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Violence Never Accomplishes Anything 1
#26778017 - 06/23/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You hear this all the time. Many people discuss it on this forum. It is pushed on us like it's true. However, society uses violence as a primary means to accomplish most stuff. Why do cops carry guns? Why do the liberal protesters protesting the police throw rocks and burn down buildings? It is because violence is an effective tool. It is what keeps you safe in your home at night...violence or the threat of violence. Imagine if we went into World War 2 thinking we were too high minded to use violence against formidable and merciless enemies who showed little compassion. Violence is why we have a little safety and the illusion of freedom. Violence has settled every major disagreement in history. Without violence we would live short lives and have no freedom.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778051 - 06/23/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not one person commits psychological or physical violence in paradise.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Pinkerton]
#26778057 - 06/23/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That kind of paradise is fantasy only.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Pinkerton]
#26778063 - 06/23/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would be interested to know it's location.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778080 - 06/23/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would be interested to know it's location.
There are no guns in paradise, so I don't think so.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778085 - 06/23/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Violence solves a lot of things. It just depends on what side of it you’re on.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Pinkerton]
#26778142 - 06/23/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said: I would be interested to know it's location.
There are no guns in paradise, so I don't think so. 
Oh come on...a few gallons of gasoline...some ammonium nitrate fertilizer and a decent high powered rifle with a good scope would liven things up a bit. Napalm and TNT would be better but I'm no longer allowed access to the good shit.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778154 - 06/23/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I was a kid, I used to make nasty bombs with dry pool chlorine (chloride?).
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Tripping accomplishes everything. If I consumed mescaline right now with no ill repercussions I would make OC look like a little kid again. A neurotic kid begging for mercy thinking he has done something bad with the nasty bombs, as I slash his logic with a razorsharp blade called awareness. But of course as a true empath I would make him wiser than me.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778416 - 06/24/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A show of Force which may carry a threat of Violence is often cited as an element of Peacekeeping, but it is really about domination, and fear by those in charge of the display.
there really is no need of it unless we want to dominate or be dominated
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26778471 - 06/24/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A show of Force

Like this?
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not as tough as an outright bluff, but tough enough stuff to get rough
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A show of Force

Like this?
I don't get it. Is that you, Lunar, me and rgv? I know you're in it and myself but the rest I'm only guessing! I guess I'm number three, Icey wrote he was no 1 in a post somewhere and he wrote he was looking at me through the scope when I was batty, so he may be inside my brain as well. Lunar is the ringleader and you're the cardshark. RGV is a wildcard. The Dip??? FWG is not in it and definitely not MtG, no offence. Care to enlighten the retarded kid you like to mock in a horrible way? The stewdent feels ready. 
Holy fuck this was a horrible time. But I came back for more...
My lifeforce and energizing mind (on a good day) is built for this show.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26778983 - 06/24/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Without violence we would live short lives and have no freedom.
Because of violence?
Seems like people have different opinions on who the aggressor is.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Rahz]
#26779055 - 06/24/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Without violence we would live short lives and have no freedom.
Because of violence? Seems like people have different opinions on who the aggressor is.
maybe they have need of brutal confrontation or they wither hopelessly. makes no sense to me
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26779341 - 06/24/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find that this boils down to consent. If someone wants to be violent, great, join a fighting club. Hell, if you want to do war and fight others with guns, great, but don’t involve those who aren’t in consent and don’t fund the war any other way than how other organizations fund themselves. Printing money/stealing money is the real violence. Sport is fun.
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I too was a teenage bomb maker. I got a bootleg copy of the Improvised Munitions Handbook from Paladin press...Id get potassium chlorate from the pharmacy (they'd order it for my school science project) use a rolling pin to reduce it to fine powder...add one part Vaseline...you got improvised plastic explosives...excellent for shaped charges.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26780238 - 06/24/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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sounds messy you know how to work a back hoe?
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26780287 - 06/24/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No...but I did learn to drive a Russian T72 tank once...prob similar. Now my teenage bombs were ill advised, but I never blew up anything but a little dirt thankfully.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26781098 - 06/25/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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a backhoe can move more dirt more masterfully than fireworks can.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26781932 - 06/25/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: a backhoe can move more dirt more masterfully than fireworks can.
