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Are these Mazatapec pins aborts? [Re: goatchild]
    #26565696 - 03/29/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 29/03/2020

SHORT VERSION:

Thai Pink Buffalo cakes: not doing anything.
Mazatapec cakes: only 2 pinning from bottom what appear to be aborts. What to do?
Other 2 MAzatapec cakes remain eventless.
Transkei cakes: 3 cakes pinning strong on the bottom. All 4 cakes are pinning ok on top.

Reason for pinning on bottom: overmisting. Read long version for explanation of my theory.

Thoughts?


LONG VERSION:

2 Mazatapec cakes started pinning on the bottom of the cake as well.

Here's some pics from the bottom of 1 of those MAZ cakes:


These pins look weird. The cap is grey brown doesn't feel lively. Are these aborts? Mutants? Should I remove them from the cake?



Here's an update on the Transkei cakes. They started to pin on top! So that makes me happy. Also more pins are showing at the bottom as well. Check the pics:

Top of the cakes:





On the bottom of these Transkei cakes there are more pins:





So regarding the bottom pinning:

After searching for other posts mentioning this same problem, and reading some RRs posts about bottom pinning, I decided to leave this bottom pinning just happen. I won't remove this pins or flip the cakes since flipping could cause these to abort. Also if they pinned down there then they should know better than me where to pin.

I think that the cakes are more happy to pin on the bottom because, I think after reading tons of threads and posts, that the cakes will always pin where there is more moisture and humidity. That's why for example when people are using monotubs sometimes if they're not using liners, the substrate can start pinning on the sides. But my problem wasn't lack of misting and dry cakes, it was the opposite: I misted too much.
I am using a pressure sprayer:

This sprayer sprays a very fine mist but constantly and with with a wide angle. Maybe this contributed to over misting. Also I took too seriously the "mist until the verm glistens with moisture" advice. That bacterial gelatinous goo on the bottom of at least 2 cakes is proof that I may have overmisted. To this add the fact that I am using the CBK's bottom watering TEK which requires foil plates. After misting a lot, water accumulates on the bottom. Because this are foil plates, the side barrier of these plates maybe prevents FAE to get to the bottom of the cakes and little to no evaporation takes place.

So concluding the bottom of the cakes have more moisture/saturation so the cakes pinned there in more numbers. Next time I will use standard flat foil bases for the cakes and use the foil plates only when I have 1cm pins ready for CBK's bottom watering TEK. I will also mist less because this pressure sprayer is powerful.

Other than that I think I have been doing a good job with my misting, fanning, FAE routine. I mist the cakes, fan with the lid for 30 secs, then I'll wait until the cakes dry a bit, or humidity drops to 92%+-, then I mist again. FAE is happening. I think next pic shows that. Around the holes of the SGFC there is no condensation so ar is coming in:




If you guys have anything to add to this, advice, criticism etc you are welcome.


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Invisiblegoatchild
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Re: Are these Mazatapec pins aborts? [Re: goatchild]
    #26567429 - 03/30/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26582444 - 04/06/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 07/04/2020

Guys I've got 12 cakes going. Up until now only 4 cakes have fruited successfully (Transkei). The first pins started forming on the 27th March. Yesterday the mushrooms on these 4 cakes that have been growing for 10 days started to open their caps so I had to harvest these. Problem is the fruits of these 4 cakes were too small as you will see.

After searching the forum it seems most of the times the cause of getting small fruits is lack of moisture/misting etc. But I'm pretty sure I misted enough. In fact I suspect I might have overdone the misting and maybe that might have contributed to the size of the mushrooms to be so small. Why I believe I over misted? Because the cakes seemed heavy. Specially the Transkei cakes (maybe because of the fruits yes). But if you read my other updates some cakes were growing the gelatinous goo on bottom. Someone hinted that this might be because of overmisting. I am also using a pressure pump for misting. And if I am not careful the cakes get super wet because the pump sprays a lot of water with a wide angle.

Also as you can see in the pics below this cakes had lots of pins on the bottom of the cakes. Maybe when cakes produce this much pins the mushrooms will grow small because there's not enough resources for the mushrooms to grow bigger? What do you think?

Some pics:













What about the other 8 cakes? What do you think might be causing the absence of mushrooms? 4 cakes are Thai Pink Buffalo the other 4 are Mazatapec.
The Mazatapec cakes actually produced some pins on the bottom 2 weeks or so ago. But these few pins stalled so then I decided after a week to dunk these 8 cakes for 12h. After the dunk the pins forming bellow the Mazatapec cakes came out of the water with their caps black. So I figured these pins died so I removed these, then placed the cakes back into the SGFC. So they've been in the SGFC for a week now after the 2nd dunk and no pins. What do you think might be the problem?

4 days ago when I realized I was maybe over misting I decided to not mist for 2 days. I now only do 2 misting sessions a day with light misting then a bit of fanning, then leave the lid open for a couple of hours. I mist when I notice the cakes start to dry. RH is at 99%. The cakes get 12h of light using 2 6500K light bulbs with 2452 lux each. One lamp on the top the other on the side. Perlite is about 10 cm deep. SGFC is built almost to the T. Except the holes I think I should have made them a bit wider, they're only 4mm. Couldn't bother to go buy the right drill at the time. Now I regret.

