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OfflineHamHead
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Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines * 1
    #26777377 - 06/23/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's where I belong.

Way outside of this echo chamber.



:cheers:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26777390 - 06/23/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



Let’s make babies and run away together.

:awedance:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26777610 - 06/23/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26777704 - 06/23/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LikeMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.




:cookiemonster:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26777709 - 06/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LikeMyc said:
It's not that serious.



:rofl2:


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OfflineLikeMyc
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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
    #26777714 - 06/23/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks!
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

LikeMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.




:cookiemonster:



:thanx:


Quote:

Spicemaster said:
Quote:

LikeMyc said:
It's not that serious.



:rofl2:




:lol:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26777909 - 06/23/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

See, I don't know where to post things without getting banned. Lots of misinformation being spread. I guess I could add like warning signs and spoilers, to protect other peoples eyes from my spewwing nonsense I pull from interwebz.

Cool?

First official warning. My next post is view at your own risk.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26777954 - 06/23/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

93 years old. He got his extra 25 years. And then some.

The only person to win two unshared Nobel Prizes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling


You didn't have to look. Don't blame me for your clicky.

:cheers:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (06/23/20 10:05 PM)


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26778150 - 06/23/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:


Let’s make babies and run away together.

:awedance:




:creepylurker:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26778524 - 06/24/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LikeMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.




excuse me but after all this years on shroomery still not sure what "OP" means, can anyone give me a honest and interesting definition of what that abreviation means.

It would mean a lot to me.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Spiralspider]
    #26778556 - 06/24/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Standing in line
To see the show tonight
And there's a light on
Heavy glow

By the way
I tried to say
I'll be there
Waiting for

Dani, the girl
Is singing songs to me
Beneath the marquee
Overload

Steakknife
Card Shark
Con Job
Boot Cut

Skin that flick
She's such a little DJ
Get there quick
By street


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Spiralspider] * 1
    #26778563 - 06/24/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It stands for Operating Procedure.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26778586 - 06/24/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Orange Poonany


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc] * 1
    #26778767 - 06/24/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Orangutan Parade


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc] * 2
    #26779041 - 06/24/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LikeMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.



Get used to it. I got all or 99% of my ignores for a cock pic years ago.:shrug:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26779153 - 06/24/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: It's just annoying to see in my profile and I believe it's childish to ignore a percieved problem.

After looking at your profile, I see there are at least 27 people that does not think it is childish. Lol thats a lot of ignores, yet you did not ignore a single person. :leocheers:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26779204 - 06/24/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LikeMyc said:
:lol: It's just annoying to see in my profile and I believe it's childish to ignore a percieved problem.





agreed

one of my ignores was for suggesting shitting in the shower could be good for the environment :lol:


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OfflineLikeMyc
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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: wrestler_az] * 1
    #26779224 - 06/24/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

wrestler_az said:
Quote:

LikeMyc said:
:lol: It's just annoying to see in my profile and I believe it's childish to ignore a percieved problem.





agreed

one of my ignores was for suggesting shitting in the shower could be good for the environment :lol:




Of course it's better for the environment. You save a few gollons of water and toilet paper per shit. :lol:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Spiralspider] * 3
    #26779228 - 06/24/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Spiralspider said:
still not sure what "OP" means




obedient penis


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26779245 - 06/24/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I stay on the outside by still voice my perspective. Even if it plants a seed in someone in an echo chamber, it's something.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Spiralspider] * 4
    #26779288 - 06/24/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Original poster or post or something similar


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
    #26779309 - 06/24/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Original Poster*


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Onlinegopher
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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26779376 - 06/24/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

LikMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.




:cookiemonster:





I think you have to change the name


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

Since Disney has obtained tremendous value from the public domain, knows how important the public domain is, and is firmly determined to never contribute anything to it.

My pronouns are He and Him, and my adjectives are Fat and Jazzy

:kratom:


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: gopher]
    #26779380 - 06/24/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Obstinate Porker

Example: That OP has made a shit thread


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26779790 - 06/24/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You better not look at this.

https://healthchoice.org/lessons-from-the-lockdown/


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26779851 - 06/24/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

the truth is the truth regardless of where and with whom it resonates



the truth does not care about your perception of dialogical dynamics


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: morrowasted]
    #26779873 - 06/24/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

youre back :vaped:


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

Since Disney has obtained tremendous value from the public domain, knows how important the public domain is, and is firmly determined to never contribute anything to it.

