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DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences?
    #26785829 - 06/26/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The psychedelic experiences that have given me the greatest lessons and greatest change in perspective, for the positive, have been the peaks of strong trips. The peak of a two tab acid trip, the peak of a heroic mushroom trip, etc. I don't usually do psychedelics now because it requires a whole day and will usually require me to include some of my friends. I can obviously do it alone, but I'm not in the right place to have an extended experience while alone- more than likely I will hear people move around in my house and somebody will be looking for me at some point during the day.

DMT seems to solve this by being 'the businessman's trip'. Only 15 minutes of peak psychedelia. What I'm wondering is: can this replace the role of longer lasting psychedelics if all I'm really after is the peak effects? Or is it mostly useless without the slow rise that acclimates the mind to the new perspective? My fear with DMT is that it will simply be too intense, and too fast. This makes me think that mushrooms or LSD should just be used and taken in an optimal setting. DMT seems a little 'handier' however, because if it can indeed create a meaningful peak psychedelic experience for just a half hour or so then it would be much easier to plan, integrate, and enjoy than long lasting psychedelics. However, part of me realizes nothing is free in life and any meaningful experience from DMT would require perhaps even more effort and time than LSD and mushrooms because of the sheer intensity of the experience condensed into however many minutes. A more 'pick your poison' outlook.

I'm curious what your relationship with DMT has been. Has it given you anything valuable, something that you might have to take a lot of acid or a lot of mushrooms to get? Let me know. I'm remembering how peak psychedelia has impacted me positively and negatively, and I'm trying to figure out if DMT is a logical next step for what I'm looking for or if I should play around more with the longer lasting psychedelics before getting back into it.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: jdawg333]
    #26785879 - 06/26/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

"However, part of me realizes nothing is free in life and any meaningful experience from DMT would require perhaps even more effort and time than LSD and mushrooms because of the sheer intensity of the experience condensed into however many minutes. A more 'pick your poison' outlook."

Well if ever you were ready.
This is an open eye approach for sure.


My journey sounds similar to yours except I'm post your next potential step.

For me mushrooms gave me answers to questions I didn't know I needed and wholly benefited myself and I like to think those around me.
I will always go back to mushrooms at stages I think.

Acid gave me some clarity and non guilty pleasure but im getting to old for that.
after my next 10 strip runs out,)

Now Dmt like you say is the  next "logical,)" step and I suppose you're right.
The profundity, complexity and speed of the experience for me unlike mushrooms left many many more questions than answers..perhaps a little closer to truth.
The experiences for me after a progression seemingly like your own, were ones of bliss and wonderment almost every time.
I don't regret taking the rides.

Upon reflection they all give weight and bearing to each other which you mentioned in your above post and all have their place.
I think with your attitude you will be fine whatever direction you choose to go.:thumbup:


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: pineninja]
    #26786218 - 06/27/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My pet monkey has had maybe 20-30 DMT trips, the majority of them high intensity - once you get into the 30-35mg range, it's hard to go back. He has also done the extractions himself, which, in his opinion, is an integral part of the process and allows you to fully appreciate the experience because it is earned.

That being said, no enormous insight, or should I say, "practical knowledge" has ever come from a DMT experience. It's an incredible experience for sure, and the feelings of physical rejuvenation you achieve from it are very therapeutic, but you don't necessarily reach the same conclusions that you would from mushrooms or Ayahuasca - "I need to get my life together, I need to stop doing drugs, I need to start eating healthy/exercising, I need to start having more open, functional relationships with people, etc." Everyone is different, of course.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: jdawg333]
    #26786263 - 06/27/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's apples to oranges IMO. DMT is a very different drug from psilocybin which is very different from LSD. Even the other closely related tryptamines are different from mushrooms, same with the other lysergamides and LSD.

I think maybe what you really need is just more privacy and alone time in your life.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: nooneman]
    #26786392 - 06/27/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Smoked dmt never did it for me. Way too frantic and chaotic to gain much out of it, ime.

Oral dmt on the other hand has sometimes been a deeper and more profound trip than any high mushroom dose.
I think dmt is meant to be taken orally. It's the classic way to take it. Even where these plants grow naturally, ayahuasca is considered the real thing, mushrooms are just an additive to the brew.

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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26786639 - 06/27/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you wanna smoke DMT, Changa seems to be the more applicable way to go about it, heavy Harmala Changa that is, or taking the Harmalas orally and then smoking DMT about an hour or two into it. Other than that, oral DMT is the better way to go about it imo, and duration depends on the dosages, primarily of the Harmalas but also of the DMT. But i say give the Changa a try, or Changa/vaped DMT on top of oral Harmalas, maybe even sublingual Harmalas, and see how that goes. The Harmalas truly make a huge difference in the overall quality of the experience and the teachings and insights you get from both the Harmalas and the DMT.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26786815 - 06/27/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

One of the biggest revelations about Anahuasca for me, usually manifests right around the time the DMT itself wears off, as one suddenly realizes that much of the therapeutic heavy lifting was a result of the Harmalas and not DMT itself. To be sure it is the combination itself which is important but the Harmalas are more significant therapeutically IMO.

