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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26781932 - 06/25/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: a backhoe can move more dirt more masterfully than fireworks can.
Not as much fun though...
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Pinkerton
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Speaking of fun I think I want to run 5 miles a day and drink my spirulina smoothie. It's not fun but it's funner than depression and evil running thoughts.
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redgreenvines
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well you can disconnect the muffler
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783045 - 06/25/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: a backhoe can move more dirt more masterfully than fireworks can.
That is true...buy me a backhoe and I will do wonders.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783076 - 06/25/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Build me a Mx track and we gotta deal
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redgreenvines
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783322 - 06/25/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm listening, start talking about your wonders.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783323 - 06/25/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buy the backhoe first
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783595 - 06/26/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got it!
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sudly
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783806 - 06/26/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it means that actually "pushing the button", isn't necessarily ideal or predictable, and that maybe the threat of pushing the button, along with more minor retaliations can help to reduce hazards.
Or just that going balls deep is dangerous.
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Massive Retaliation
Massive Retaliation was an all-or-nothing strategy. It was the threat to turn the Soviet Union into a smoking, radiating ruin at the end of two hours. By making nuclear war too destructive to fight, by making the distinction between victor and loser in such a conflict increasingly meaningless, the deterrent strategy aimed at eliminating war itself. Furthermore, and more concretely Massive Retaliation meant the possible deterrence of an all-out attack. Massive Retaliation reflected a policy of "brinkmanship." The expectation was that by going to the "brink of war" the United States would be able to deter future Koreas.
To what extent was Massive Retaliation able to contain limited challenges? It turned out that the threat of Massive Retaliation could not prevent limited challenges. It was not an effective foreign policy tool to deal with everyday problems. Short of an ultimate provocation, the Soviet Union could raise tensions and challenge the U.S. as the Korean War already had shown and future crises involving Berlin would again prove. In other words, more limited responses were necessary to deal with less-than-total challenges.
The Soviet Union successfully tested American resolve several times. On 17 June 1953 it suppressed an anti-Communist revolt in East Berlin and in late 1956 it suppressed a national uprising in Hungary.
From Massive Retaliation to Flexible Response
A nuclear power in charge of an alliance has to deter the opponent and to reassure the allies. The alternative to reassuring U.S. allies would have been for Europeans to produce nuclear weapons themselves and create core deterrence themselves either on a national basis or in cooperation with other Europeans. It also would have meant that the Germans would have gotten a finger on the nuclear button
From the perspective of the United States, nuclear parity and territorial vulnerability required the adoption of a new strategy. The Kennedy administration accepted a new strategy, called Flexible Response.
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/cold-war/strategy/strategy-massive retaliation.htm
Unfortunately Kennedy's flexible response pretty much led to the military industrial complex, but perhaps if he had lived he could have tamed it.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: sudly]
#26783845 - 06/26/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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out of control
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sudly
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783882 - 06/26/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: sudly]
#26784025 - 06/26/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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like those dreams where you suddenly find yourself careening down the highway at 90mph ...
But no ones in the drivers seat.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26786185 - 06/27/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't know that. I bought Improvised Munitions from a local Army-Navy store. I still have a couple of pounds of an original 5 lb. jar of Potassium Chlorate from high school. After my last CO₂ cartridge rocket exploded with unprecedented force (I foolishly added some of that Chlorate to a Zinc & Sulphur fuel that did not require an oxidizer) I stopped with the ordnance pyrotechnics. Improvised platique exscaped me. I was taken by the McGyverish extraction of nitrates from barnyard soil! What do you detonate it with w/o a fulminate squib?
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I used m80 and firecracker fireworks to detonate. I wasn't interested in reinventing the wheel...just blowing shit up. Certainly wasn't fucking with fulminate of mercury. I did try to obtain a copy of that handbook while in the army. Went to the education center and asked to check it out. I had a secret security clearance...I was told top secret clearance was needed...I told them that I owned a copy in Kentucky...they said it was a bootleg and likely very out of date.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26788469 - 06/27/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heat + pressure + explosives = bang
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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