My pronouns are He and Him, and my adjectives are Fat and Jazzy

:kratom:


Edited by gopher (06/24/20 04:55 PM)


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: gopher]
    #26779970 - 06/24/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

gopher said:
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

LikMyc said:
Someone ask OP to unignore me. It's not that serious.




:cookiemonster:





I think you have to change the name




Thank you.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26780249 - 06/24/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

gopher said:
youre back :vaped:




:goodluckwiththat:

Pulmonary immunopathology.

Antibody-induced Enhancement.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8218


"Once this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour, you're going to see some serious shit."





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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (06/24/20 08:09 PM)


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26782935 - 06/25/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26786528 - 06/27/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I found this dumpster fire. Gonna watch it burn for a few hours.



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26790017 - 06/28/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If your hand is bigger than your face, you have got the Covid. . .

HA HA, YOU TOUCHED YOUR FACE, YOU GOT COVID NOW!!!

:haha:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26794280 - 06/30/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey koods, this shit better step up its game here quick. Less than a week to go, waiting to see bodies start piling up.



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26797942 - 07/01/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wear your mask!

Wear your mask!

Wear your mask!

:freakout:

Look at all those people getting sick!

Blame all those people who don't wear mask!

They are making everyone sick!

:canthelpbutlaugh:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (07/01/20 10:01 PM)


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26801220 - 07/03/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



:waitthatsbad:

With all these reports of covid cases surges, one would expect to see higher numbers than these.

Yet, politicians are pushing ludicrous mandatory orders for a vaccine to give to healthy children which has not been tested for safety when hard data is clearly showing children are least to succumb. Nevermind the 99.74% recovery rate.

When will we wake up and realize we are being fooled, again.



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26801851 - 07/03/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-creates-strike-teams-to-enforce-virus-limits/33034900

Whoa boy!

Who's in control here? Strike teams to shut down people's livelihoods for not following guidelines.

Guidelines.

Now they will make law, so people who choose to breath uninhibited, unmasked will be at risk of fine or jail time.


War on drugs?

Childs play.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26801858 - 07/03/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

SIT ON THE SIDE LINEZ BIG DAWG


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: zZZz]
    #26801912 - 07/03/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
SIT ON THE SIDE LINEZ BIG DAWG




:badtrip:

I am, watching government ruin lives.

For an agenda to vaccinate as many human beings because of a coronavirus that at first scared the shit out of us. After data has been accumulated, COVID-19 isn't nearly as lethal as we had first thought. When proper treatments are available, at low cost using medicine that has been used for years, COVID-19 has a higher survival rate than influenza, considering children and young, HEALTHY adults are brushing off with mild symptoms. Nevermind our failed attempts at caring for our elders.

No body is clicking those black bars but your own. Info must be shared. I don't mind self censorship. If you don't like what I have to say, there are ignore options this site offers.

CHEERZ, BIG DAWG!!!


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    #26802466 - 07/03/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Whoa boy, using agar samples for viruses! Yay!

Swing a clean agar dish in open air and see what grows.

Viruses are aerosols, meaning they are suspended in air, not on moisture. Sure, there is humidity, but viruses don't do well in RH >40%, combined with sunlight and viruses have a difficult time surviving in places like Flordia or Texas or Louisiana, unless you lock people inside, increasing exposure to indoor pollution.

If thinking a simple cloth face covering is going to stop an aerosol, vapenado has words with you.

Again, with all these people wearing mask, cases are still soaring, mainly due to a simple fact that we are now testing more people than any other country has throughout this whole ordeal, with many countries not even testing anymore, probably because they realized it wasn't near as bad as projected.

Public health is personal. Because we are not all diabetic and mandatory insulin shots would not be good for many people. Not all of us have COPD and don't require any breathing apparatus just to survive. Everyone doesn't have high blood pressure so drugs to control blood pressure are prescribed. I hope my point here is clear that each of us is different, but I heard once that hope is a boat that sank.

A small group of people should not hold power to dictate health practices for a majority.

Mask should be a choice.

If you live in a high pollution area, it may be advised to wear a mask, to block large particles which have been proven to cause many respiratory issues, from entering your sinuses.

If you want to avoid falling ill, focus on your own health so you can feel confidence when going out unmasked.

Shame people have become increasingly lazy when it comes to their own bodys health.


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    #26802485 - 07/03/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's strange to me how someone cannot grasp the simple concept of doing no harm to others.  Your rights/freedoms/etc become null and void when your choice puts others in danger.

