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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Mycobro420]
#26789078 - 06/28/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I may add another point, while it’s true that syringes are often not axenic enough to go directly to grain, something else to consider is the grain bag itself. Large bags of grain take far longer to sterilize than quart size jars of grain. In addition to needing much longer for the heat to penetrate that volume of grain, big grain bags are also at risk for things like:
Drying out Going anaerobic Developing pinholes Generating too much heat
It’s my opinion that large bags of grain are an advanced tool meant to be used by experienced people for the best returns. Those who do find success with bags often use large amounts of live culture to capture the media quick as possible. That is where agar comes in. But even using agar one can find themselves struggling to make bags work consistently. They are an advanced tool, not a shortcut for noobs.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26789099 - 06/28/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Syringe to grain is heavily dependent on who made them imo. I got four syringes from the same place mentioned earlier and did 25-30 jars and never lost one.
But then other people seem to do everything right and get only mold with syringes from different places.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Mycobro420]
#26789113 - 06/28/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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not. reliable. at ALL.
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Pastywhyte said: But even using agar one can find themselves struggling to make bags work consistently. They are an advanced tool, not a shortcut for noobs.
I thought so. seems advanced... I'm still on jars
Edited by AtmozFear (06/28/20 08:05 AM)
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26789193 - 06/28/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said: If I may add another point, while it’s true that syringes are often not axenic enough to go directly to grain, something else to consider is the grain bag itself. Large bags of grain take far longer to sterilize than quart size jars of grain. In addition to needing much longer for the heat to penetrate that volume of grain, big grain bags are also at risk for things like:
Drying out Going anaerobic Developing pinholes Generating too much heat
It’s my opinion that large bags of grain are an advanced tool meant to be used by experienced people for the best returns. Those who do find success with bags often use large amounts of live culture to capture the media quick as possible. That is where agar comes in. But even using agar one can find themselves struggling to make bags work consistently. They are an advanced tool, not a shortcut for noobs.
First off.... hey, buddy! 
2nd.... are you saying that ppl who use bags use a lot of innoculant?
My typical sesh; i expand 2 master jars into 36 bags. It really doesnt take much inoculant. With a shake or two, here and there, my bags are typically ready in about 2 weeks, give or take a couple days. As long as my work is clean; i find using too much innoculant to be a waste. It doenst shave off that much time unless you use a lot. Giving the bags a shake a few days after knocking them up @ about 5-10% helps a lot. And then a 2nd break up and recovery about 10 days after inoculation. Helps them finish faster and also lets you know if they're not right, if they dont recover properly.
My current failure rate on spawn bags is prolly about 1% or less.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: LotKid]
#26789215 - 06/28/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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All I know is in my experience if a bag takes two weeks to finish it’s often not a good result. I’ve never been able to run at the minimum recommend times for anything. Bags were a bit tricky for me to master. I needed a lot of inoculate and a fast run if I wanted to be sure of the outcome.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26789222 - 06/28/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited last post.
Hope you've been well, pasty!
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But yeah... my bags typically go 2 weeks. And out of 100's i'm losing a small handful here and there.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: LotKid]
#26789263 - 06/28/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’ve never been able to get away with some things. Another issue I deal with is bags literally drying out. Even a T filtered bag would get a ton of dry grains on the top after 14 days. It’s even been an issue in grain jars albeit far less. Only solution I’ve found is speed.
I even stopped trying to G2G bags. I would make up a bunch of my EzLCs and let them get really thick. Then pour them right into the bag. Usually was about 250 ml of what was basically pure mycelium slurry. Would often seen recovery in 12 hours and full colonization in 5 days. Is the only way I do em anymore.
Not saying my way is the only way. But it’s what works best for me.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26789617 - 06/28/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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IME... when there's dry grains on top it's due to grains being underhydrated. I was having that issue for a lil. And i've seen underhydration cause lack luster performance as far as growth. Slow and weak. Then i got my hydration back on point and bags fully colonize for me again. Strong quick growth.
I stopped worrying about the amount of burst grains and started focusing on overall water content and bye bye dry top grains and slow growth.
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Re: I shaked my bags and its not colonizing?! [Re: LotKid]
#26789647 - 06/28/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I’m pretty sure the grains are perfectly hydrated. I just live in a very dry place. Seriously I never understood the point of coasters until I travelled a bit.
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