effect. If you get them in a close group they hold their humidity and you can up the air and give them a boost :mushroom:


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26803069 - 07/04/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There’s still only the 3 pins from yesterday, waiting for more to fill in so I can take something picture worthy. Weird, when looking back at my last shoebox, this one doesn’t nearly even have the amount of knots and knotting. Maybe that’s why I only have 3 pins.

Looks like there is still a lot of unused real estate space that could of potentially had plenty of knots, especially in the corners, instead it’s just a very white flat covering of mycelium. I wonder if that will break apart and knot up.

I wonder why I didn’t get as many knots this time...? I wonder if I should just chalk it up to every culture, tub, colonization, and grow is always different, or if it has to do with my conditions?

Gave it a couple pumps of mist yesterday to keep the surface beaded. People are telling me to just keep the lid shut which I am also...

Hopefully I’ll have a pin worthy picture for you guys in the next couple of days instead of just these same sorry ass 3 pins...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26803231 - 07/04/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wow that looks bad ass, I hope to achieve a canopy like that some day! Right now I still have the same 3 pins, no sign of anything else. I'm going to take a picture when I have some good pins filling in, but I'm seeing that this box actually doesn't have nearly the amount of knots I had on the last, so maybe I won't even have a lot more pis or mushrooms. A friend on here said that Burma is a very slow colonizer and grow so it could be that also.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26803318 - 07/04/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's not really such a definitive thing. You do need fae but those shoe boxes provide a decent amount even with the lid snapped shut. You just have to watch the mushrooms and see what they're liking.

My first cycle with the sterilite I left the lids latched and they looked great until the mushrooms were almost at the top in a couple and a few more were slightly behind. Then I unlatched them, misted, and left the lids cocked a little for like 24 hours so they all blew up real quick to the same size for a total harvest.

Ones I'm doing now they looked stuffy and the myc was getting a little fluffier after 100% so I unlatched the lids and made the stacks a little smaller so there wasn't so much weight pushing on some. They knotted all up and boomed

If you get them in a close group they hold their humidity and you can up the air and give them a boost :mushroom:



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26804264 - 07/04/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Weird looking pin, already some mutation right possibly? Looks weird like two separate caps...? Also, these corners aren’t knotting up really for some reason, is there something I should be doing? Or does some stay like that? Why are the corners not knotting?



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26804276 - 07/04/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Huh never seen that mutation with Burma before, that’s the typical gt/b+ cap bump.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26804285 - 07/04/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What is that, what do you mean by that? Also, do you think my conditions are good are is there something wrong with the corners? They're not knotting up...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26804771 - 07/05/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is this a bad sign of the mushroom? The orange ball on top of the cap?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26804781 - 07/05/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is this orange bump a bad thing? What the heck is that?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26804796 - 07/05/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m not sure what’s up with the corners. The cap thing is fine it’s a pretty common mutation.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26804803 - 07/05/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This doesn’t seem like it is going to be a successful grow... It doesn’t seem to be going the way it should be...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26804810 - 07/05/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

lol relax man it’s fine. Every grow is different.

This is the last gt I did and it had the least weird caps I’ve seen.



Usually there’s like a third of them with it. Burma has been weird for me, takes forever, pins weird, small, but it’s always been really potent. The guys I give most of mine too always ask when I’m gonna run it again.



The last two pics are my second ever grow, the rest are a clone I kept running. Wish I had more ms pics. Idk why mine are tiny but Burma’s supposed to be known for monsters. Eats got some good pictures.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26804855 - 07/05/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I understand, but it’s also the corners that have me a little worried. It’s only like the center colonized how it should and knotted and pinned, the corners seem flat and not knotting, worried if it can be a breeding ground for bacteria and/or contamination. Also some of the pins that have that ball are just like falling back over on themselves because that orange thing is making it too top heavy.