The weight results of my first harvest were 131g fresh, when properly dried (cracker dried) turned into 8.25g. These are now stored in a glass jar with gel silica to absorb any leftover moisture.

I know I have a very long way to go until I am satisfied with my cultivation skills of course. That is why I need some feedback regarding the problems I'm facing. Thank you.


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Re: My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26583531 - 04/07/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely could be too wet. Those dark stripes on the stems are usually from too much water.

Why did you pick off so many pins????


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Re: My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26583745 - 04/07/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I picked all those pins because I thought those pins would also grow short. I felt like starting over. So you think if I left those pins untouched and just reduced the misting all those pins could have grown into bigger mushrooms?

You think the overmisting might also be causing the other 8 cakes not to fruit?


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Re: My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26583897 - 04/07/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’ve never really done cakes so idk about maintaining them, but those pins definitely would’ve gotten bigger.


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26597710 - 04/13/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just a pic of the 2nd flush of Transkei cakes:



Not much to show but I feel happy for these.

Thai Pink Buffalo cakes I guess they died. The mushroom smell was gone and changed to what seemed an acidic smell. The cakes felt squishy when I grabbed them. Alseo they turned yellow and some areas were orange even. So I tossed those.

Mazatapec cakes look ok. No yellow, no bruising, not squishy. But the few pins it produces seem like mutants and then always turn into aborts and then I guess the mycelium reclaims them back. I'll just keep these cakes in the SGFC until they go bad. Maybe eventually they will decide someday to produce proper fruits. Here's a pic of a few of those mutant / aborts:



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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26780274 - 06/24/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I too took the "mist until glistening with moisture" advice too seriously on my first grow that I just completed. Was wondering why my bottom pins looked so funny and then realized they had a layer of white goop covering them from bacteria collecting in the water at the base...  :shake:

I guess its just a matter of learning. Still got a decent 18 grams dry off off 2 cakes though  :shrug:

Good job on your first grow!


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26780581 - 06/24/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Still got a decent 18 grams dry off off 2 cakes though  :shrug:



Is that yield calculated across multiple flushes per cake or just the first flush?
You don't happen to have pics of those cakes? I can't seem to produce more than 5g dried per cake/flush and even then it's one heck of a flush to produce 90-100g fresh per cake.


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26780675 - 06/24/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Cool pics man :popcorn:


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Mateja]
    #26782237 - 06/25/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My bad I made a typo - I got 18 dry from 4 cakes total throughout multiple flushes. I was looking at my FC while writing my last comment and theres only 2 cakes left in it so my brain filled in the comment with the number 2 instead of 4.

Sorry about that - also I don't have any pictures asides from while they were pinning. The picture in my sig is from the second flush of one of the cakes though  :laugh:


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Mateja]
    #26793555 - 06/30/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Prolly due to your trash knowledge on the matter. Have fun.


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Lu-Kthu]
    #26794303 - 06/30/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Lu-Kthu]
    #26800110 - 07/02/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I be smellin some insecurity...


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Re: 1st harvest: tiny mushrooms. Why? (pics) [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26810949 - 07/08/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still waiting on my first harvest, so you're ahead of me, but I decided I didn't like cakes after my first 2 turned green and made a shoebox with 3 of my other cake jars.

They're mazatapec and pinning right now, and the pins look nothing like the ones I see on your cakes. I can't say why, but here's a pic if you want to see how they look..

This is 12 days since I grated the cakes into cvg.


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Re: My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #27484779 - 09/28/21 06:56 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Nice job on having something to harvest.

In the past year I’ve tried three times but my first two attempts never grew so I threw them out.

I spent over a week waiting fro mycelium and I gave up hope and threw them out.

Now out of 12. Of cakes I have 5 ready to fruit and 4 that are way behind. But I moved the. Out and placed them under the sink.

Then all of the sudden the mycelium growth speeded up.

I was surprised I thought they would have died becasue they weren’t incubating.

Now out of my 5 cakes I got one suspected pin which I’m worried I might of aborted becasue I had to move the whole of cake to find it.

Duh...

But I’m at 100% humidity and 85 degrees Fahrenheit.

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On accident I threw out my perlite and used a black garbage bag inside with water behind the liner.
And the humidity is way high.
I got worried at first but I read mushrooms grow well in high humidity.

I just get worried about the water that gathers on the bottom of the lid dripping off onto the of cakes and causing aborts.

But do to a lack of perlite I can’t take the bag out and mitigate.

So I’m stuck with a rain jungle.

It’s cool I guess.
Just getting stressed becasue aborts are also illegal in some states.

I don’t believe in aborts.

And if aborts believed in themselves maybe they could grow to mature mushrooms that are fun to throw away becasue I got the kind that are cool to look at



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Re: My 1st harvest ever: tiny mushrooms (pics) [Re: Ringsofearth]
    #27484781 - 09/28/21 06:58 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

The last part sounded mean about throwing mushrooms away.

I was just saying they were fun to look at and throw away.

And made a stupid joke.

Not what I meant


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