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Panaeolus bisporus?
    #26787761 - 06/27/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hello shroomery. Found these in a well maintained lawn here in Pittsburgh area. Typical pan looking lbm reddish stems,no blueing when picked but few hours later was evident. Black spore print.



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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26787769 - 06/27/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So you spore printed all of them?


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26787790 - 06/27/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So you spore printed all of them?



Other than maybe 7 of them yes


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26787795 - 06/27/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Then other than those seven you can consider them active lawn pans.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26787812 - 06/27/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes definitely active. Just very different looking than the usual Pan Cincts I'm used to finding


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26787839 - 06/27/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That second pic is highly interesting.  Were any others blueing like that?


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26787927 - 06/27/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That third pic is highly interesting.  Were any others blueing like that?



Yes quite a bit actually. I should've stated that there were some differences in some. The wrinkled caps ones in 3rd pic were definitely not what I'm used to. Those blued more than others for sure


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26788009 - 06/27/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Damn man, those almost look like cyanescens! I know they arent but that's a crazy amount of blue for a yard pan! Nice find Avid!


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26788076 - 06/27/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Damn man, those almost look like cyanescens! I know they arent but that's a crazy amount of blue for a yard pan! Nice find Avid!



Thanks:smile:  I'm wondering if it's Panaeolus olivaceus.Im not too familiar with pan species so my guess is nothing affirming.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26788201 - 06/27/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’d say more along the lines of Panaeolus Bisporus.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26788213 - 06/27/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’d say more along the lines of Panaeolus Bisporus.



I wasn't even aware they grew or any have been found in Pennsylvania. It would be nice to have someone with the knowledge and resources to maybe examine these.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26788240 - 06/27/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

They have the same range as cinctulus, and they occasionally grow in lawns.  They are also rather rare.  We should wait for a TI to chime in on this one.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26788340 - 06/27/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a few more that are in question



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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26795311 - 06/30/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Any opinions?


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26796553 - 07/01/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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They have the same range as cinctulus, and they occasionally grow in lawns.  They are also rather rare.  We should wait for a TI to chime in on this one.




Panaeolus bisporus certainly does not have the same range as cinctulus. But this is panaeolus cinctulus. They're quite dry so the marginal band is gone. Nice find!


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26796608 - 07/01/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m not so certain on this one.  Cints dont blue like that, IMO.

Panaeolus Bisporus have been found in Washington state so Pennsylvania wouldn't be much of a stretch.  They also exhibit the same banding as cinctulus.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26796688 - 07/01/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm... Do you have a link to the find in Washington? It's sounds wierd that it should've been found that far north. Still, Washington has a milder climate. I guess it's possible, though. Yet unlikely.
I've seen cinctulus bluing like that, but it's very rare. The bluing was also very slow, bisporus would likely bruise much faster. Another feature pointing towards cinctulus is the stem. Fibrous and twisting. Have another good look at the first photo. You've picked a lot of cinctulus, you'll see it :wink:


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26796699 - 07/01/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmm... Do you have a link to the find in Washington? It's sounds wierd that it should've been found that far north. Still, Washington has a milder climate. I guess it's possible, though. Yet unlikely.
I've seen cinctulus bluing like that, but it's very rare. The bluing was also very slow, bisporus would likely bruise much faster. Another feature pointing towards cinctulus is the stem. Fibrous and twisting. Have another good look at the first photo. You've picked a lot of cinctulus, you'll see it :wink:



Ya, I do.  It’s a great thread too.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15937316#15937316

I want to find these things some day.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26796738 - 07/01/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Cool man!
The stems on his bisporus aren't nearly as fibrous as these ones, still pretty sure they're cinctulus, but I'm a bit more open to the possibility of them being bisporus..
Yeah man, would love to find some of them!


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26799347 - 07/02/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That second pic is highly interesting.  Were any others blueing like that?



I agree,  that's some heavy bluing for a lawn Pan.


I am currently studying the Genus Panaeolus with emphasis on lawn Panaeolus such as cinctulus, foenisecii, olivaceus etc.  Would you be willing to send me 2-3 specimens and a spore print for study?


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26799701 - 07/02/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the input everyone. This one has me curious.
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That second pic is highly interesting.  Were any others blueing like that?



I agree,  that's some heavy bluing for a lawn Pan.


I am currently studying the Genus Panaeolus with emphasis on lawn Panaeolus such as cinctulus, foenisecii, olivaceus etc.  Would you be willing to send me 2-3 specimens and a spore print for study?



Sure thing Doc,Pm me.If anyone is interested in a print or fragment to study I have a few.


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Re: Active Pans? [Re: avidpicker]
    #26801315 - 07/03/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

sent, thank.


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