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Hyphal knots/primordia?
#26777750 - 06/23/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure I'm the millionth person to ask, but can someone verify these are knots? I've been lurking and learning.. this is my first birthed jar.


 https://files.shroomery.org/files/20-26/296521606-20200623_170636.jpg

*edit* Birthed Sunday 21 June 2020 at appx 3:30 pm PST. Kept forgetting to add that useful info
*facepalm*.... another edit. Hawaiian PES
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26777911 - 06/23/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don’t know how long ago you birthed your cake(s), but you have yet to get any hyphal knots. The mycelium is just now starting to puff out and get ready to form the knots. BRF cakes normally take 7-14 days before they show any signs of primordia or pinning. Go look at my recent thread entitled “Treasure Coast Pt. 2” and the last post is a good example of primordia and hyphal knotting
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26778374 - 06/24/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Knot tend to be a little bigger.

All those dots here are knots.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26778546 - 06/24/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, that tray of yours looks like it's doing great. I like your focus on consistency too.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26779893 - 06/24/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The more I look at pictures of knots, the more I come to the conclusion I should just take pictures of mine and compare... pics look way different than reality. It'd be cool to see like day to day pictures of growth.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26779940 - 06/24/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another picture of knots. (For comparison)
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Zen999]
#26779972 - 06/24/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Taking pictures and comparing to other pictures is the way to go.
Especially with stuff like water beads on the surface, pictures show stuff way more clearly.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26780017 - 06/24/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some Knott's.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Sockadin]
#26780112 - 06/24/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The knots specifically being the bright white dots?
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26780118 - 06/24/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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or like beige in your pic sock
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26780213 - 06/24/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Both. They start out white but sometimes turn yellow or beige as the start to turn to pins.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26780220 - 06/24/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patience sucks lol... can't wait to see all the stages.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26780342 - 06/24/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well you’re like 98% through once you have knots.
One morning you’ll have like 5 pins and then they’ll multiply for a couple days then start doubling in size overnight.
If you’ve had knots for a couple days you’ll prob harvest in a week at most.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26782047 - 06/25/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Just took these. Seeing growth, but is it just fluffy mycelium?
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26782092 - 06/25/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There you go!! That is a prime example of hypha knotting starting to form
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26782177 - 06/25/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's news I needed today! Wish I had started this a decade ago, every bit of it is amazing.. just snapped some pics of the other jars I have colonizing, it's cool to see the growth from day to day.

Inoculated 8 days ago, 17 June 2020
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26782191 - 06/25/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can see the rhizos and easily identify that.. if I get into growing like I think I'm going to, I'll do a day by day from birthing to pins. I've looked but can't find anything that really helps me understand and identify knots..
I think I have it and maybe I just need to see it actually happen, but I know I'm not the only one confused.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26783201 - 06/25/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once you go through a couple grows, and see hyphal knotting in different circumstances, it will be very evident to you. I don’t know how many jars you inoculated, but I recommend you do a mono tub next. You will get better yields, and the process happens a bit faster. You can go through some of my previous posts and collect the info you need to do a monotub. Or, obviously look around on here!
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26783273 - 06/25/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was leaning more towards multiple shoeboxes.. but I have all the stuff for wbs jars and either 1 monotub or a few shoeboxes. Figured I'd do brf first since it seems to be the recommended beginner tek.
I will probably use a few cakes for shoeboxes with cvg too.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26783277 - 06/25/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have only tried WBS once and it didn’t work for me.. I use bed cakes then crush them and add to substrate. It’s easy af and almost foolproof. I may do WBS eventually, but why change what works right?
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26783281 - 06/25/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally I think shoeboxes are way easier than fruiting cakes.
The nice thing about grain is you can shake it to speed things up. It might have more nutrition too but I’m not sure on that.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jazzycnt]
#26783285 - 06/25/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Totally agree. Agar is my endgame, but I have to play some to find what works.
The wbs tek seems straightforward, but I gotta collect some spores first (hopefully).
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26783293 - 06/25/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah A.k.a, cakes seem like more work than necessary. I can be sterile, so bulk just sounds better.
I'm learning something though. That's something
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26803728 - 07/04/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shoebox I made from a few of my cakes. This is 8 days in.

Hoping to see pins in the next few days
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26806940 - 07/06/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26806944 - 07/06/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: F. 3]
#26809343 - 07/07/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So cool to see them pop up.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26810938 - 07/08/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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12 days since making the shoebox. My A/C is broken (which isn't fun) so they're a little hotter than I'd like (85 Fahrenheit on average), but they're steady growing.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26810956 - 07/08/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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they look wet and the myc looks matted get them to cooler temps quit misting ad give sum air👍👍
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jcm4620]
#26810961 - 07/08/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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just misted then took the pic.. hard to cool shit down too.. I'm dying here lol. There's a fan running though.
Also, the quick searches I just ran suggest that matting is a result of too dry a surface... so which is it? Matting or too wet?
Or could it just be camera angle + flash + water on surface? Here's 2 more taken at the same time
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26810969 - 07/08/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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both
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: jcm4620]
#26810973 - 07/08/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Again... how can it be both if they are mutually exclusive?
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26810986 - 07/08/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ime matting usually happens when the myc gets too dry. Even just one time and then it’s never the same. Once it dries out it won’t hold water right.
Too wet will do it too but it seems to be a little different. Basically too far in either direction can cause matting.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26810990 - 07/08/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's pinning and they're growing.. should I be worried?
And thanks for an answer with actually info aka
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26827668 - 07/16/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26827682 - 07/16/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are some solid shrooms
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26828213 - 07/17/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just glad I got something and can get a print. Learned a lot from this box
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26828273 - 07/17/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know the feeling.
Just keep the humidity way up next time and you’ll have a canopy.
Lol I was just so relieved to get enough to trip finally my first tub. Looks like enough for a serious trip as long as they’re decent potency.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26829167 - 07/17/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Should be. Around 6 grams dry. Waiting on the caps I printed to dry for a final tally.
Going to eat 2 grams to start tonight just to get an idea, and will probably ramp up. It's been a while but I used to eat 5+.
Have 2 Ecuador boxes that should start pinning any day now, they look good so far.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26829314 - 07/17/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yeah, the next 2 tubs I'm just leaving the lids on. I was anxious for this first one and have seen how I negatively affected it by "mothering"
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26829319 - 07/17/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got my first syringe made. Done in a SAB, so hopefully its good.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26831047 - 07/18/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In 66 days maybe I can trade some spore prints. I took 2, think I'll save the 2nd one
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26836521 - 07/21/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm such a cheap ass, and I weld for a living. So I'm going to see how my homemade scalpels work for agar.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: Cegda]
#26836572 - 07/21/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol I’m sure they’ll be fine.
I’d definitely want to take off at least half that razor though.
I took a welding class a while back that stuffs fun.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26836726 - 07/21/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, someone else mentioned reducing the profile, i was thinking more about welding the blade to the stainless handle and not having it break. I can grind them all down in about 5 minutes though so easy modification.
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Re: Hyphal knots/primordia? [Re: A.k.a]
#26836727 - 07/21/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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next time I'll weld it closer to the edge and get a it even smaller. Or hell, I can just redo them tomorrow, its gonna be a few days before I need them. I'm just seeing knots in my new boxes.
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