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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods] * 1
    #26792277 - 06/29/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So why’d he put millions of lives in jeapordy by going on tv and telling the American public that masks were unnecessary?




Did you listen to the interview? All his recommendations started with “right now”

Facts change. Recommendations change. People can be wrong.




Like fal said, nations like Japan have known for years that wearing masks prevent the spread of airborne viruses. Hell, anyone who’s seen the movie Outbreak knows this. But you expect us to believe that the director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases for 40 years didn’t know that until recently? Or that somehow the facts about airborne viruses suddenly changed? Come on man.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26792279 - 06/29/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Fauci recently has pleaded with people to use masks and practice social distancing. You jumped on a quote without taking into account all the other times he said to wear masks.



I did take his later quotes into account.  That was the whole premise of this discussion.  First, he said it's not necessary.  Then when the mask shortage was over, he pleaded with people to start using them.

Again, I understand his reasoning for this, but let's not pretend he wasn't misleading people.

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Also I don't need fauci to find out masks will save lives, firstly that's common sense, secondly other countries don't even have this debate and are doing much better then the US and third learning basic science of infectious diseases and impact covid is having through listening to ER doctors,nurses,epidemiologists and real experts from across the world it's crystal fucking clear masks reduce the amount of suffering we go through,slows down the infection rate and subsequently the death rate  . While people rally against masks,trying to find ways to discredit them or pontificate about them people are dying. More people then is nessicary.



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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792280 - 06/29/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It wasn’t just Fauci either but it’s pretty clear the liberal worship of him in the past month or so is directly related to his antagonistic relationship with Trump.




You’re seriously delusional. Was his popularity during the Ebola scare due to Donald trump? And what antagonistic relationship? Fauci hasn’t criticized trump at all. You’re making shit up.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792312 - 06/29/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So why’d he put millions of lives in jeapordy by going on tv and telling the American public that masks were unnecessary?




Did you listen to the interview? All his recommendations started with “right now”

Facts change. Recommendations change. People can be wrong.




Like fal said, nations like Japan have known for years that wearing masks prevent the spread of airborne viruses. Hell, anyone who’s seen the movie Outbreak knows this. But you expect us to believe that the director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases for 40 years didn’t know that until recently? Or that somehow the facts about airborne viruses suddenly changed? Come on man.




And he didn’t think it was necessary for the general public to wear masks back when there were very few cases and the masks were in short supply. What is so hard to understand?

And the science on non medical masks (Face coverings) was very lacking until the past month or two. They don’t block viruses.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26792313 - 06/29/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I just don't like cherrypicking it's not an unwavering trust in fauci he did lie about face masks in the beginning. He was asked why people weren't told about face masks in the beginning and he very bluntly said they felt they had to lie to us to make sure hospitals had the face masks they needed because in reality we were scrambling to just get enough masks to hospitals. But they did lie to us. So what you do is look at the people actually on the front lines, er doctors, lung specialists, epidemiologists, look at studies across the world not just here. Not everyone that's advocating masks is buying wht fauci is selling it just makes sense to do. I know for a fact wearing a mask won't hurt you but there's a very good chance not wearing one is contributing to the explosion of 45 thousand cases in one day.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods] * 1
    #26792328 - 06/29/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It wasn’t just Fauci either but it’s pretty clear the liberal worship of him in the past month or so is directly related to his antagonistic relationship with Trump.




You’re seriously delusional. Was his popularity during the Ebola scare due to Donald trump? And what antagonistic relationship? Fauci hasn’t criticized trump at all. You’re making shit up.




I don’t remember people making Fauci t shirts during Ebola.

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koods said:
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So why’d he put millions of lives in jeapordy by going on tv and telling the American public that masks were unnecessary?




Did you listen to the interview? All his recommendations started with “right now”

Facts change. Recommendations change. People can be wrong.




Like fal said, nations like Japan have known for years that wearing masks prevent the spread of airborne viruses. Hell, anyone who’s seen the movie Outbreak knows this. But you expect us to believe that the director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases for 40 years didn’t know that until recently? Or that somehow the facts about airborne viruses suddenly changed? Come on man.




