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Why is this not being discussed??? * 1
    #26781132 - 06/25/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? (moved) [Re: HamHead]
    #26781140 - 06/25/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26781142 - 06/25/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: zZZz]
    #26781145 - 06/25/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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<img src='/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Belongs here.




Great. Shove it under a rug so no one will see. Great looking out for public health jokeshopbeard.

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POST ALL COVID RELATED STUFF HERE BRO

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26443955




I CAN'T!!!


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26781473 - 06/25/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Could ypu explain in your own words, what this means, I dont get it.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: polaritymind]
    #26781853 - 06/25/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Right. So, a coronavirus vaccine is in the mix.

They have tested coronavirus vaccines on animals and they all produced antibodies. When the animals were challenged with the actual virus, their immune systems became hypersensitive to the virus and caused cytokine storms, leading to major problems.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/05/03/719037789/botched-vaccine-launch-has-deadly-repercussions

Different disease, same concept.

Here's the problem with Dengvaxia.

Typically, a vaccine works by triggering the immune system to make antibodies against the virus. These antibodies then fight off the virus during an infection.

But dengue is a tricky virus. Dengue antibodies don't always protect a person. In fact, these antibodies can make an infection worse. The dengue virus actually uses the antibodies to help it spread through the body. So a second infection with dengue — when your blood already has antibodies in it — can actually be worse than the first; a person is at a higher risk of severe complications like plasma leakage syndrome.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26789954 - 06/28/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So explain a little more what leads to a cytokine storm.
The example with dengue is pretty clear, but are you proposing that maybe Corona also has a similar mechanism? And in that sense no vaccine is bound  to ever work, is that the point? Crazy idea, but would be very important to know, if true!


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26829470 - 07/17/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Right. So, a coronavirus vaccine is in the mix.

They have tested coronavirus vaccines on animals and they all produced antibodies. When the animals were challenged with the actual virus, their immune systems became hypersensitive to the virus and caused cytokine storms, leading to major problems.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/05/03/719037789/botched-vaccine-launch-has-deadly-repercussions

Different disease, same concept.

Here's the problem with Dengvaxia.

Typically, a vaccine works by triggering the immune system to make antibodies against the virus. These antibodies then fight off the virus during an infection.

But dengue is a tricky virus. Dengue antibodies don't always protect a person. In fact, these antibodies can make an infection worse. The dengue virus actually uses the antibodies to help it spread through the body. So a second infection with dengue — when your blood already has antibodies in it — can actually be worse than the first; a person is at a higher risk of severe complications like plasma leakage syndrome.






interesting


there's no way in hell i'll be getting a COVID vaccine anytime in the near future, for a variety of reasons.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26831375 - 07/18/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Corona, like Sars 1, is known to induce in certain individuals an over activation of the immune response leading to a cytokine cascade/storm.  This was actually the cause of most of the deaths from the 1st SARS corona virus.  It is less common with this virus, significantly so.

Also, convalescent plasma has been researched and used as a frontline treatment for the sickest already.  It's effectiveness is debatable with conflicting studies.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: Ice9]
    #26838759 - 07/22/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well there is different kinds of vaccines right, dead and alive vaccines, sounds stupid but is how we call them here even in the hospitals etc. So, would this problem be applicable with a dead vaccine?


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: polaritymind] * 1
    #26859036 - 08/02/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Well there is different kinds of vaccines right, dead and alive vaccines, sounds stupid but is how we call them here even in the hospitals etc. So, would this problem be applicable with a dead vaccine?






i don't buy tools the first year they come out.  the majority of new products have lots of flaws, which often take years to correct.  i'll let 100 million+ folks be the sample, and wait a year or so to see what happens.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26861747 - 08/03/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Tulipslave said:
Quote:

polaritymind said:
Well there is different kinds of vaccines right, dead and alive vaccines, sounds stupid but is how we call them here even in the hospitals etc. So, would this problem be applicable with a dead vaccine?






i don't buy tools the first year they come out.  the majority of new products have lots of flaws, which often take years to correct.  i'll let 100 million+ folks be the sample, and wait a year or so to see what happens.




Vaccine induced ADE would be my guess.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: polaritymind]
    #26867243 - 08/06/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

polaritymind said:
Well there is different kinds of vaccines right, dead and alive vaccines, sounds stupid but is how we call them here even in the hospitals etc. So, would this problem be applicable with a dead vaccine?




