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#26787760 - 06/27/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm as far from a republican as humanly possible and I gotta tell you, people who cross Hillary tend to get crossed out a lot.
I don't know if there is a genuine connection but I totally see where the comment "killary" comes from.
There are no good candidates on either side and the third party never wins. The same lobby groups sponsor both sides.
You guys are screwed.
The COVID situation was epically bungled though. I like to think not any previous president would have bungled it as badly, don't know about the next though. You guys literally have a third world graph because the prez said "enough already its costing money, lets pay in lives instead"
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Ohio is also not accurately reporting their data either.
https://jmscudder.github.io/COVID/
thankfully data scientists are stepping up.
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#26787831 - 06/27/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean, Hillary has been a politician for literally multiple decades, and not a minor one at that, including a first lady of a president involved in a scandal. Think of the thousands, the tens of thousands, probably more, of allies and enemies, she's met with directly, plus the allies and enemies of those allies and enemies.
Couple this with America, a country with more guns than people, with a mental health crisis, and a political party all too happy to stop to lies and conspiracy theories, with a base all too happy to eat it up like candy and embellish it... of course a few of her enemies are dead by violence. I'd be shocked if they weren't. Its freaking america. We have a new mass shooting like every day, for crying out loud.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Psion]
#26787846 - 06/27/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Well the other choice was killary
for me making chicken salad is 15-20 euros when made by self with 800g of meat I hope that this is what drives more people to cultivating theyr own food.
Not nice situation there. I really hope that this is something that breaks your goverment but unites and wakes up the people.
You say Hillary like she was a worse option than trump. When we have a verified roughly 120,000 Americans dead, probably over double that so far, and no end in sight... and that's just America. And that's just one. Single. Crime. We can lay at this abomination of an administration. Hillary Clinton's worst crime was allowing the Republicans to successfully smear her campaign to mud, the worst thing that can happen for a job that requires charisma.
Oh yeah, the worst crime? Really? Serious about that comment ? Well She is called to testify on september. We can continue this after that.
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lol literally every single person in office right now has done what hillary clinton was accused of - which is improper email use.
Such bullshit. The day anyone gives a single solitary fuck about cyber security for real in this country is the day I will...idk..do something in celebration. Hilldawg is old news anyway, it doesn't really mean anything that anyone's called to testify(where btw? was it a congressional hearing?). Happens all the time. Most of the time it's just political theatre and posturing, rarely will anything substantial come out of it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante] 1
#26788125 - 06/27/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/coronavirus-scientists-health-problems/
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Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.
Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.
“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.
In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes, and extreme inflammation that attacks multiple organ systems
I'm pretty much 100% sure now that my mother had COVID and is now being slammed by the after-effects. The doctors have suspected it since the beginning but they still don't trust the antibody tests enough to bother.
She's always been in pretty much perfect health and even played soccer weekly. End of February she had to stop playing because she couldn't catch her breath even after just a few minutes, then right afterwards she had what she thought was the flu for 2 weeks.
Fast forward to today, she's had her kidneys stinted, a liter of fluid (non-malignant, fortunately) removed from her lungs, inflammed tissue surrounding her pancreas, and she'll be getting her liver stinted next week because the bile duct is clogged and she's getting jaundiced. She's lost 30+ lbs and does not look good right now.
It's fucked, they have no idea how to treat it. It's like playing whack-a-mole, every time they go in and fix one thing they find another problem.
The weirdest thing was that even with over a liter of fluid in her lungs and massive systemic inflammation affecting half her organs, she felt perfectly fine exect for not being able to eat and really bad stomach cramps. They also found a mass on her small intestine that doesn't seem like cancer but they're doing a biopsy for.
A vaccine for this thing can't come quick enough. The immediate death toll is going to be horrific enough, but we might be looking at some truly catastrophic long-term health damage for who knows how many people. Hospitals are already seeing it constantly and we're supposedly not even at a 5% infection rate for the country yet.
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I am so fucking sorry, I hope she starts doing better asap . Is it post viral inflammation that's doing all this, you think?