These are things I’m experiencing that never happened with my other so I don’t know what to do and if some of these things are signs of something I can do or not... I was under the assumption if there is some other extra growth on top of the caps that it has to do something with my part and the conditions I control and alter...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26807413 - 07/06/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Really disappointed with how this Burma is turning out. Corners didn’t even really knot up, there’s so much unused real estate, and I only have several pins to show for from 2 quarts of spawn. Don’t understand why so few pins, don’t even have a good pin set filling in or anything. It’s like the center of the tub is the only part that knotted, and even with that I only got 7 pins out of this whole thing. Not sure why the corners didn’t even colonize correctly, don’t know what the hell happened here. Just doesn’t seem right. Very disappointed. Something is up because out of this whole thing I’m going to just be harvesting 7 mushrooms? Something is not right...



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26807469 - 07/06/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Gotta be weird ms genetics. With that much spawn it’ll probably keep cranking out a couple every day for a long time.

The corner myc is odd though. It looks like what happens to a lot of mine after a flush or two, I actually posted about it a while back but eveybody just said it’s just how myc gets after a while.

Idk though cuz it doesn’t always happen. Like this picture the myc got all thick after the normal first flush and then just made a few big ones every couple days.



I’ve never seen Burma do the cap thing but I always run one quart spawn to a lot of coir, it could be an over nutrition thing like people say about PE blobs.

What about side or bottom pins, any of those?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26807487 - 07/06/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No because I used a liner. I’m thinking about throwing this tub away... You can get better results with the PF Tek compared to this tub...

That or after the first flush (a whole seven mushrooms!!!!) I’m going to take out the liner, dunk the whole thing substrate for several hours, and put it back in the tub without a liner and see what else can grow.

But this is really pathetic right now, I’m seriously just debating just getting rid of it...

I’m really baffled as to what the fuck is going on and happening.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26807534 - 07/06/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s still pretty early, anything could happen. I’ve never had huge flushes from Burma like some people get and it’s always grown weird for me, but the mushrooms are awesome.


There should be plenty of water in there dunking would probably just over hydrate it. lol you peaked too soon with that aa+ tub having awesome genetics. I bet in a week it’ll be filled in pretty well.

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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26807567 - 07/06/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well what do you recommend I do if these are the only pins I get and they are the only thing that grows during this flush, for a grand total of only 7 mushrooms. You don’t think I need to dunk or rehydrate it all? Just harvest the few mushrooms when it’s time and then mist and see what happens after? What would you do? I feel like maybe I should take the liner off after the sorry first harvest, I would kill for sidepins right now that grow out instead of the few that are growing on the surface now.
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    #26807607 - 07/06/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, probably beginners luck with that... I thought I knew what I was somewhat doing, but I can't figure out what I did or what went wrong and why it's growing stange.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26807664 - 07/06/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No I’d leave everything the same, it looks good. Sometimes ms does weird shit. My first pesa shoebox took over 30 days to pin and grew two tiny shrooms at first. Then it slowly pinned more and more to where I’d harvest four or five normal shrooms everyday, and then finally it had a normal flush.

I would just keep up the conditions until it flushes or molds. Like I said Burma’s always been weird and slow to get going for me so I think that’s probably it.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26809289 - 07/07/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So you're saying I should selectively harvest?

I noticed today it's pinning along the bottom and bottom corners. Wtf, what's the point of the liner when it never works every time I do it...

What would be the best way to harvest this thing then? When the couple mushrooms on top are ready should I at lease take the whole thing out to take the liner off then?


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    #26809481 - 07/07/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Some kinds just like to pin all over, and then imagine how many more there’d be without one. Plus my main reason is it’s way easier to remove the sub and the tub stays clean.

Like I said Burma is one that I’ve always had side and bottom pins like the picture I posted.


Just harvest as they’re ready. Sounds like it’s just gonna take a little bit to get going. You’ll be able to just pull the side pins off when they’re done usually without bothering with the liner.


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    #26809619 - 07/07/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Right, so I mean if it's going to be like this then wouldn't it be better for me to take the liner off so I can create that microclimate between the tub and substrate and start side pinning and take advantage of that? Because I don't know what's up with the top and why it's not growing how it should... Or are you saying these are like premature mushrooms? And the real flush is coming? Or is something like this still considered a flush when I have to prematurely harvest each mushroom one by one?


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