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What do you think of this visual?
#26781054 - 06/25/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Copypasted from my trip report, since that forum doesn't get much traffic apparently. I want to hear what others think of this: (dose ~36g wet) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26779466 " Very clear head, CEVs appeared rapidly, first with patterns that were like a vine rectangular in shape and streaming with a simple >>> pattern I think. This soon changed into something quite bizarre as I tried to lay down calmly and ignore the little flies, I mean they didn't do any harm so if I just closed my eyes they aren't there. So the visuals were like eyes in a familiar pattern at first and then something new like hands and arms and other humanlike features signaling to me something. they were opening doors and the hands were folding in on themselves like in a 2D kaleidoscope if you know what I mean, when the middle of the picture just vanishes. I remember being at first a little astonished by this circus going on, like what does it mean, but then I realized that isn't this amazing that my mind is doing this stuff, like how?! And the mushrooms are enabling this, what a weird thing, and I remember realizing - like I know - that the mind uses images and symbols like in dreams, so maybe this is all that is going on: my conscious mind is expanding and what I am seeing is exactly that. "
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26781125 - 06/25/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get this unfolding 4th dimensional universe quite frequently, and it starts with red and green vines or pink and blue ones. The initial appearance and location of some 'twigs' can be explained by afterimage artifacts or debris lingering in mind, but the growth and proliferation in 3-d is astonishing and then it shifts into impossible 4-d complexity. I attribute the impossible conformations to the layering up of time slices of experience - moments of consciousness persisting longer than usual and overlapping rather than fading away as they do when sober.
look for evidence of lingering experience, echoing thought, enriched depth and color, these are the trails that psychedelics produce by extending moments of experience.
if you get to this state again, I recommend turning your head and looking around at your environment and then stopping - at that point I experience 360 degree all round vision of my space. It is a stunning example of extended persistence of mental forms while on psychedelics.
the hands and eyes becoming multiple is more of the same idea. These in particular are very commonly reported in salvia experiences, but they are generic stoned by products of human hand-eye occupations. Pareidolia is a good word to explore in your web research.
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26781260 - 06/25/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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cool very good to research online
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banana a day
pear a day
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banana less drugs
apple good for... everything?
and dmt smoked on trip
just a little bit
or more
having gone through life for a long time and been interested I have come across remarkable things like bhante gunaratana you meditation
dmt is what made the biggest impression on me or one of the thing
on other substance
just saying
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26781270 - 06/25/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: . I remember being at first a little astonished by this circus going on, like what does it mean, but then I realized that isn't this amazing that my mind is doing this stuff, like how?! And the mushrooms are enabling this, what a weird thing, and I remember realizing - like I know - that the mind uses images and symbols like in dreams, so maybe this is all that is going on: my conscious mind is expanding and what I am seeing is exactly that. "
There we go! That’s what I’m talking about. Keeping ones wits about them and looking directly at the nature of Mind while it’s pulling a stunt like that is the point of all this. Wether it’s our normal every day to day life, dreams, or trips, seeing or being aware of the mind itself and recognizing it like that is where I believe we learn the most about how much it impacts all avenues of or life. Tripping is cool because it’s can literally seem to stand out more than our day to day one. Knowing everyone is also dealing with the same thing is also very insightful.
Like, what the...what is this thing?! It’s always with me - so to speak - and I can see it so clearly now, what’s it always doing in my day to day and dreams wind trips? Etc etc everyone’s got one and not recognizing how it influences us all in the same ways is a chief cause of misunderstandings and misperceptions etc etc. structuring our reality into a simulacrum of the thing itself. Trippy.
The visions from fungi can act like a Rorschach ink blot test for both our psyche & the mind as is. Seeing our projections etc. Our various senses are always turned on - and stuff is always streaming through them - the storehouse consciousness - our various experiences, all our memories, etc etc - all shaping and structuring how we experience reality. That’s mind. Like a magical illusion. Nice going .