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#26788140 - 06/27/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's horrible feevers. Just reading that makes me feel bad for going to the store more than i need.
And then I heard on the news today somewhere, that politicians are saying that " the numbers are so high, because there was a corona virus test dump, and that the numbers aren't actually that high"
I mean get real. Making this political is as low as it can get. And to say the reason the numbers are high is because there is more testing? What a load of crap.
Really pisses me off, especially after reading your post about your mom feevers. That scares the heck out of me.
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pirate-blues said: I am so fucking sorry, I hope she starts doing better asap . Is it post viral inflammation that's doing all this, you think?
Thansk guys, right now it's still the diagnostic phase so really no clue. It's been getting progressively worse, but does seem to be stemming from the inflammation. There's iflammation and fluid around her pancreas that they think is what's blocking off her kidneys and liver from flowing. The fluid in her lungs is a mystery, she may have had pneumonia with the COVID and since her system is so backed up the lungs never drained.
Idk... an oncologist is doing the biospies on her pancreas and the mass on her small intestine but it really doesn't seem like cancer. Her lymph nodes are fine and WBC counts are normal. It's also possible that the mass on her intestine is unrelated, should know a lot more when the biopsy results come back.
It's just rough dealing with something that it seems like the doctore are seeing for the first time. The timing is the one thing she has going for her, they just started reopening non-covid stuff at hospitals and hopefully she can get things figured out before the next wave hits here.
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Yeah, I feel you on that rush to get your family out of the hospital for the second wave. It's very stressful. You hang in there and hang on. Take it one day at a time.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26788171 - 06/27/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My news feed is giving me stories about antibodies and almost certain immunity that comes with it right next to stories that say you’re probably only immune for a few weeks and then you can get it all over again. I read an article that says it attacks people’s immune system like HIV. I read that a vaccine is probably coming soon and others that it may not come at all. I read that the mutations make it less virulent and some say it’s mutating into something worse. I guess both can be happening at the same time. I read so far there’s no vaccine for any coronavirus.
I’m a pessimistic person and I’m thinking people are going to keep getting it over and over again and it’s going to shorten life expectancy world wide for a long time. I also think China knows shit we don’t know. Super scary shit. And without evidence or any scientific reason at all I think it was built in a lab. I’m not saying like I believe that deeply or whatever but just my gut thinks so.
OK There’s all my cray cray lol
Sorry people - obviously I don’t know shit except I think it’s really bad
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"Where is the information I can trust"
We are all in the same murky dangerous soup bud.
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TheFakeSunRa said: My news feed is giving me stories about antibodies and almost certain immunity that comes with it right next to stories that say you’re probably only immune for a few weeks and then you can get it all over again. I read an article that says it attacks people’s immune system like HIV. I read that a vaccine is probably coming soon and others that it may not come at all. I read that the mutations make it less virulent and some say it’s mutating into something worse. I guess both can be happening at the same time. I read so far there’s no vaccine for any coronavirus.
Same. I've heard all that and even more flip flop information on even further subjects like the use of masks, or how long it survives on surfaces, or how 6 feet is enough but some say it has to be 10.
I mean can we PLEASE get some actual non flip flop information?
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#26788542 - 06/27/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am really sorry to hear about your mom, and hope that she gets past this. that is some really scary stuff. good vibes your way and towards your family!
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TheFakeSunRa said: My news feed is giving me stories about antibodies and almost certain immunity that comes with it right next to stories that say you’re probably only immune for a few weeks and then you can get it all over again. I read an article that says it attacks people’s immune system like HIV. I read that a vaccine is probably coming soon and others that it may not come at all. I read that the mutations make it less virulent and some say it’s mutating into something worse. I guess both can be happening at the same time. I read so far there’s no vaccine for any coronavirus.
I’m a pessimistic person and I’m thinking people are going to keep getting it over and over again and it’s going to shorten life expectancy world wide for a long time. I also think China knows shit we don’t know. Super scary shit. And without evidence or any scientific reason at all I think it was built in a lab. I’m not saying like I believe that deeply or whatever but just my gut thinks so.