The mask is your choice.  Don't want to use it? STAY HOME.  Want to go outside? work? shop? Be around others? Spend the 2 seconds to put on a mask  and do your part for society and stop being a selfish prick.


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    #26802532 - 07/04/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's strange to me how someone cannot grasp the simple concept of doing no harm to others.  Your rights/freedoms/etc become null and void when your choice puts others in danger.

The mask is your choice.  Don't want to use it? STAY HOME.  Want to go outside? work? shop? Be around others? Spend the 2 seconds to put on a mask  and do your part for society and stop being a selfish prick.




Oh, I grasped the concept back in April, when I was the only one wearing a surgical mask walking around in my local grocery store. I even made a post about tshirt face mask HERE and was told it would not help me.

Our leaders flip flopped on mask. If anyone can remember, there were several top officials saying mask won't help people, because they were in short supply and worried about those using mask where it's actually appropriate such as hospital settings and nursing homes. Even Donald Trump is rarely seen wearing any face coverings, and those around him, though tested probably on a daily basis, are not required to wear face coverings.

That's the thing. If there are laws written to force mask, who will be there to enforce such laws?

We think police have a hard time now, can you imagine how people are going to react when they are told they cannot go to a grocery store without a mask, but can gather in mass protests until late hours, when there is no sunlight to kill viruses, allowing for increased spreading.

Protest have been supported and people don't want to lay blame on peaceful protests and continue to ignore science and data.

I don't have any bags in this game. No body close has died. My mother fell ill in late December, she turns 66 this year. Was down and out of work for a week. She said she had many 'Covid' symptoms and both of us believe that if she were to get an antibody test, she would be positive for Covid19.

Does this mean my mother should be quarantine because she is higher risk and is positive for Covid19?

:teareally:

I'm finding it hard to believe that so many people are following a yellow brick road.


There are many layers to Covid 19. A cloth layer won't protect us from corruption in high places.

Please don't tell me I don't understand how mask work.

I work with a still air box. I'm somewhat aware of air and how it flows, much like water.


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    #26803291 - 07/04/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



DING!!!



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    #26803964 - 07/04/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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DING!!!







Dr. Drew is a charlatan. He literally claimed that public worries about covid19 were caused by media panic, for which he had to publicly apologize in order to save face:

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For weeks, as the rest of the country focused on what to do about the COVID-19 pandemic, celebrity doctor Drew Pinsky downplayed the seriousness of the virus, referring to it as a “press-induced panic” and encouraging people to question official reporting on the topic.





Any doctor willing to publicly associate themselves with Dr. Drew is doing it only to gain public notoriety. The last video you sent me via PM was by an "endocrinologist and hospice care doctor". Translation: testosterone and opioid dealer.

Doctors who want to influence medical opinion and save patient lives share their anecdotes to medical communities like medscape, for which they receive no financial compensation. Doctors (like tv personalities, sham endocrinologists and pain management docs) who need a way to compensate for the income deficit they are presently experiencing due to the relative unwillingness of patients to see a doctor for non life threatening infirmities make youtube videos and podcasts.

Like law and law enforcement, the medical profession has a long history of attracting charlatans and crooks. It has been that way since the beginning of medicine.

Houston contains world's largest and arguably most advanced medical center and medical research complex. The doctors here are literally at the forefront of treatment. The most cutting edge research and medical interventions happen here. Our mortality rate seems to have been notably lower here than elsewhere since the beginning of the pandemic because the most knowledgeable doctors and researchers in the world are headhunted by the TMC to come here. I believe the first remdesivir clinical trials started here. Many of the convalescent plasma trials started here. Trials of even more cutting edge experimental prophylactics like PUL 047 are conducted here.

If there is worthwhile new knowledge or research surfacing within the medical community, there is a significant chance it originated here, and if it did not, there is a 100% chance that it will be widely disseminated and implemented here before it will be in most places.

I am not nearly so closed minded as you seem to be assuming I am in your messages to me. I was an early advocate of IV vitamin C therapy for covid, and I shared a lot of information about alternative pathophysiological hypotheses and remedies in the first 300 pages of the covid19 thread. I am a major advocate for psychedelic use.

I realize that this will seem arrogant, but if you really want to know about the cutting edge of covid19 pathophysiology and treatment, I would encourage you to ask me questions instead of sending me passive agressive messages via PM implying that I am not interested in saving lives simply because I trust the doctors I work with more than the ones producing youtube videos and televsion shows. If you dont want to hear it from me, I can share more trustworthy sources of information with you.