Yes, because a cytokine storm is basically an immune overreaction. The immune system is the problem, not the vaccine that allowed the immune response.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26896443 - 08/24/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because there is no strong evidence that plasma antibody therapy can successfully treat COVID-19, or that,
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The evidence is limited, because it’s still early days




Basically,

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A group of America's top health officials, including Dr Anthony Fauci, intervened last week to try to stop the authorisation because the evidence was too weak, the New York Times has reported.




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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26896462 - 08/24/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26897232 - 08/24/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If haven't had corona already your immune system won't do much of anything to protect you.

Antibodies and all.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26897303 - 08/24/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26897787 - 08/24/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wtf no, you prepare for it with masks, gloves (used correctly), cough medications, contact tracing, testing and universal healthcare.

It is scary and a vaccine would go a long way in helping people.

Try preparing for polio by catching it.. :fryflipoff:


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26897805 - 08/24/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Right. So, a coronavirus vaccine is in the mix.

They have tested coronavirus vaccines on animals and they all produced antibodies. When the animals were challenged with the actual virus, their immune systems became hypersensitive to the virus and caused cytokine storms, leading to major problems.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/05/03/719037789/botched-vaccine-launch-has-deadly-repercussions

Different disease, same concept.

Here's the problem with Dengvaxia.

Typically, a vaccine works by triggering the immune system to make antibodies against the virus. These antibodies then fight off the virus during an infection.

But dengue is a tricky virus. Dengue antibodies don't always protect a person. In fact, these antibodies can make an infection worse. The dengue virus actually uses the antibodies to help it spread through the body. So a second infection with dengue — when your blood already has antibodies in it — can actually be worse than the first; a person is at a higher risk of severe complications like plasma leakage syndrome.





But the authors of the article you posted state, explicitly, that SARS-CoV-2 infection doesn't seem to behave in this way. in their own words:

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Unlike the above-mentioned viral diseases, there is neither clinical nor epidemiological evidence in humans to suggest ADE of CoV infection in severe disease. Re-infection with human CoVs has been observed and there is no report that sequential infection is more severe than primary infection. Likewise, there is also no evidence to suggest that the severity of SARS or MERS is linked to baseline cross-reactive CoV antibodies




and from their concluding remarks:

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While experimental evidence to prove or disprove immune enhancement as a pathogenic basis of severe Covid-19 remains to be obtained, current knowledge on the mechanism of ADE and immune enhancement collectively suggest that the risk that hyperimmune globulin or a highly efficacious vaccine pose to exacerbating disease is low. Most descriptions of ADE occur in experimental settings without strong clinical support.




From my interpretation, the message this paper is trying to send is essentially "this is very likely not going to be an issue, but we should still do our due diligence and make sure this risk is mitigated when designing/testing vaccines"


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26898198 - 08/25/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel] * 1
    #26898519 - 08/25/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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sudly said:
Wtf no, you prepare for it with masks, gloves (used correctly), cough medications, contact tracing, testing and universal healthcare.

It is scary and a vaccine would go a long way in helping people.

Try preparing for polio by catching it.. :fryflipoff:




polio is a great example. herd immunity had started to appear before any vaccine was released.
its easy to get distracted with everything being shoved in our faces all the time.



Provide some sort of reference.  My uncle was one of last people to catch polio before the vaccine and was very lucky in that he mostly recovered.


Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the U.S. In the early 1950s, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccines—specifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963—the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960s and fewer than 10 in the 1970s.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: Ice9]
    #26899825 - 08/26/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26899966 - 08/26/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus mary of fuck.



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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26900911 - 08/26/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26901092 - 08/26/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Must be the Dunning-Kruger effect.

And out? What do you mean out? You were never in this, and you still aren't.

Diseases come in waves, they arrive and spread like crazy, then social awareness and precaution reduces the spread but without a vaccine the level of infection won't drop to near nill.

If you look at the graph YOU posted and actually looked into it an inch you'd notice that in the early 1950s people feared only nuclear ahnilalation more than polio, hence they tried to avoid spreading it and the numbers went down.

When the vaccine was made it took longer than over night to protect everyone and eventually and you can see in that graph, IT WORKED! And the number if infections remained extremely low relative to what it was.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26901343 - 08/26/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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graphs dont mean much, look:



unfortunately all that proves is that the graph exists.




Who measures polio deaths other than to put on death certificates, the majority of people who contracted polio lived, as seen in my graph, was approximately 15k per year every year since at least the 50's prior to the vaccine.  What you did is take a graph that has no bearing on the topic at hand, and use it disingenuously to try to make a point.  This is either through malfeasance on your part, or stupidity. Take your pick, I care not which you choose.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26901632 - 08/27/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26901652 - 08/27/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What even is my profile picture?

