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Potency Inconsistency
    #26780448 - 06/24/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey yall im not sure why this is happening. I grew some cambodian strained mushrooms and ate them fresh ~3.5g (dried weight) with lemon tea tek and had an intense trip. I dry them with a food dehydrator (has only one heat setting) for ~24 hours and store them in an airtight glass jar in my desk drawer. Fast forward a month i decide to trip again. I took 4g same lemon tea tek but this time i feel nothing. Anyone know why i didnt feel anything or why the potency might have disappeared?

Ive had a few experiences like this where if i eat it fresh there is def a trip but once i dry it there doesnt seem to be any effect? I know that drying at high temps doesnt affect potency so im not sure whats going on


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: papermonst3r]
    #26780739 - 06/24/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Could be something as simple as working with multispore. When growing with multispore and not using any kind of isolation methods, you end up growing an array of mushrooms. You’ve probably noticed tall, short, skinnier, fatter specimens in your grows. Potency can also vary drastically with these fruits. It’s always best to work with agar or at least clone a potent fruit in order to gain more consistent fruiting results. Aside from that, other factors could be any potential prescriptions you’re taking or even amount of food ingested if any before each trip. Just my 2 cents


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: JaredTheJeweler] * 1
    #26780792 - 06/25/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fresh are always way stronger.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
    #26780957 - 06/25/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Does it make sense though to have high effects eating it fresh but none dry? Like i would expect the dry to have some effect even if its not as strong as fresh


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: papermonst3r]
    #26781146 - 06/25/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

IMO, over maturation is the number one culprit of reduced potency. Do you have any pics of the fresh mushies you ate and the dried ones.

I always try and harvest as soon as the viel tears..or even before...even if that means I'm harvesting the tub over multiple days..just a few mushrooms at a time.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: papermonst3r] * 2
    #26781165 - 06/25/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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IMO, over maturation is the number one culprit of reduced potency. Do you have any pics of the fresh mushies you ate and the dried ones.

I always try and harvest as soon as the viel tears..or even before...even if that means I'm harvesting the tub over multiple days..just a few mushrooms at a time.




I find maturation has literally nothing to do with potency. And spores don't taste bad. Certainly not nearly as bad as cubes already taste.

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Does it make sense though to have high effects eating it fresh but none dry? Like i would expect the dry to have some effect even if its not as strong as fresh



Set and setting
What you ate earlier
Potency varies with MS grows


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26781542 - 06/25/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Couldn’t it also be that they were high in psilocin and low in psilocybin?

Psilocin is supposed to be lost during drying but I think there’s usually not much compared to psilocybin.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: A.k.a]
    #26781623 - 06/25/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ate 50g fresh once, thinking it would be equivalent to 5g dry.
Ha, no. Closer to 100g dry.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26781651 - 06/25/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Ate 50g fresh once, thinking it would be equivalent to 5g dry.
Ha, no. Closer to 100g dry.



whoa! this has me intrigued... any others with comparisons of wet potency to dry?


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: A.k.a]
    #26783424 - 06/25/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Set and setting
What you ate earlier
Potency varies with MS grows




What do you mean set and setting?

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Couldn’t it also be that they were high in psilocin and low in psilocybin?

Psilocin is supposed to be lost during drying but I think there’s usually not much compared to psilocybin.




Is there a way to dry the shrooms without losing Psilocin? Also I thought that lemon tek would break down psilocybin and convert it to Psilocin? Anyway, if psilocin is lost during the drying process then wouldn't that mean there really woulnd't be a noticeable effect?


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
    #26783531 - 06/26/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Fresh are always way stronger.




This. Theres always potency loss when drying, even using a dehydrator. If u want max potency, u eat fresh right off the substrate.

Drying destroys the delicate psilocin. Theres no way around it except eating fresh.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26783542 - 06/26/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How are you growing? BRF cakes, bulk, what?

When grown from Multispore, most domesticated varieties are gonna be potent enough but what they won't have is consistency. Potency from MS can vary from grow to grow, flush to flush or even fruit to fruit.


If you want consistent potency the easiest was is to clone. Keep taking clones and testing them out until you find a solid fruiter with the potency you desire. Then store your live culture on a slant and master plate. 

What are you storing them in after you dry them? Go check your stash, if they bend/don't snap or crumble they are losing potency.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26783570 - 06/26/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ate 50g fresh once, thinking it would be equivalent to 5g dry.
Ha, no. Closer to 100g dry.



whoa! this has me intrigued... any others with comparisons of wet potency to dry?



Depends on the water content of the mushrooms. My ecuadors have been around 92-93% so that would make 36g wet 2.8g dry,  but the effect may be the same as 3.6g dried because of the psilocin. No real way to know. However I would say it is very rare that 50g fresh non-PE cubes would be closer to 10g dry than 5g. Typical water content for cubes is 92-94% so remember that.


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: mushpunx]
    #26783576 - 06/26/20 03:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

RR talked about literally throwing on them on the grill with plenty potency:shrug:


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Re: Potency Inconsistency [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26783708 - 06/26/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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LadysKnight said:
Ate 50g fresh once, thinking it would be equivalent to 5g dry.
Ha, no. Closer to 100g dry.



whoa! this has me intrigued... any others with comparisons of wet potency to dry?



Depends on the water content of the mushrooms. My ecuadors have been around 92-93% so that would make 36g wet 2.8g dry,  but the effect may be the same as 3.6g dried because of the psilocin. No real way to know. However I would say it is very rare that 50g fresh non-PE cubes would be closer to 10g dry than 5g. Typical water content for cubes is 92-94% so remember that.




See, that's the same logic that I fell for.
It sounds like you need to try it.


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