If YOU are interested in saving lives, consider go to medical school or nursing school, or becoming an EMT. The medical professions are extremely rewarding.


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    #26803966 - 07/04/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26804186 - 07/04/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Dr. Drew, along with Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil all shared a similar opinion and the three of them retracted and apologized, correct.

One thing to consider here is, who is paying those mainstream doctors?

I can imagine they may have faced some sort of punishment if they had not apologized, like not being paid anymore.

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And start inhaling your own c02 waste gasses:picard:




:whathesaid:

Fairly high levels even in a bandana.

How does one wear a bandana correctly?

Aren't N95 fit tested?


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    #26804222 - 07/04/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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One thing to consider here is, who is paying those mainstream doctors?


By mainstream you mean real doctors who actually practice medicine? The hospitals are paying them... If by "mainstream" you mean the charlatans (who are decidedly NOT mainstream but cater to a very specific kind of audience), their revenue stream is based on ratings. Most of the time they can keep their revenue stream high by publicizing opinions that give the general public the impression that they're better off listening to them than to their actual doctors, but in the face of a pandemic, you're right, the people they have contracts with probably coerced them into making public apologies because being wrong about a pandemic would have been bad for ratings, since many of the viewers and their families members would inevitably come down sick with and possibly die from COVID19, at which point their trust in Dr. Drew and the likelihood that they would watch his show would have diminished, which would have made it advertisers less interested in buying slots during their shows :shrug:

I wear an n95 facemask with a surgical mask over top for hours on end, 13 hours a day with one 15 minute break and one 30 minute break, if I'm lucky. We all do and have been doing so for quite some time. It isn't comfortable but it's not dangerous. The only people who can't tolerate it are folks with COPD as a result of decades of smoking.


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    #26804250 - 07/04/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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One thing to consider here is, who is paying those mainstream doctors?


By mainstream you mean real doctors who actually practice medicine? The hospitals are paying them...




This is good. What hospital does Dr. Drew work for? I imagine he is too busy doing TV type stuff to have time to see paitents. Yet, hospitals are paying him?

Same with Dr. Phil, who has a TV show called, The Dr. Phil show. What hospital is responsible for his paycheck?

Wearing a mask all day, do you experience headaches?


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    #26804292 - 07/04/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And start inhaling your own c02 waste gasses:picard:




Well shit.  I wonder how your hip surgeon survived paw!


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    #26804438 - 07/04/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

SSSHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!

DON'T TELL ANYONEZ BEFORE A VACCINEZZZ!!!

Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows

THEY'LL HAVE BETTER REZULTZ USING ZINC AS WELL!!!


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    #26832186 - 07/19/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



Oh jeez, I came across these, er, music videos?

I say music videos because there's no commentary or anything, just some visuals.

Here's another one.



:rockon:


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How long have you been a Qanon member?


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    #26832270 - 07/19/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How long have you been a Qanon member?




I just found out, and know nothing about it.

Care to inform?

I'll google while I wait.


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    #26832280 - 07/19/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How long have you been a Qanon member?




I just found out, and know nothing about it.

Care to inform?

I'll google while I wait.




mndfreeze you just radicalized him


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    #26832302 - 07/19/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting.

I've heard of people throwing babies in baths.

I was bathed in a kitchen sink when I was little, to avoid drowning.

Now, I don't agree with everything Donald Trump has said, but as far as pushing to reopen schools, I can agree with.

And there's some points being made in those videos, one that stood out was the 24 years of Clinton/Bush/Obama where Ghislaine Maxwell was not arrested.

Some scary shit going on, real or not.

Lots of CEOs stepping down.


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    #26832315 - 07/19/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



Hell of a job that mask did at keeping drywall particles from entering this mans lungs. Curious at to how long he was working.

Makeshift mask aren't doing much to protect people.

:shrug:

Keep complying, gotta keep that curve flat as cases surge!!!

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    #26832355 - 07/19/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Some scary shit going on, real or not.




i don't know why, but this made me lol.


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    #26832406 - 07/19/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



Within three minutes, he speaks on being hungry for air.

I'm five minutes in, watch along with me!

Let's see what he says.

At 8 minutes, he speaks of CO2 pooling.

Right, so there's going to be a drop in blood oxygen levels, so what happens when there's not enough oxygen being breathed back in to replace it? Within a mask with CO2 pooling?

Wow, now we're simulating breathing in a mask by breathing less air without a mask. A little meditation I see.

Focus on your breath he says.

