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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26801531 - 07/03/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would leave the lid latched on until someone said different, if it makes you feel better you could unlatch the lid once you see pins. but the more FAE in there the more attention you're going to have to give it moisture wise.
I flipped the lid upside down on 1 of my 3 tubs to see if it makes a difference over the next 3 days. I'll let you know the results. This particular tub hasn't been pictured in my thread or anywhere due to the fact that when I spawned them, the jar used for this tub had green mold in it. But them smell matched that of the other two jars, the mold was barely visible and sparse throughout the jar. I spawned it to see what mold in a shoebox would look like so I could spot it in future grows. Well now the shoebox looks and smells exactly like the others so no cantam as I can tell. It has stayed in a different part of the house the entire grow just in case though.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
#26801616 - 07/03/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah please let me know. Can't do it now but I'll probably just latch the lid down once I get back home later on tonight.
I thought FAE was needed throughout the grow and if you left it latched and locked down it wouldn't receive enough FAE. I was thinking the FAE matters now as evidenced by the fact that it started to pin once I opened the gap for more FAE. I've always seen these pics of mushrooms with too little or no FAE, and they're all deformed, long, skinny, growing in every which way direction.
I was always under the thought and assumption that keeping the lid latched down was basically like suffocating and not good.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26801660 - 07/03/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not on the shoeboxes we use. There is plenty of FAE even when the lid is on.
These two post are what my opinion is based on. The grocery bag would allow a similar amount of FAE in.
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bodhisatta said: at 50-80% colonization, or immediately, put into "fruiting conditions" which is removing the lid and putting a grocery bag with some small holes poked in it over the top
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ShaperDreaming said: As per bod, I also do not differentiate fruiting from colonizing conditions, I set these up into "Growing Conditions" straight at spawn. So what this means is that you want to latch your lid for your shoebox, then set it aside in a place that gets a good 12 hours of light per day. This doesn't have to be super direct, or very strong as long as it is 6500k light (or sunlight), and isn't too far away. "What about Dub-Tubbing or flipping the lid?!" You may ask yourself. Well, stop asking yourself that. This is a TEK designed to be set-and-forget so we do none of this. The only step you should take is that, when the mushrooms are about 24-48 hours from finishing up, you'll want to unlatch the lid.
ShaperDreaming is the person who wrote the tek I linked earlier. Shaper's Shoes
bodhisatta wrote this tek which the first quote is referencing. BOD's Shoeboxes
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: SoupyGeorge]
#26801717 - 07/03/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Right, so in response to BOD’s tek he initiates a grocery bag with holes for FAE early, which is done pretty early hence the 50 to 80 percent colonization. So he’s already providing the FAE way before fruiting begins.
The other says the opposite: provide FAE when the mushroom hits the lid.
So this is the conundrum I am finding myself in. I’m planning on latching it down when I get home. Hopefully it doesn’t turn out to be in the “not enough/no FAE category” looking all fucked up.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26801744 - 07/03/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Half the point of Shaper's shoebox method is that you don't need to touch it until your fruits are almost ready. Most people who do it don't touch it until their fruits are ready. Unless you think there's a really good reason to do otherwise, I would suggest doing like everyone else does.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: dfwerydfhg]
#26801789 - 07/03/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, never heard of Shapers Shoebox until today in the thread. Bod's is also an unmodified-let-it-sit shoebox, you just have to know when to initiate the proper FAE. Next time I'm going to try the Shapers Shoebox tek: making the bulk sub under field capacity, and make sure to spray the entire substrate down when spawning, and then leaving the lid locked. But until then this is what I'm working with and how I ran my other shoebox, which was a very successful AA+ grow.
The only problem I'm encountering is the gap I have now for FAE, whether to increase it (because when I did the other day, all of a sudden a few pins started - but I don't know if it is because of that and is a good sign or if it would of happened regardless), keep my current little gap (how I have it currently) or when I get home just lock and latch the lid down until they grow to the lid and then crack the lid.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26802425 - 07/03/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not really such a definitive thing. You do need fae but those shoe boxes provide a decent amount even with the lid snapped shut. You just have to watch the mushrooms and see what they're liking.
My first cycle with the sterilite I left the lids latched and they looked great until the mushrooms were almost at the top in a couple and a few more were slightly behind. Then I unlatched them, misted, and left the lids cocked a little for like 24 hours so they all blew up real quick to the same size for a total harvest.