A big portion of them died and many survived via isolation.

Survivors of the black plague where often left with horrible scarring for the rest of their lives, but they did have some immunity to it for when the disease came around again :thumbup:

And before modern vaccines they had variolation.
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900-1000 AD. The first precursor to a modern vaccination, however, occurred in China. The Chinese were the first to develop a primitive form of a vaccine around the 10th century, according to the NHS. Known as variolation or inoculation, the method was developed to prevent smallpox — a destructive disease that frequently plagued Europe and Asia in the Middle Ages. Chinese physicians discovered that when healthy people were exposed to smallpox scab tissue, they were less likely to get infected with the disease later on (or if they did, it was a much milder, less dangerous version). The most common form of inoculation in China was to crush smallpox scabs into powder, then breathe it in through the nose.




All this aside, maybe you should catch rubella, measles and or polio to make yourself a stronger person and tell us all about it.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #26901725 - 08/27/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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do you ever wonder how humans made it to the point of being able to create vaccines without being wiped out by viruses?




We didn't get completely wiped out, but we lost absolutely massive amounts of our population to pandemics. The Black Death killed 50 - 60% of humans in Europe. The Spanish Flu killed 30% of the world's population at the time. That would be like losing 2.3 billion people today.

"getting it to be prepared for it" is exactly what a vaccine is doing. It's training your immune system to recognize and attack the real thing if you ever come in contact with it.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26902963 - 08/27/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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do you ever wonder how humans made it to the point of being able to create vaccines without being wiped out by viruses?
you should think about that, properly, not just reply with an argument. in fact, dont even reply, just think about the logistics of how that might have worked.





We were spread out globally and couldn't spread super deadly pathogens worldwide in mere days......

And you thought the answer was evolution or genetic diversity lol, human populations for the past 50k years were far more homogeneous than they are now, meaning a single bad pathogen could wipe them all out.

Do you ever think? Not just reply with an argument in fact don't even reply, I can see you got nothing gooing on upstairs anyhow.


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    #26903128 - 08/27/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26903159 - 08/27/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

2020 years ofc.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26904118 - 08/28/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Evolution and range
Main articles: Homo, Early modern human, and Human taxonomy
Further information: Anthropology, Human evolution, and Timeline of human evolution
The genus Homo evolved and diverged from other hominins in Africa, after the human clade split from the chimpanzee lineage of the hominids (great apes) branch of the primates. Modern humans, defined as the species Homo sapiens or specifically to the single extant subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens, proceeded to colonize all the continents and larger islands, arriving in Eurasia 125,000–60,000 years ago,[35][36] Australia around 40,000 years ago, the Americas around 15,000 years ago, and remote islands such as Hawaii, Easter Island, Madagascar, and New Zealand between the years 300 and 1280.[37][38]

When you say human you specifically mean Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and not other subspecies of Homo Sapiens which evolved in Africa @ 500k years ago


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    #26906915 - 08/29/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

And an average age of 30.

Less populace and more spread out peeps too. 

Without it you'll stand a much better chance of being dead :thumbup:


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    #26907537 - 08/30/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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so we were around for ~59,800-124,800 years before the first vaccine was created.
~59,800-124,800 years without the need for a single vaccine, yet in the last 200 years we have needed, what? 30-40?
that is assuming the evolution etc article is correct.

even if you only count the ~6,000 years we have been known to be living closely in large numbers that still leaves 5,800 years of no vaccines vs only 200 years for 30-40 vaccines.

to add to it we seem to "need" the vaccines more and more every time.

you are, of course, free to do what you like with your body, but i will not be getting any covid "vaccine", EVER. if they try to force it on me then they better make sure i am dead.




We have been living in large agrarian cities for 8 to 10k years approximately.  The thing is these cities dealt with constant pestilence which ravaged their populations.  Also, they did not have the means to transport to any other large civilizations effectively due to the sick dying long before reaching another large city thus reducing the spread and reproducability factor of these pathogens.

It is only since the industrial age that vaccines have really been needed (and also the science behind them has become known) so hence why we have vaccines now and not then. 

You seem incapable of critical thinking and extremely uneducated, and unwilling to educate yourself.  This will be my last reply as this feels like a troll thread.

As far as getting or not getting a vaccine, I hope they mandate it and force you.