Which I sorta do on a regular basis, focus on breath and slowing it down.


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    #26832464 - 07/19/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Hell of a job that mask did at keeping drywall particles from entering this mans lungs. Curious at to how long he was working.




Masks aren't meant to prevent you from catching anything, they are meant to keep you from spreading something. I think you're aware of that though at this point, it's been brought up a few times now.

Also, if drywall particles can enter into his face, then oxygen shouldn't be a problem. I guess breathing with a surgical mask really isn't an issue given this, just like it isn't with an actual drywall mask that might prevent drywall particles from entering into your face but not oxygen.


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    #26832470 - 07/19/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Keep me from spreading what?

:teareally:

Are you saying I'm infected?

:thatsracist:

See what I mean?

Keep pointing fingers and ignoring science.

Comply, comply, comply until a vaccine saves us all?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis

TB kills millions.

Why were we not wearing mask all throughout this tuberculosis pandemic?

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Those points address what you believe I implied, but not what I said.


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    #26832597 - 07/19/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

mndfreeze said:
How long have you been a Qanon member?




I just found out, and know nothing about it.

Care to inform?

I'll google while I wait.




mndfreeze you just radicalized him





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    #26832639 - 07/19/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Keep me from spreading what?

:teareally:

Are you saying I'm infected?

:thatsracist:

See what I mean?

Keep pointing fingers and ignoring science.

Comply, comply, comply until a vaccine saves us all?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis

TB kills millions.

Why were we not wearing mask all throughout this tuberculosis pandemic?

:mindblown:


TB isnt endemic to the USA. If it were, I would wear a mask. I do wear a mask when in the presence of someone I know has TB. Again, you keep harping on the existence of other problems. The existence of problems other than covid doesnt mean that covid is not a problem. It just means that more than one problem exists. You totally bailed on the thread you made about pollution after I brought this up. Ignoring people who point out the fallacies in your reasoning and just going to another thread to commit them again is not a good look


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: morrowasted]
    #26832965 - 07/19/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
Masks aren't meant to prevent you from catching anything, they are meant to keep you from spreading something.



Quote:

PatrickKn said:
Those points address what you believe I implied, but not what I said.




What were you implying?

You told me to wear a mask to prevent me from spreading something, which leads me to believe you are under assumptions that I am infected with something.

I'm confused, again.

And what was that about air pollution? It may have gotten lost but I'm still on my soapbox.

If you would be so kind as to provide a link, I may continue whatever conversation was being had.

I'm glad I live in a county where the sherriff isn't enforcing mask. I can go grocery shopping and not get yelled at


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    #26833060 - 07/19/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You told me to wear a mask to prevent me from spreading something



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    #26833067 - 07/19/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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You told me to wear a mask to prevent me from spreading something



I did?




That's what you were implying, no?


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    #26833137 - 07/19/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



Andrew Kaufman.


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    #26833169 - 07/19/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Quote:

PatrickKn said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
You told me to wear a mask to prevent me from spreading something



I did?




That's what you were implying, no?



I brought it up because you were using the drywall picture to make a point about the masks not keeping people safe from the virus. It doesn't mean much when the reason masks are recommended are not to keep viruses out, but to keep them in. I never said nor implied you should wear one, but your reasons for not doing so are all over the place and in some cases counter to other points you make.


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    #26833363 - 07/19/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:prettyflyforawhiteguy:

All over the place.

Mask cause CO2 pooling, leading to changes in blood oxygen/CO2 levels.

Most mask aren't effective at preventing influenza like viruses from spreading, which are aerosols.

What else was there? These are my main points on mask. Were there any others I have made?

Pretty straight forward.


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    #26833401 - 07/19/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Keep me from spreading what?

:teareally:

Are you saying I'm infected?

:thatsracist:

See what I mean?

Keep pointing fingers and ignoring science.

Comply, comply, comply until a vaccine saves us all?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis

TB kills millions.

Why were we not wearing mask all throughout this tuberculosis pandemic?

:mindblown:




There’s a cure for TB
It is not terribly infectious.
It does not have the potential to infect a large portion of the population in a short period of time.

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    #26833418 - 07/19/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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t 8 minutes, he speaks of CO2 pooling.

Right, so there's going to be a drop in blood oxygen levels, so what happens when there's not enough oxygen being breathed back in to replace it? Within a mask with CO2 pooling?