The only thing about Aya is that it lacks the recreational value of mushrooms or LSD. I have always wondered if this is just my mindset going in (and its something I could change) but I have never really been able to enjoy an Aya trip if I just wanted to watch TV, wank myself silly, or just have fun with friends/girlfriends/wife.

It seemed to me, to look upon almost everything, except horizontal surrender, as an insult to the lesson (let go) it was trying to impart (and the lessons that would follow if I followed this lesson) and anyone trying to avoid these lessons being worthy of punishment, as if they were always saying 'focus on us' coward!

It is IMO not only the quintessential psychedelic experience but also Buddhist experience, because no other is quite as effective at teaching one to surrender everything to the experience.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: jdawg333] * 2
    #26786883 - 06/27/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

IME, no......though ROA is important. Ayahuasca, or pharmahuasca, can definitely do the trick. But vaping DMT is a totally different thing. I’ve never learned about myself or experienced growth from vaping DMT. It’s a rapid overload of psychedelic information, and then it’s over. Wild visions, entities, cosmic love , etc.....but when it fades it leaves awe & wonder....but otherwise unchanged.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: wolf8312]
    #26786910 - 06/27/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:
One of the biggest revelations about Anahuasca for me, usually manifests right around the time the DMT itself wears off, as one suddenly realizes that much of the therapeutic heavy lifting was a result of the Harmalas and not DMT itself. To be sure it is the combination itself which is important but the Harmalas are more significant therapeutically IMO.

The only thing about Aya is that it lacks the recreational value of mushrooms or LSD. I have always wondered if this is just my mindset going in (and its something I could change) but I have never really been able to enjoy an Aya trip if I just wanted to watch TV, wank myself silly, or just have fun with friends/girlfriends/wife.

It seemed to me, to look upon almost everything, except horizontal surrender, as an insult to the lesson (let go) it was trying to impart (and the lessons that would follow if I followed this lesson) and anyone trying to avoid these lessons being worthy of punishment, as if they were always saying 'focus on us' coward!

It is IMO not only the quintessential psychedelic experience but also Buddhist experience, because no other is quite as effective at teaching one to surrender everything to the experience.




Yeah Aya isn't particularly recreational, you can't do on it what you can do with mushrooms or LSD. However, once the come up passes, you can watch things or get up and move around and do things, talk to people, dance, etc. But as it's kicking in, you can't do much else but sit there and surrender to it and go through the process. Once the peak hits though, you have more wiggle room to do what you want, at least ime. But if you take a super heavy dosage, i don't think you'd be able to do much but be fully immersed within yourself and the experience.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26787067 - 06/27/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:
One of the biggest revelations about Anahuasca for me, usually manifests right around the time the DMT itself wears off, as one suddenly realizes that much of the therapeutic heavy lifting was a result of the Harmalas and not DMT itself. To be sure it is the combination itself which is important but the Harmalas are more significant therapeutically IMO.

The only thing about Aya is that it lacks the recreational value of mushrooms or LSD. I have always wondered if this is just my mindset going in (and its something I could change) but I have never really been able to enjoy an Aya trip if I just wanted to watch TV, wank myself silly, or just have fun with friends/girlfriends/wife.

It seemed to me, to look upon almost everything, except horizontal surrender, as an insult to the lesson (let go) it was trying to impart (and the lessons that would follow if I followed this lesson) and anyone trying to avoid these lessons being worthy of punishment, as if they were always saying 'focus on us' coward!

It is IMO not only the quintessential psychedelic experience but also Buddhist experience, because no other is quite as effective at teaching one to surrender everything to the experience.




Yeah Aya isn't particularly recreational, you can't do on it what you can do with mushrooms or LSD. However, once the come up passes, you can watch things or get up and move around and do things, talk to people, dance, etc. But as it's kicking in, you can't do much else but sit there and surrender to it and go through the process. Once the peak hits though, you have more wiggle room to do what you want, at least ime. But if you take a super heavy dosage, i don't think you'd be able to do much but be fully immersed within yourself and the experience.




Yeah, that's the thing. After I have peaked I am way too immersed in that which I was reluctant or afraid to face before peaking and coming up, so by that point I am quite happy where I am, no longer afraid, and truly fascinated by what is happening. By then I wouldn't even be thinking about trading the spirit realm for a TV program!

Mushrooms are similar in that regard (though there is more leeway) and LSD/HBWR/Mescaline well one kind of needs TV or something eventually, after all the eye candy begins to lose its allure.


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Re: DMT question: can it replace 'high dose' experiences? [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #26787563 - 06/27/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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IME, no......though ROA is important. Ayahuasca, or pharmahuasca, can definitely do the trick. But vaping DMT is a totally different thing. I’ve never learned about myself or experienced growth from vaping DMT. It’s a rapid overload of psychedelic information, and then it’s over. Wild visions, entities, cosmic love , etc.....but when it fades it leaves awe & wonder....but otherwise unchanged.




Agree here. It's an incredible experience, but I couldn't say it really changes anything long term. Still valuable and therapeutic purely for the rejuvenating effect though, but you're not going to gain a ton of insight.


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