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Lophosaurus
suruasohpol


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26894662 - 08/23/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What needs to be done about the fires?
According to Trump we just need to sweep our millions of acres of forest floors every year, like that is every possible. Even if we found the man power and money to pay the forest sweepers then doing so would strip the forest of nutrients and what would we do with the debris?
Unfortunately, and I hope I'm wrong, but it seems as if the world is out of balance and might be too far gone to come back. Our planets ecosystem is extremely fragile and we are in the middle of a mass extinction.
All the plants and animals are dependent on each other. Like if we kill all the buffalo, then the seeds that they spread don't spread and sprout. The butterflys that eat those sprouts starve. The animals that eat the butterflies die. If we cut down all the oak trees, then the bees don't have pollen when the oaks are supposed to release it. Then the bees starve that time of year and can't pollinate other plants.
Those are bad examples because they are completely made up, but that is basically how the earth stays alive and we are fucking it up. Not just plants and animals, but also making extra heat, polluting water, dumping oil in the gulf, releasing radiation through Fukishima, releasing methane from the ocean, and so on. Too many people and too many dumb people.
This all has an effect on the climate and now we are seeing it start to fuck us over. Fires in Cali, 2 hurricanes at the same time in the Gulf, droughts and floods all over. If humans made major sacrifice, had the right leaders, and really tried, then we might be able to reverse this, but no one is willing to change.
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jewunit
Brutal!


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26894673 - 08/23/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I'm gonna get a palm tattoo. Something about the relative impermanence is appealing.
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Lophosaurus
suruasohpol


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: jewunit]
#26894679 - 08/23/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds cool! Would be even cooler if you let Shroomery pick the design!
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jewunit
Brutal!


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
#26894681 - 08/23/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Absolutely not.
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Cosmic_Flame
THE BREAKFAST EMPRESS



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: jewunit] 1
#26894718 - 08/23/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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party in discord! late night basically morning hang outs!
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Niffla



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26895362 - 08/23/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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damn y'all were still at it at 4 am? nice
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cannabinated



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Niffla]
#26895418 - 08/23/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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water retention, native plants, mulch, terracing, is the only way to combat wildfires
neighborhoods in the mountains need to be surrounded with every measure of natural fire suppression
charcoal will hold hella moisture and release nutrients tho and revive the landscape
the main focus should be replenishing endangered plants
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birdeatingspider
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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: cannabinated]
#26895586 - 08/23/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is stopping this?
Perhaps its time to take matters into civilian hands.
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PatrickKn


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#26895800 - 08/23/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Part of the problem is that we've fought fires that were happening naturally for so long that tree density increased in major untapped forests. We set up logging routes along the edges of forests (and in the US, some places not very much logging activity at all), but not within forests. Would be better to clear patches that separate chunks of forest so that if fires do happen naturally, or because of dry conditions that aren't normal to an area, they stop burning by a specific point because there is no foliage for x meters.
Between those areas is where terracing and water retention become important. Could literally set up grids that are fire resistant and add to biodiversity of existing forests rather than kill it.
There are theories that the Amazon rainforest was largely developed by humans because of the unusually high density of food bearing trees and the way in which the older growth is situated. It's an interesting thought that the densest forest might have been managed in tribal sections at one point.
Edited by PatrickKn (08/23/20 06:29 PM)
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PatrickKn


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Lophosaurus] 4
#26895808 - 08/23/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: No shit? Like an emergency surgery? Either way good luck dude. Try not to think too much I know the hospital is boring a fuck. 
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birdeatingspider said: Patrick- My next door neighbor had to suddenly get her appendix removed yesterday. Sounds like it was caught in time, I hope? Wishing you Quick Heal.
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Lophosaurus said: Hope you're doing well and hope everything goes smoothly! Please give us the details when you're feeling up for it.
Surgery went good! Clean with no complications. Hurts worse now than when I had an appendix though. Haven't used any of the Oxycodones yet because it's been like 2 days since my last bowel movement (TMI!).
Wasn't a typical appendicitis though. Normally it gets clogged through the intestine and just builds up. Mine was literally fatty tissue around the outside of my intestine that wrapped around my appendix and cut it off from circulation. Surgeon said he's done hundreds of the same surgery and never seen that. Also made my appendix look way larger than normal on the ct scan, which surprised them because I wasn't in a whole lot of pain. The fatty tissue explained why it was so large but not as painful though.
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IslandShroomer
The Other One



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: PatrickKn] 2
#26896178 - 08/23/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark Side of The Moon. Every mushroom trip. Never gets old.
What happened to LNC? Place has been quiet.
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Cosmic_Flame
THE BREAKFAST EMPRESS



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: IslandShroomer]
#26896360 - 08/24/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"cosmos without hatred, diamond stars of cosmic light, quasars shine through endless nights"
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IslandShroomer
The Other One



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26896362 - 08/24/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ha also appropriate.
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SARAtonin
Violent Dreams


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: IslandShroomer]
#26896505 - 08/24/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wanna go for a run but the air quality is shot.
I also want something cheesy, not sure what though but it gives me plenty to think on.
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tyrannicalrex
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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: SARAtonin]
#26896538 - 08/24/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cheese enchiladas with red chili sauce, black beans and rice?
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SARAtonin
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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26896549 - 08/24/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Possibly... I had Mexican yesterday.
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PatrickKn


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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: SARAtonin]
#26896553 - 08/24/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Add ricotta cheese and spinach to enchilada filling.
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tyrannicalrex
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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: PatrickKn]
#26896563 - 08/24/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ohhh, florentine, yes! Spin salad with candied walnuts, pears, feta, and a vinaigrette dressing. Maybe add some grilled chicken?
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ninja cat 09
A paranoid android



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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26896590 - 08/24/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're breathing the air anyways, aren't you SARA? I say go for it! I've started running and despite the bad AQ in my city I feel amazing! I don't know why I ever stopped.
Glad to hear you're doing alright Patrick!
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birdeatingspider
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Re: Musings Divination of Carcosa | EMC / MDC / LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: ninja cat 09]
#26896844 - 08/24/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you,Loph and Patrick for elaborating on this climate issue. IIRC, is natural resource management along your career path? It's interesting, 'Forestry' always seemed like an evil, tree murdering position of doom. Wasnt until I lived in Missoula in a house with a bunch of guys studying at the University- its,quite the opposite. The misconceptions I had were further from the truth, and I was educated on the intricate dynamics of forest and land health.
So I suppose I figure with all this great science, why cant we get a handle on these devastating, yearly fires? What I'm alluding to is, is there some sort of government hang up? Because I thought Cali and CO had intact state government(wise to conservative means).
It breaks my heart. When Sandy devastated the coast, people rallied together and rebuild the beach. My states ODs have ravaged like, well, wildfire. Via a Find Hope campaign, citizens organized a walk to end opioid addiction. My round about point is that I'm sure the people have cleaned up and planted trees, after all, rebuilding a beach is quite different from tackling climate change. Much like the rainforests' destruction.. Wish there was,more, especially with the decades of research we have underfoot.
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