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    #26910343 - 08/31/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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And an average age of 30.

Less populace and more spread out peeps too. 

Without it you'll stand a much better chance of being dead :thumbup:




im surprised you believe what we are being told, given your stance on evolution and darwin. do you not see links?




Do you not have the capacity to point them out?


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26911165 - 09/01/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those links you asked if I saw, the answer is no. Point them out.


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    #26912762 - 09/01/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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i love that the only 2 people in this thread that is not me think i am dumb for not believing everything im told by the media hahah its the cherry on the cake that one of them doesn't believe in evolution and the other is a benzo junkie :laugh:




More ad hominem attacks, troll for sure, and not a very bright one as I called him out on this already.  I'll reiterate for you, my benzo use in no way impacts my educational attainment, which is greater than yours, nor does it effect my ability to think coherently on a given topic.  You can't even reply to the posts I've made in coherent fashion, instead using strawman tactics and personal attacks. 

Well here is a personal attack for you, your avatar has a literal higher IQ than you.


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Re: Why is this not being discussed??? [Re: greenladel]
    #26916253 - 09/03/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A scientific theory is regarded as fact. Point, gravity is just a theory yet no one doubts it.

The difference with evolution compared to other scientific theories is it is not particularly predictive, but is very powerful retrodictively.  A great scientific theory can predict future events, as well as explain past phenomena, evolution, largely due to its random nature is not good at predicting the future, but is immensely powerful at explaining past phenomena.


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    #26916718 - 09/04/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Those links you asked if I saw, the answer is no. Point them out.




evolution is a widely accepted "fact". it is not theory because, as many people think, it is still a theory in working that has yet to be decided, it is a theory as in, it is not a physical thing that we watch and participate in, instead it is an understanding of how things work.
(maybe i would have been better off using dictionary definitions to explain the difference hahah, but im assuming you already know the difference, you dont seem like an idiot).

given that, you go against the grain and question the very core of our society and wonder for yourself if this is a fact or if it is shoved down our throats for personal gain (maybe the latter is a little tailored, but your reasons will surely fit closely to those? either way you are reluctant to buy into the so called facts that are given to us).

the links are that these are all "facts" about what is going on in the world. the reason we are lied to about evolution is directly married to the reasons why we are lied to about a viral outbreak.

that said, i have never actually noted why you do not believe in evolution.
maybe we should start there? maybe it is religious, if so then i could be completely out of the ball park here.

i guess i am rambling a lot with that response, but it would be cool if we could discuss why you dont believe the widely accepted theory of evolution that is taught in schools across the world. i think we are closer to each other than first meets the eye.




It's pretty easy to see evolution if you look at Richard Lenski's E.coli experiment.

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Lenski, a professor of microbial ecology at Michigan State, is best known for his work on what’s known as the long-term evolution experiment. The project, started in 1988, examines evolution in action. He and his lab members have been growing 12 populations of E. coli continuously for over 65,000 generations, tracking the development and mutations of the 12 separate strains.

The results have garnered attention and accolades — including a MacArthur “genius” grant, which Lenski received in 1996 — both for the enormity of the undertaking and for the intriguing findings the study has yielded. Most notably, in 2003, Lenski and his collaborators realized that one strain of E. coli had evolved the ability to use citrate as an energy source, something no previous population of E. coli was able to do.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/long-term-evolution-the-richard-lenski-interview-20161103/




Saying that evolution is 'just a theory', and disregarding the word 'theory' in scientific terms, is like a cop calling in a 10-4 code over the radio and you thinking they're talking about a 10 by 4 plank of wood.

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Part of the problem is that the word "theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing.




What personal gain is there in believing in evolution?
I might think it could scare people as it often challenges religious ideals, like man made from dirt, and women from mans rib.

We are lied to constantly by people in power and the mainstream corporate media that propagates their propaganda. e.g. Bill Barr, the Attorney General of the United states saying he does not know if you're allowed to vote twice in California.

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"I don't know what the law in the particular state says" -- Wolf Blitzer has to explain to the Attorney General of the United States that it's actually illegal to vote twice. 

Bill Barr says he doesn't know if you can vote twice in California
https://www.indy100.com/video/trending/bill-barr-says-he-does-not-know-if-trying-to-vote-twice-is-illegal-eT4qx6vk




If you honestly think I don't believe in evolution after reading this post, it may be projection from your end imo.


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    #26919738 - 09/05/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you would be so kind to fill us in and share the link to that thread?

I have my ideas what's going on
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