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OfflineBuster_Brown
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Re: Pedophila [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26789019 - 06/28/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I think objectively it is fine. But subjectively I disagree with it vehemently.






An analogy could be the child in revelation 12 -The woman gives birth to a paradigm based on emotion as the driving force as opposed to reason.

It's the old battle of controlling our emotional reactions and xenophobia etcetera (along with perhaps some skeletons in the closet)

Edited by Buster_Brown (06/28/20 07:04 AM)

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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26789080 - 06/28/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

seems to me possible to be frozen in the mind of a preteen, or partially, so this is a psychiatric domain, but when left at large, it is a danger for children whose consent maturation is limited to ice cream selection, or video channel.

these people (pederasts) need treatment and isolation from the innocent.

after covid, we will probably se a rise in isolation options that are unlike incarceration.


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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26789088 - 06/28/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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these people (pederasts) need treatment and isolation from the innocent.






As are murderers, and if intent is all that is needed to identify a murderer...etc

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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26789127 - 06/28/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

there can be a range of intent,
from mere conception of possibility
through the creation of reminders and obsession
into the core of premeditation
and finally the taking of steps to engage and commit banned inter-social behaviors.

all need help, some require isolation from communities of vulnerable parts of society


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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26789177 - 06/28/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think weighing alternatives constitutes intent so conception wouldn't imply guilt imo. Obsession might indicate desire tho.

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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26790956 - 06/28/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What are we to do with underage children who want to have sex or engage in sexual activity?

Should we just show them some pornography and tell them to wait till their older?

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Re: Pedophila == arrested development [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26791001 - 06/28/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just because a child wants to do something doesn't mean its good for them. We generally presuppose that children are unable to make the best decisions for themselves, thats why we have restrictions based on age. From a consequentialist standpoint, the risk of trauma and harm is too great to allow for a sexual free for all, and even if there are exceptions to the rule we have no way of knowing which children are able to do that without being harmed in some way during the process.

Encouraging people to fucking others in their age group seems pretty reasonable to me. I think it's probably good to have sexual experiences with people that have roughly the same level of life experiences, leaves less room for coercion and abusive power dynamics (though they still exist obviously).

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Re: Pedophila [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26791189 - 06/29/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What is your criteria in judging whether a child(a being) can understand yes and no?




I don't understand the question. Children, like non-human beings learn verbal cues. My cat understands the word no which is accompanied by a loud, abrupt tonal quality. Human comprehension of these verbal cues changes by degree based upon their cognitive ability at specific points of their development. No is first associated with a negative reinforcement, a punishment. This follows a basic pleasure-pain, reward-punishment power dynamic. It is only gradually that the reason for not acting a certain way begins to dawn on children. A spank on the bottom for a toddler escaping his parent's hand and running into traffic is the only comprehensible thing at an early age. The toddler doesn't get that [s]he'll get run over. In fact an adolescent counselee was stupidly stepping out into traffic to fuck with cars at age 12 or 13 and she got hit and had her leg broken because even at her age she had no comprehension of stopping distances for cars moving at different speeds. Not the brightest of kids to be sure.

Yes and no are different categories than the right and wrong dualism of moral development, a development which has been amply demonstrated to proceed according to invariant stages in over 300 separate cultures (see Lawrence Kohlberg's work).


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Re: Pedophila [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26791246 - 06/29/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I belive there is a link between right and wrong and yes and no..

Something that is wrong has a no attached to it..

Something that is right.. should have a yes.. or an option to say yes attached to it..

So therefore much like binary codes of lengths of mixed codes interchanging ons and offs 1's and Zeros!

It should be this basic to understand.. in my opinion..

The correct means of selection.. making correct choices in a world of Good and Evil..Even know evil has an Eve in it.. but I don't know what that means..

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Re: Pedophila [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #26791349 - 06/29/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

when something really significant comes along we will redefine childhood, at the moment our definition of childhood does not include consent for sex or marriage or full culpability in murder.

so, nothing compelling in the field of pedophilia is making us change our stand on this.

sexualizing childhood is not ok even if it makes some predator happy.


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Re: Pedophila [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26791385 - 06/29/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

funnyvid.

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Re: Pedophila [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26793483 - 06/29/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
when something really significant comes along we will redefine childhood, at the moment our definition of childhood does not include consent for sex or marriage or full culpability in murder.

so, nothing compelling in the field of pedophilia is making us change our stand on this.

sexualizing childhood is not ok even if it makes some predator happy.




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Re: Pedophila [Re: Darwin23]
    #26793500 - 06/29/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The only good pedophile is a dead pedophile.