And he didn’t think it was necessary for the general public to wear masks back when there were very few cases and the masks were in short supply. What is so hard to understand?

And the science on non medical masks (Face coverings) was very lacking until the past month or two. They don’t block viruses.





You’re so close to getting it.

It’s not that he didn’t think the masks were necessary, it’s that he said the masks weren’t necessary BECAUSE they were in short supply.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792332 - 06/29/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah washing your hands doesn’t block viruses either but somehow restaurants still made their employees wash their hands before a month ago.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792334 - 06/29/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Priorities shifted from the general public to healthcare workers cause of the limited supply right?

Do non-medical masks do nothing to stop the spread of the virus? Or do they help even a little? Not sure on the data on that...


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26792341 - 06/29/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That’s all I’m saying: the limited supply of masks necessitated relegating them to medical professionals in the early stages.

Koods wants me to believe that everything we know about airborne viruses changed recently.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26792345 - 06/29/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The science on non medical masks (Face coverings) was very lacking until the past month or two. They don’t block viruses.



I found several articles from 2009 where that was already known.  Should I link to one?


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26792351 - 06/29/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Koods wants me to believe that everything we know about airborne viruses changed recently.



There's very little data to suggest that Covid can be spread by airborne transmission.  It appears that it is spread through respiratory droplets.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792360 - 06/29/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah washing your hands doesn’t block viruses either but somehow restaurants still made their employees wash their hands before a month ago.




Lol wut? Soap kills most viruses.

Something that is lost in this discussion is the fact that what we are referring to now as masks (cloth, non-medical face coverings) weren’t even on the radar in march. There was almost no science on whether face coverings would work. The masks Fauci was refering to in March were medical grade n95 type masks. There is still no recommendation that people wear those. There simply aren’t enough, even now.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26792368 - 06/29/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The science on non medical masks (Face coverings) was very lacking until the past month or two. They don’t block viruses.



I found several articles from 2009 where that was already known.  Should I link to one?




Yes please link to articles written 11 years before this virus existed in humans


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26792372 - 06/29/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Viruses weren't discovered 11 years ago?!?


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26792391 - 06/29/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Koods wants me to believe that everything we know about airborne viruses changed recently.



There's very little data to suggest that Covid can be spread by airborne transmission.  It appears that it is spread through respiratory droplets.




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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792399 - 06/29/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You act like there's no difference between the two.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26792408 - 06/29/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There is, youre right.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26792559 - 06/29/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My first degree is in industrial safety. There are basically three areas that masks are intended to be effective. The first, filter particulate matter. The second, filter vapors. Finally, to stop blood borne pathogens. Medical masks are for BBP's. Even N95 medical masks are basically for BBP's because they never make a particularly good fit your face. For an N95 medical mask you don't need a fit test or respiratory clearance, just training on it's use. A half mask or full face respirator only works for the person inhaling, they exhale dirty air, as they are valved. They however exert large respiratory loads and require medical clearance and require a fit test that uses an smoke irritant or other means for identifying leaks. I am certified to do that medical clearance and fit test and do it fairly often, a few times a week.

There is little to no old research that I am aware of regarding the release of respiratory droplets. I know lots of it is in the works. OSHA doesn't have an official documentation on it either, they are treading lightly. I am an official Pandemic Safety Officer for my company and had to do a training to receive that, it was the most bullshit training ever because they have no clue what to train on. Everybody is lost.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792574 - 06/29/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Idk maybe you weren’t paying attention back then but the messaging about masks from January - Late March was always that we needed to protect the supply for healthcare workers. The jimmy Dore video is a lie. Fauci never hid that. Falcon traffics in complete bullshit as usual.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26792876 - 06/29/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You act like there's no difference between the two.



If we're talking about how these spread, there seems to be little difference.  What's different about how COVID-19 spreads vs how flu was believed to be spread many years ago?

How Influenza is Spread


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