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Re: Bad trip that ended in violence - looking for answers [Re: wolf8312]
    #26778721 - 06/24/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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They air lifted him out of the field right behind the Catholic church across the street and he survived with some permanent brain damage (as far as I know, I didn't keep in contact with these folk).

The girl was cousins with the guy who beat the other guy with a bat, and she was quite lesbian (short hair, mens clothes, etc.)




Out of interest what do you personally believe caused him to get violent?




To be a bit more detailed (I didn't give out all the info because its just been so long and my memory is not as sharp as it was) she wasn't the only bad apple in the bunch who was telling him to go out and beat this guy, she was just the most vocal (probably 4 or 5 people who were antagonizing the guy). Peer pressure to not look like a bitch? Fight or flight response? Just repetitive thinking about an unjust situation that fomented anger? Broken home? I couldn't really give an answer without his input. I know these two guys were childhood best friends though, and that violence wasn't a common characteristic for them. Both were violent though on mushrooms that day, one hit that girl pretty hard in the back of the head with a flashlight, and the other one hit his best friend in the back of the head with a bat 4 or 5 times in retribution.

Consider Mesoamerican cultures. The Mayan were depicted with mushrooms in their scenes of human sacrifice, I believe the same is true for the Zapotec.


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Re: Bad trip that ended in violence - looking for answers [Re: Mugnath] * 1
    #26779681 - 06/24/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've felt threatened before on mushrooms and become violent, which is very unlike me. I hadn't been in a fight since high school about 20 years before. But if the stars align in just the wrong way people can and do lose their shit. Once I got away from the person and situation everything was fine and I chilled out. But in the moment the animal brain really took over. There wasn't any real consequences from that nice for me, but it was a clear reminder about set and setting. Had I been sober I would had diffused the situation easily without all the drama.


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Re: Bad trip that ended in violence - looking for answers [Re: Northerner]
    #26780429 - 06/24/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I've felt threatened before on mushrooms and become violent, which is very unlike me. I hadn't been in a fight since high school about 20 years before. But if the stars align in just the wrong way people can and do lose their shit. Once I got away from the person and situation everything was fine and I chilled out. But in the moment the animal brain really took over. There wasn't any real consequences from that nice for me, but it was a clear reminder about set and setting. Had I been sober I would had diffused the situation easily without all the drama.





Had a similar thing. I was with my drunk friend once but where he was drunk and I was tripping.

Ordinarily if I was drunk too, we would sometimes play fight (it was actually just fighting really though no shots to the head).

Anyway when he started up, despite my being adamant I didn't want to fight (it seemed ridiculous in that state of mind which was truly peaceful and non-violent on my part) he persisted which led to a very ugly scene in which we fought for real and both became very upset with me needing to remind him I was tripping. It wasn't his fault he just didn't realize the dynamic had shifted...

As you say it's a very unwise idea to corner a person who is on a psychedelic (luckily I wasn't tripping that much by that point) as it can cause animal reactions. I can only imagine what my reaction may have been had he been a stranger or someone I didn't know and trust though. Or what his reaction would have been to my slamming his head into a wall, and how I would have reacted to any escalation on his part (and so on and so on) after that. A fight to the fricking death!

I learned after that to stay the hell away from drunks when tripping!


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Re: Bad trip that ended in violence - looking for answers [Re: wolf8312]
    #26781339 - 06/25/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I learned after that to stay the hell away from drunks when tripping




Word to the wise...very good advice.


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Re: Bad trip that ended in violence - looking for answers [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #26786312 - 06/27/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Reminds me of Fear and Loathing. What in the hell are these goddamn animals!?


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