Not as much fun though...
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Speaking of fun I think I want to run 5 miles a day and drink my spirulina smoothie. It's not fun but it's funner than depression and evil running thoughts.
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well you can disconnect the muffler
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783045 - 06/25/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: a backhoe can move more dirt more masterfully than fireworks can.
That is true...buy me a backhoe and I will do wonders.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783076 - 06/25/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Build me a Mx track and we gotta deal
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783322 - 06/25/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm listening, start talking about your wonders.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783323 - 06/25/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buy the backhoe first
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783595 - 06/26/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got it!
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26783806 - 06/26/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it means that actually "pushing the button", isn't necessarily ideal or predictable, and that maybe the threat of pushing the button, along with more minor retaliations can help to reduce hazards.
Or just that going balls deep is dangerous.
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Massive Retaliation
Massive Retaliation was an all-or-nothing strategy. It was the threat to turn the Soviet Union into a smoking, radiating ruin at the end of two hours. By making nuclear war too destructive to fight, by making the distinction between victor and loser in such a conflict increasingly meaningless, the deterrent strategy aimed at eliminating war itself. Furthermore, and more concretely Massive Retaliation meant the possible deterrence of an all-out attack. Massive Retaliation reflected a policy of "brinkmanship." The expectation was that by going to the "brink of war" the United States would be able to deter future Koreas.
To what extent was Massive Retaliation able to contain limited challenges? It turned out that the threat of Massive Retaliation could not prevent limited challenges. It was not an effective foreign policy tool to deal with everyday problems. Short of an ultimate provocation, the Soviet Union could raise tensions and challenge the U.S. as the Korean War already had shown and future crises involving Berlin would again prove. In other words, more limited responses were necessary to deal with less-than-total challenges.
The Soviet Union successfully tested American resolve several times. On 17 June 1953 it suppressed an anti-Communist revolt in East Berlin and in late 1956 it suppressed a national uprising in Hungary.
From Massive Retaliation to Flexible Response
A nuclear power in charge of an alliance has to deter the opponent and to reassure the allies. The alternative to reassuring U.S. allies would have been for Europeans to produce nuclear weapons themselves and create core deterrence themselves either on a national basis or in cooperation with other Europeans. It also would have meant that the Germans would have gotten a finger on the nuclear button
From the perspective of the United States, nuclear parity and territorial vulnerability required the adoption of a new strategy. The Kennedy administration accepted a new strategy, called Flexible Response.
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/cold-war/strategy/strategy-massive retaliation.htm
Unfortunately Kennedy's flexible response pretty much led to the military industrial complex, but perhaps if he had lived he could have tamed it.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: sudly]
#26783845 - 06/26/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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out of control
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: redgreenvines]
#26783882 - 06/26/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: sudly]
#26784025 - 06/26/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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like those dreams where you suddenly find yourself careening down the highway at 90mph ...
But no ones in the drivers seat.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26786185 - 06/27/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't know that. I bought Improvised Munitions from a local Army-Navy store. I still have a couple of pounds of an original 5 lb. jar of Potassium Chlorate from high school. After my last CO₂ cartridge rocket exploded with unprecedented force (I foolishly added some of that Chlorate to a Zinc & Sulphur fuel that did not require an oxidizer) I stopped with the ordnance pyrotechnics. Improvised platique exscaped me. I was taken by the McGyverish extraction of nitrates from barnyard soil! What do you detonate it with w/o a fulminate squib?
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I used m80 and firecracker fireworks to detonate. I wasn't interested in reinventing the wheel...just blowing shit up. Certainly wasn't fucking with fulminate of mercury. I did try to obtain a copy of that handbook while in the army. Went to the education center and asked to check it out. I had a secret security clearance...I was told top secret clearance was needed...I told them that I owned a copy in Kentucky...they said it was a bootleg and likely very out of date.
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Re: Violence Never Accomplishes Anything [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26788469 - 06/27/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heat + pressure + explosives = bang
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