OK There’s all my cray cray lol
Sorry people - obviously I don’t know shit except I think it’s really bad
I dont think its anything to be sorry about. There is an obvious lack of information, either being disseminated to us by officials, or between those entities. I guess even Fauci went on the news recently and said he straight up lied to the public about facemasks being helpful back in March, because he needed them available to hospitals. So yeah who can we really trust as a source of information, thus we reason with information the best we can.
I too believe that this was unintentionally released from the level4 lab in Wuhan. There is not a lot of evidence on either side of the argument, but most of it lies on that side. The facility in question already had a pretty shitty reputation for poor procedure, and there is no trace of this particular virus in nature that leads to origins in Wuhan, where it is widely accepted that it all started. I also hope that there are lasting antibodies, even trace ones that allow the body to quickly jump back in action against this virus.
Lastly, the argument that this is election year, and that you should never let a good pandemic go to waste, is viable.
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#26788563 - 06/28/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The argument that this is election year, and that you should never let a good pandemic go to waste, is viable.
That argument is Not viable unless it's a massive worldwide conspiracy at the "Secret Society level. "
That is, a political argument basically stating that China releasing the virus, the George Floyd Murder, the Ahmad Arbery Murder, The massive gatherings of people even with CovidRona on the rampant an the flood of tests and all the political jerk game were all correlated by some "secret society" to have an impact on mass civilization?
Right? Is that close to what you meant by making this political? That all this would amount to certain leaders being elected again and was sort of "planned?"?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Fiery]
#26788633 - 06/28/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not necessarily that this was all designed. But rather manipulated to help entities (left, right, fed, insert authority here), maximize the opportunity that a pandemic of this scale would present. Add further exacerbation of Floyd, TinFoil hat rabbit holes, etc. You think there isnt a thing someone with a team 100x smarter than the average person and with massive resources wouldnt use to set themselves up for further success?
You think that has never happened before? Do you really think authorities have Your individual needs at the top of their list of priorities? I guess thats what makes the argument viable...
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ManianFH]
#26788656 - 06/28/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah. thats why we look for this thing called "evidence".
the proof, my dear, is in the pudding. we have enough on our plates already to serve a veritable feast of just desserts without imagining up any more concoctions of sugary bullshit.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ManianFH]
#26788677 - 06/28/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mick said: Not necessarily that this was all designed. But rather manipulated to help entities (left, right, fed, insert authority here), maximize the opportunity that a pandemic of this scale would present. Add further exacerbation of Floyd, TinFoil hat rabbit holes, etc. You think there isnt a thing someone with a team 100x smarter than the average person and with massive resources wouldnt use to set themselves up for further success?
You think that has never happened before? Do you really think authorities have Your individual needs at the top of their list of priorities? I guess thats what makes the argument viable...
Yes actually thanks for informing me of that! Very viable.
But that goes way beyond political to otherworldly. Because rich people have found ways to live in a perpetual state of massive resources and wealth and are not always rich in spirit as they are in coin.
And the best thing to be would be the poorest person on earth, rather than the richest.
I guess what we are talking about goes beyond political, unless being political is some sort of secret meaning about the way you live your life as a type of person.
This directly correlates in the way some of the 7 billion lives on earth on earth are doing the opposite of what a "real protester" should do: and that is to STAY AT HOME. Don't go out and needlesly put your lives at a risk for a cause.
The cause you rioters are saying this that it's for " to end police brutality, eff the police, etc and other causes too of course, but none have been stated other than "lives matter"
What all you protesters are forgetting is that you are putting millions of peoples lives at stake, people like feevers mother, and 200,000 others with horrible horror story actions during a real and dangerous threat, and doing it in the name of another "threat" that you see " the police" but at the same time putting thousands of peoples mothers and fathers into terrible deaths.
I want to think about that the next time I think about going for a short store run or un-needed grocery store visit or social closeness.
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