Pedophilia has to be genetic, there's no other explanation. I've been avoiding this thread just because the topic is so disgusting and disturbing that I don't even want to think about the existence of pedophiles and pedophilia. It's like thinking about the worst parts of mankind and realizing that there really are terrible people doing terrible things in the world. It's depressing and disturbing and disgusting all rolled into one. The idea that anyone could hurt a child (let alone like that) is just one of the most depressing things I can think of.

A lot of pedophiles don't seem to be able to control themselves, and when they can't control themselves they destroy people's lives, they hurt children in the worst ways imaginable, and some even kill little kids to cover their tracks. Since we have no treatment for pedophilia and since we can't risk harm to kids, it seems to me that the only thing we can do is to remove pedophiles from society, permanently. Throw them in jail and throw away the key.

I'm a believer in nonviolence and I try to be a good person and to have empathy and sympathy for others, but pedophiles really test the limits of my beliefs.

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Re: Pedophila [Re: nooneman]
    #26793517 - 06/30/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The only good pedophile is a dead pedophile.

Pedophilia has to be genetic, there's no other explanation. I've been avoiding this thread just because the topic is so disgusting and disturbing that I don't even want to think about the existence of pedophiles and pedophilia. It's like thinking about the worst parts of mankind and realizing that there really are terrible people doing terrible things in the world. It's depressing and disturbing and disgusting all rolled into one. The idea that anyone could hurt a child (let alone like that) is just one of the most depressing things I can think of.

A lot of pedophiles don't seem to be able to control themselves, and when they can't control themselves they destroy people's lives, they hurt children in the worst ways imaginable, and some even kill little kids to cover their tracks. Since we have no treatment for pedophilia and since we can't risk harm to kids, it seems to me that the only thing we can do is to remove pedophiles from society, permanently. Throw them in jail and throw away the key.

I'm a believer in nonviolence and I try to be a good person and to have empathy and sympathy for others, but pedophiles really test the limits of my beliefs.




I'm shocked with 12k posts you have this level of mental weakness.

You cant possible fathom a reality where our hatred of pedos stems from brainwashing? Think of sex as a normal act like playing catch or hugging. Its possible we have been repressed sexually into putting this shit into taboo sections.

If a child.... 10 years old WANTS sex with an adult.... and we didnt see that as this evil thing.... I mean.... thats the conversation going on here.



I am anti-pedos of course. I dont like them either. But lets not pretend we arent brainwashed into thinking that way.

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Re: Pedophila [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #26793543 - 06/30/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, triggered much?

That's some sick pro-pedo bullshit you're trying to sell there. It's not brainwashing, pedophilia is sick and disgusting and wrong. And any normal human being would feel the same.

You come in here, you claim that you're anti-pedo, but then you spend the whole thread trying to defend pedophilia. And then you get triggered by me saying we should lock pedos up and throw away the key. Gee, I wonder why you'd be so angry about that...

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Re: Pedophila [Re: nooneman]
    #26793564 - 06/30/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think we should burn them at the stake. If we burned them alive a lot of it would stop. I was recently talking to a really pretty woman and she told me her grandfather sexually abused her growing up  :frown: .. It also happend to some of my family members.

I get upset even thinking about this subject. People are straight up evil!!. Even if you dont get physically raped,people end up raping your mind through bullying and they get off by causing you mental pain. I'm honestly surprised people want to live forever. Even if you're born in a regular family this place sucks unless you're away from society...

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Re: Pedophila [Re: Shenmue]
    #26793628 - 06/30/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Shenmue said:
Even if you're born in a regular family this place sucks unless you're away from society...




Insecurity can result in a domineering façade supported by pack mentality in search of a strong leader. Competitive/protective/insecure nature produces hardliners: "Better dead than Red" etc.

Progressives have to accept the reality of the limitations of character that nature will throw in their path. The weak of course become strong and the strong weak, and we try to learn by the history of our mistakes.

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Re: Pedophila [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26793864 - 06/30/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

can we put a cork in this thread:
advocating death for thinking certain way is exactly what is wrong with society, however not advocating death for pedophiles does not make pedophilia OK.

hopefully somebody agrees with that.


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Re: Pedophila [Re: nooneman]
    #26793982 - 06/30/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, triggered much?

That's some sick pro-pedo bullshit you're trying to sell there. It's not brainwashing, pedophilia is sick and disgusting and wrong. And any normal human being would feel the same.

You come in here, you claim that you're anti-pedo, but then you spend the whole thread trying to defend pedophilia. And then you get triggered by me saying we should lock pedos up and throw away the key. Gee, I wonder why you'd be so angry about that...




If you were told since day 1 on earth that 10 year old girls need to have sex with an adult to prepare them for adulthood you would have no problem with it.

Like come to the real world with me. Or sit there and bitch about me being triggered.

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Re: Pedophila [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26794064 - 06/30/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

flexible much?


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