Do you even understand that only a fraction of the oxygen you inhale in each breath is absorbed by the body, and that only a fraction of the CO2 excreted is exhaled in a single breath. Your lungs pool CO2 constantly. The tiny volume of space in between the mask and your face is miniscule. Do you think youre exhaling anywhere near the full volume of the gases in your lungs when you breathe normally? Because if I try hard enough I can exhale quite a bit more air if I try hard enough. Why isn’t that pooled CO2 harming me?

Why are you determined to undermine the one practically effortless tool we have to slow the virus down with your constant bullshit pseudoscience. You’re fucking evil dude. People’s lives are at stake. Asshole.


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    #26833421 - 07/19/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s pure bs.  Are people seriously that scared of masks?  Like the way some are afraid of needles or something?

Masks will deprive your brain of oxygen - it’s a NWO illuminaughty conspiracy, they want you sheeple to be dumb and this is how they r doing it - wake up!!! :tweakin:

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    #26833618 - 07/20/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So simple to resort to name calling. If you watch the video, the man says there will be CO2 pooling and that changing ones breathing patterns will help adapt better to breathing in a masks.

But keep calling names.

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    #26837075 - 07/21/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://nypost.com/2020/07/21/ny-yanks-liquor-licenses-from-nyc-bars-over-social-distance-violations/

Awesomeness!!

Still having a hard. . . wait, what's this?



That can't be!?!


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    #26837304 - 07/21/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

1100 people died today. You promised me no spike in deaths. Something tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about


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    #26837327 - 07/21/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You better not look at this.

https://healthchoice.org/lessons-from-the-lockdown/




I did look at it, and here are my thoughts:

The first thing I did was scroll all the way to the bottom to look at the conclusion. The first thing I want to know is "what point are these guys trying to make?" The title Lessons from the Lockdown is vague, but it implies that there's something we should keep in mind for future health crises, and I want to know what these people think that something is. My findings? The main argument that this article is trying to make is, basically:

Death rates are going down in the U.S.
Many of these possible deaths were prevented without the aid of vaccines
Therefore, we should not mandate vaccines due to risks of side effects and should instead pursue other preventative measures

That is, essentially, their argument. I decided to dig a little deeper and look into HealthChoice, the organization responsible for this article. HealthChoice is, among other things, a staunchly anti-vaccine organization (of course, they don't say that outright because anti-vaxxers generally have a negative reputation in our society).

Take a gander at their "About Us" page.:

Quote:


It is our belief that [chronic health condition rates in the U.S.] will continue to increase if parents are not aware of the unhealthy choices in their lifestyle such as industrial processed foods, side effects of vaccine choices, and other environmental and lifestyle  factors.




They clearly have some sort of bone to pick with vaccines and, from what it sounds like on their "About Us" page, they didn't arrive at this position as a result of facts and evidence, but rather because it seems to be some sort of moral axiom for them that mandated health interventions are inherently evil. Scroll down a little bit on that page, and you'll see they hold nine different moral axioms which they "believe to be self evident". I actually agree with all 9 of them (though I don't know if I'd consider them "self evident" - they are derived from other, deeper moral principles), except for number 4:

Quote:


That the individual's right to choose or refuse medical interventions affecting them or their children must be defended




This is clearly an anti-vaccination position (among other things), and I don't think I agree with it. I think that we, as a society should enforce mandated medical interventions if failing to intervene poses a great risk to others.

Now, I'm not going to debate with anyone about whether or not COVID-19 actually poses a "great risk" to others. I'm not an epidemiologist, and I'm not going to pretend like I can properly interpret all the data surfacing on this pandemic. However, I think it's pretty clear that HealthChoice's moral axiom about defending an individual's right to choose or refuse medical interventions is playing a role in their argument where they conclude that we should not mandate vaccines when they become available. It seems like there is no data you could possibly present to their organization (even if the data suggested that failing to intervene would lead to the extinction of our species) that would convince them to mandate vaccines. After all, they believe it's "self evident" that individuals have a right to choose or refuse medical interventions. When they say it's "self evident", I take that to mean that absolutely nothing could convince them to change their minds about that position.

Talk about an echo chamber... HamHead, I think it's always wise to investigate the people who are writing the articles you read, and to investigate their motivations. In the case of HealthChoice, they very clearly have an anti-vaccination position, and it would be wise to consider that fact when reading the opinion pieces they publish. I'm not saying that everything they publish is bogus, or that they have ill intent. I'm sure they're well-meaning people, really. However, there's a saying that the road to hell was paved with good intentions, and I think that holds true here. Having good intentions doesn't always mean that what you are saying is true. Even though HealthChoice probably means well, you need to keep in mind that they definitely have an agenda when it comes to vaccines and that they are trying to push this agenda on their readers, even if that means unintentionally spreading false information that might harm their readers and others.