Ones I'm doing now they looked stuffy and the myc was getting a little fluffier after 100% so I unlatched the lids and made the stacks a little smaller so there wasn't so much weight pushing on some. They knotted all up and boomed 
I had a little heater blowing more often in the room during the first grow. Less now that it's warmer. I think the shoe box gives a perfect tight area for the canopy effect. If you get them in a close group they hold their humidity and you can up the air and give them a boost
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26803069 - 07/04/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There’s still only the 3 pins from yesterday, waiting for more to fill in so I can take something picture worthy. Weird, when looking back at my last shoebox, this one doesn’t nearly even have the amount of knots and knotting. Maybe that’s why I only have 3 pins.
Looks like there is still a lot of unused real estate space that could of potentially had plenty of knots, especially in the corners, instead it’s just a very white flat covering of mycelium. I wonder if that will break apart and knot up.
I wonder why I didn’t get as many knots this time...? I wonder if I should just chalk it up to every culture, tub, colonization, and grow is always different, or if it has to do with my conditions?
Gave it a couple pumps of mist yesterday to keep the surface beaded. People are telling me to just keep the lid shut which I am also...
Hopefully I’ll have a pin worthy picture for you guys in the next couple of days instead of just these same sorry ass 3 pins...
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26803231 - 07/04/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow that looks bad ass, I hope to achieve a canopy like that some day! Right now I still have the same 3 pins, no sign of anything else. I'm going to take a picture when I have some good pins filling in, but I'm seeing that this box actually doesn't have nearly the amount of knots I had on the last, so maybe I won't even have a lot more pis or mushrooms. A friend on here said that Burma is a very slow colonizer and grow so it could be that also.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26803318 - 07/04/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: It's not really such a definitive thing. You do need fae but those shoe boxes provide a decent amount even with the lid snapped shut. You just have to watch the mushrooms and see what they're liking.
My first cycle with the sterilite I left the lids latched and they looked great until the mushrooms were almost at the top in a couple and a few more were slightly behind. Then I unlatched them, misted, and left the lids cocked a little for like 24 hours so they all blew up real quick to the same size for a total harvest.
Ones I'm doing now they looked stuffy and the myc was getting a little fluffier after 100% so I unlatched the lids and made the stacks a little smaller so there wasn't so much weight pushing on some. They knotted all up and boomed
If you get them in a close group they hold their humidity and you can up the air and give them a boost 
great advice and my experience is like this with unmodded monotubs
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26804264 - 07/04/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weird looking pin, already some mutation right possibly? Looks weird like two separate caps...? Also, these corners aren’t knotting up really for some reason, is there something I should be doing? Or does some stay like that? Why are the corners not knotting?
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26804276 - 07/04/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huh never seen that mutation with Burma before, that’s the typical gt/b+ cap bump.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26804285 - 07/04/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is that, what do you mean by that? Also, do you think my conditions are good are is there something wrong with the corners? They're not knotting up...
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26804771 - 07/05/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this a bad sign of the mushroom? The orange ball on top of the cap?
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26804781 - 07/05/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this orange bump a bad thing? What the heck is that?
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26804796 - 07/05/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’m not sure what’s up with the corners. The cap thing is fine it’s a pretty common mutation.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26804803 - 07/05/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This doesn’t seem like it is going to be a successful grow... It doesn’t seem to be going the way it should be...
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26804810 - 07/05/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol relax man it’s fine. Every grow is different.
This is the last gt I did and it had the least weird caps I’ve seen.

Usually there’s like a third of them with it. Burma has been weird for me, takes forever, pins weird, small, but it’s always been really potent. The guys I give most of mine too always ask when I’m gonna run it again.

The last two pics are my second ever grow, the rest are a clone I kept running. Wish I had more ms pics. Idk why mine are tiny but Burma’s supposed to be known for monsters. Eats got some good pictures.
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26804855 - 07/05/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I understand, but it’s also the corners that have me a little worried. It’s only like the center colonized how it should and knotted and pinned, the corners seem flat and not knotting, worried if it can be a breeding ground for bacteria and/or contamination. Also some of the pins that have that ball are just like falling back over on themselves because that orange thing is making it too top heavy.
These are things I’m experiencing that never happened with my other so I don’t know what to do and if some of these things are signs of something I can do or not... I was under the assumption if there is some other extra growth on top of the caps that it has to do something with my part and the conditions I control and alter...
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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26807413 - 07/06/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really disappointed with how this Burma is turning out. Corners didn’t even really knot up, there’s so much unused real estate, and I only have several pins to show for from 2 quarts of spawn. Don’t understand why so few pins, don’t even have a good pin set filling in or anything. It’s like the center of the tub is the only part that knotted, and even with that I only got 7 pins out of this whole thing. Not sure why the corners didn’t even colonize correctly, don’t know what the hell happened here. Just doesn’t seem right. Very disappointed. Something is up because out of this whole thing I’m going to just be harvesting 7 mushrooms? Something is not right...
Edited by psycho_nauticus (07/06/20 04:32 PM)
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