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26781315 - 06/25/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree very much. Mushrooms make the mind come out to the conscious light more. Does this mean that the center of consciousness, the center of attention is separate from the mind? One thing I have noticed with tripping on mushrooms is that first during the comeup when the visuals come, your mind is more still and clear of thought. There is a peacefulness and only later on the trip seems to become psychological as well and immerse you (me at least) in it. This trip was very different because I was on the move during the peak with a destination and objective set for me, so the psychological trip never took place quite so intensely. NEvertheless it was there. Stuff coming to my consciousness. I almost want to trip again already, but there is this resistance to it. Maybe it is the same resistance that one has towards changing habits or anything else about daily life that is too profound.
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26781546 - 06/25/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: ...Does this mean that the center of consciousness, the center of attention is separate from the mind?...
The frontal cortex can suppress activity from any part of the brain favoring another sense or idea, but it is not really separate, it is the organ (brain) monitoring itself. The whole thing works as a unit with the same rules about associative memory formation and recall. Being aware of this is extra activity but not elsewhere, it is pervasive. A loud noise or flash of light or other alert can disrupt the general suppression, shifting the awareness to the new field of sensation or thought.
however, the whole mind is subject to the dosage effects coming on, which you are pervasively observing: initially Subtle - always happens but may only last a minute, then Altered- usually and this can last a few minutes to a half hour, then Visual changes- most frequently which can also be a few minutes or all day if you only took a bit, then Visionary kaleidoscopic - this is the sweet-spot on dose and if you get the right amount you have a couple of hours of it, then Immaterial or synaesthesiac if you take more than the sweet-spot requires - where senses and thoughts cross the usual limits and the self may seem intrinsically something other than human (this means you have had a little bit too much but is usually ok! You mentioned psychological effects and this is the level where that is intense), then, finally if you have enough psychedelic amnesiac or blanking out occurs The dose is too high at this point - Heroic is the term some use.
as you come down, you go back through these stages of inebriation in the reverse direction.
If you take too much, you will actually miss a bit of your trip, no memory will be created during the amnesiac portion, but as the effects ramp up into black out they can be amazing, and as you emerge from blackout it is extremely dreamy on the way back to just being stoned and coming down.
back to attention, or center stage awareness: the mental activity which occupies center stage typically is looking for changes in some field or matter of interest. It is an organic behavior of focusing. what does not change will tend to cancel out and disappear, it will not be tracked. Similar to after-images, where a static scene you observe will seem in ghostly reversed color when you close your eyes. the brain is negating the sustained signal pulse trains from the eye, to facilitate noticing movement (predator and/or prey).
Even concentration itself will become negated unless you latch onto something like the breath and observe the parts of each breath changing.
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26781580 - 06/25/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I concur.
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26781629 - 06/25/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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BTW I finally went to the report (where is that link - how did I find it?)
yes! your written report is excellent - and typical - You spent a fair bit of time in an Immaterial state, and you even mentioned not feeling quite human! Fortunately the lower level effects continued and buoyed your spirits (the visionary sweet spot was maintained even though you were struggling with body and mental distortions of the Immaterial level).
Each time you got a jolt you were going up through the effect ranges I mentioned.
Thankfully you did not take too much or you would have blanked out, and I did not read any part of the report when you blanked completely, you were not Overloaded.
great trip, sweet-spot and a little bit more.
(note: these levels are typical from salvia divinorum culture, but I do find they map directly to all psychedelics. Most people still use the Shulgin scale which is too vague for me, Love Shulgin, but not the scale he used.)
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Re: What do you think of this visual? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26781838 - 06/25/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you RGV for your input. I get where your username comes from now  I am not sure you read the same report since your description of it is quite different, but perhaps that is your experienced interpretation. I felt completely human all the time and much like myself. Only different personas came more apparent and dynamics in my mind. Had I closed my eyes and laid down, something else might have happened.
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