If you want to stay above echo chambers, the most important thing to do is to recognize that you're not above them, and that you never will be. You are just as likely to be swayed by the influences of echo chambers as anyone else is. You're only human. If you believe you are somehow too smart to be indoctrinated by an echo chamber, religious group, or think tank, then you have already made yourself vulnerable to the influence of radical ideas. Organizations like HealthChoice prey on people who think they are smarter than all the sheep (it's the same tactics that cults like the Church of Scientology use to indoctrinate people - people who join the Church of Scientology aren't dumb sheep, they're smart people who falsely believe that they're too smart to fall for indoctrination). Again, I don't think that the folks at HealthChoice have evil intent or anything, but I believe that they might be spreading false information under the pretext of "telling you the truth that mainstream media doesn't want you to know". Please, think about all of that and how it relates to your own situation before you start preaching to everyone about echo chambers.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: koods]
    #26837544 - 07/22/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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1100 people died today. You promised me no spike in deaths. Something tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about




I'm sorry, I don't recall promising you shit.

EVER!!!

And I'll get to those vaccines. Because what I'm reading is, I shouldn't have a choice if I get vaccinated.

Which, IMO, is dangerous.


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    #26838667 - 07/22/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And I'll get to those vaccines. Because what I'm reading is, I shouldn't have a choice if I get vaccinated.



That's interesting.

I think the argument that HealthChoice was making in their article that you shared relies heavily on the premise that I have an inalienable right to deny healthcare interventions. That seems plausible on the surface, at least in some cases - I can definitely see why people believe this. For example, I sometimes struggle with depression, but I don't think that means I should be forced to take psychiatric medication. I wonder if this principle would apply in all cases, though.

Hypothetical question: Let's pretend there was an extremely contagious, deadly disease that was rapidly spreading across earth through symptomatic responses to the disease (coughing, bodily fluids, use your imagination for that). Without intervention, the world's most renowned epidemiologists predicted that this disease would cause the extinction of our species by the end of the year. Suppose that pharmacists developed a drug that rapidly builds up immunity to the disease in users. The drug has been demonstrated to be effective in the majority of users - the side effects are inconclusive, but most users experience no side effects. Do you think it would be okay for a government to mandate the use of such a drug? The side effects may cause some negative reactions in some people, but the drug really works for most users and usage will probably mean delaying the extinction of our species until we come across the next threat.


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    #26841205 - 07/23/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://f1000research.com/articles/9-285

Whoa boy.

"SARS-CoV-2 is the coronavirus agent of the COVID-19 pandemic causing high mortalities. In contrast, the widely spread human coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, 229E, and NL63 tend to cause only mild symptoms. The present study shows, by in silico analysis, that these common human viruses are expected to induce immune memory against SARS-CoV-2 by sharing protein fragments (antigen epitopes) for presentation to the immune system by MHC class I. A list of such epitopes is provided. The number of these epitopes and the prevalence of the common coronaviruses suggest that a large part of the world population has some degree of specific immunity against SARS-CoV-2 already, even without having been infected by that virus. For inducing protection, booster vaccinations enhancing existing immunity are less demanding than primary vaccinations against new antigens. Therefore, for the discussion on vaccination strategies against COVID-19, the available immune memory against related viruses should be part of the consideration."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475639/Catching-colds-protect-Covid-19-scientists-say.html

"Experts saw immune response to Covid-19 in 81% of patients who never had it.

They say 'similarity' to coronaviruses that cause common cold prepared body.

Four types of coronavirus known to cause the common cold and many get them.

A different type of immunity may protect people for even longer than antibodies.

Researchers at University Hospital Tübingen in Germany studied the blood of 365 people, 180 of whom had had Covid-19 and 185 who hadn't.

When the researchers exposed people's blood to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, people who had had the illness already produced the strongest immune response.

But surprisingly, there was also an immune reaction in 81 per cent of the people (150) who had never had Covid-19.

This, the scientists said, was because they had already been infected with one or more of the common cold coronaviruses known to infect humans - named OC43, 229E, NL63 and HKU1 - and their immune systems cross-reacted as a result.

Children may be better protected against coronavirus because they get so many colds, some scientists believe.

There are four coronaviruses known to cause coughs and colds, with adults averaging between two to four colds a year.

