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Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting?
    #26789529 - 06/28/20 12:56 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

Spawned a shoebox exactly one week ago, and it is a rhizo garden!!! Everything is a all spikey in every direction, going up in the air, and parts are starting to climb the edges of the shoebox. I was just wondering, and if anyone knows, how does the process of knotting occur? What happens when knotting occurs? I know knots are primordia, but I am interested in knowing how the knots occur from something like this? Does very rhizomorphic mycelium start to flatten and overlay the substrate and knots are created?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26789548 - 06/28/20 01:02 PM (9 days, 10 hours ago)

almost sounds like u need more fae pics???


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26790127 - 06/28/20 05:16 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

So the substrate never colonizes rhizmorphically with rhizomorphs? Should I already be knotting?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26791446 - 06/29/20 08:25 AM (8 days, 15 hours ago)

Is it bad that I have rhizomorphic colonization with rhizomorphs and hyphae? Should my substrate not be colonizing rhizomorphically? Should I already be knotting or something?

I cracked my lid more then...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791453 - 06/29/20 08:35 AM (8 days, 15 hours ago)

No one can tell you much without a picture but “spikey” usually isn’t a good sign.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791462 - 06/29/20 08:43 AM (8 days, 15 hours ago)

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going up in the air, and parts are starting to climb the edges of the shoebox.




That doesn't sound good.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791529 - 06/29/20 09:30 AM (8 days, 14 hours ago)

I mean it’s not climbing out of sides of the shoebox or anything, the surface is very rhizo with some rhizomorphs spiking up from the substrate. I can’t take a picture until I’m back home. I never knew rhizomorphic colonization of your substrate was a problem...? But I cracked my lid more now for more FAE, so hopefully my substrate doesn’t dry out now. I never knew this was a bad thing, if anything I thought it was a good thing and good sign of colonization...? So now I’m confused. Maybe it could be because I compressed the substrate this time? And if you think it’s from FAE well I cracked the lid more now, so there is a gap all round the lid plus it’s sitting on top of the latches, so I feel like it should have  sufficient gas exchange all the way around. Does more FAE start to cause knotting?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791573 - 06/29/20 09:58 AM (8 days, 14 hours ago)

I don't know much about 'spikes'... someone else with experience with this?


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791579 - 06/29/20 10:04 AM (8 days, 13 hours ago)

I think it’s fine, especially with the pictures I saw a few days ago.

From what I’ve seen with rhizo myc the little spikes or fingers will suck back down into knots once it starts fruiting.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26791580 - 06/29/20 10:05 AM (8 days, 13 hours ago)

excellent!  thanks for that big step in learning!


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26791751 - 06/29/20 12:00 PM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

Without pics it's hard to tell, but if it's climbing up the sides, it may be reaching out for more oxygen. Either way, it probably won't cause any problems when it starts to develop fruits, if anything all the aerial mycelium might help to trap the moisture :grin: Good luck :smile:


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AlexHoratio]
    #26791764 - 06/29/20 12:08 PM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

don't know about all that  :goodmorning:


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26791773 - 06/29/20 12:13 PM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

Now I need to lower my FAE back down when I get home. I left it more cracked than I usually do, now I’m worried my substrate is fucking drying out now.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26791782 - 06/29/20 12:15 PM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

just leave the goddam lid on and unlatched for the whole duration of consolidation... works great!


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26792261 - 06/29/20 04:28 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

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Now I need to lower my FAE back down when I get home. I left it more cracked than I usually do, now I’m worried my substrate is fucking drying out now.



Just take a deep breath pal everything is fine.
Until it's not. Lmao.
A little extra fae doesn't hurt you can just put the lid back how you keep it when you get home and moisture will redistribute. If it does get extra dry you can lightly mist it but I'm guessing this wo t be necessary.
From the pics you sent me it looks fine.
I'd just leave it be and wait until you get knots in a couple weeks then increase FAE.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26792386 - 06/29/20 05:12 PM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

Here you go, some pictures today, one week since spawning.



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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26794120 - 06/30/20 11:45 AM (7 days, 12 hours ago)

That's what I've been doing, leaving it unlatched with the lid on top so the gap is providing FAE. I was reading and following your advice of doesn't sound good and more FAE! Now it's leave it alone.

I'll leave it be. Once it starts knotting I'll change and mess with my FAE to increase it.

Couldn't it just be that it's colonizing very rhizomorphically and hyphae are reaching out from the surface on the sides of the tub because it's a common thing and a sign of a good very strong culture? It doesn't always seem to indicate something must be wrong...


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26794171 - 06/30/20 12:12 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

They look ok to me. I’ve seen some that look real gross with the fingers sticking up everywhere and no normal kinda fuzzy looking myc in between. You’re seem like an okay mix of the two.

I’ve never had any myc doing that though so I don’t know if the knots will form in crevices and the little fingers will just hang out or what. I have had some “fans” of rhizo myc that pop to the surface from the side of the tub and it will have like 4-5 thicker fingers that each knot up at the tips once they reach the surface. I didn’t get a pic of it exactly but this top one put out some at the tips of the fans you can see.


Just wait and see I guess and take pictures when they first start forming knots if you can. I’m interested to see what it does.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26794193 - 06/30/20 12:23 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

Also using a top layer makes the myc look a lot different.


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Re: Process of rhizomorphic mycelium to knotting? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26794200 - 06/30/20 12:25 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

Yeah that's what I have if you notice, "fans" as you called it, especially around the edge. I was trying to learn more about the process of how these knot, but it seems like what will happen is they can shrink back down to create knots, or the tips will become knots like you experienced. Now the ones that go higher up I'm not sure, maybe they will hang out as fruiting begins, go away, shrink, not sure. I already put a slight casing top layer whenever I spawned it of some left over bulk substrate on top of the whole thing, so it seems to of even surpassed the surface. We'll see. I was just caught off guard when describing and asking about knotting, and then I started getting all these responses of "not good"...


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