But children are believed to attract up to 12 colds a year, and scientists say this could provide youngsters with a  resistance to the virus that adults lack.

Professor Sir John Bell, a medicine professor at Oxford University, told the House of Lords Science and Technology Select Commitee: 'How you respond may be due to the state of your existing immunity coronaviruses generally.

'There is an interesting speculation at the moment, that many people in young or middle age groups may have T-cells that can already see coronaviruses.

'It may well be able to provide some protection against this pathogen when it arrives.'

Professor Adrian Hayday added: 'All adults past a certain age - 30 to 35 - eventually have no thymus so their T-cells work by looking at whether they have seen something before, whereas children are very good at seeing things that are unknown.

'The issue may be that children are able to see this as something fresh.'

Coronaviruses are thought to cause up to 30 per cent of all colds but it is not known specifically how many are caused by the betacoronavirus types, which also cause severe chest infections in the oldest and youngest patients."

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    #26841582 - 07/23/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?time=2020-04-15..&country=~ARG

Weird. Is China AFK?

Edit. Go ahead, click the link and add a country and see China not being available.

:whattefuck2:


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    #26841619 - 07/23/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Worldometer says China has run 90 million tests


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    #26842022 - 07/24/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475639/Catching-colds-protect-Covid-19-scientists-say.html



Wait wait wait wait wait... did you just cite the daily fucking mail as a source? Jesus man, that's a new low for you.

The daily mail is the equivalent of those tabloids here that say shit on the front about bigfoot and aliens eating peoples babies.


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    #26842027 - 07/24/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475639/Catching-colds-protect-Covid-19-scientists-say.html



Wait wait wait wait wait... did you just cite the daily fucking mail as a source? Jesus man, that's a new low for you.

The daily mail is the equivalent of those tabloids here that say shit on the front about bigfoot and aliens eating peoples babies.



:notyou:

At least I pull links.

Many times I see people running their mouths with no sources.

Also, why ignore the peer reviewed article posted just above it, saying something very similar?

How's your jimmie feeling today, jsb?

I mixed up a batch of coconut oil/tea tree oil for my hail/beard last night. You can borrow it if you like.


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    #26842033 - 07/24/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Citing and basing ones opinions on bullshit is better than having an opinion not based on and cited in bullshit??

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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26842035 - 07/24/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Citing and basing ones opinions on bullshit is better than having an opinion not based on and cited in bullshit??

Did I miss the common sense 101 class?




I will cite more for you, from different sources later today. I have to go to work and don't have time to be copying and pasting right now.

Science is out there.

Why don't you go do your own research, like I'm doing?

Or are you just here to rustle your jimmie?

Edit. I suppose peer reviewed doesn't mean anything?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26842066 - 07/24/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I will cite more for you, from different sources later today.



Please don't.

And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.

Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense. To know human nature, through and through, is all that matters to me; and this is learned by experience, not reading.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26842457 - 07/24/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.

Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.




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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26842475 - 07/24/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Loving your sig. I feel like a celebrity!!

LOL. I just read feevs rating of you. That bit about YouTube comments is pure gold.


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26845583 - 07/26/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



Very interesting stuff here. If you dare.

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Loving your sig. I feel like a celebrity!!




Also, considering how celebrities are being viewed these days, it seems fitting you feel like one.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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    #26857105 - 08/01/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Interesting stuff.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #26861346 - 08/03/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/

"EDITORS' PICK|220,711 views|Jul 30, 2020,02:02am EDT
You Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science
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The Universe is out there, waiting for you to discover it. But don't research universe, you won't understand science.

“Research both sides and make up your own mind.” It’s simple, straightforward, common sense advice. And when it comes to issues like vaccinations, climate change, and the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, it can be dangerous, destructive, and even deadly. The techniques that most of us use to navigate most of our decisions in life — gathering information, evaluating it based on what we know, and choosing a course of action — can lead to spectacular failures when it comes to a scientific matter.

The reason is simple: most of us, even those of us who are scientists ourselves, lack the relevant scientific expertise needed to adequately evaluate that research on our own (you're stupid). In our own fields, we are aware of the full suite of data, of how those puzzle pieces fit together, and what the frontiers of our knowledge is. When laypersons (you) espouse opinions on those matters, it’s immediately clear to us where the gaps in their understanding are and where they’ve misled themselves in their reasoning. When they take up the arguments of a contrarian scientist, we recognize what they’re overlooking, misinterpreting, or omitting. Unless we start valuing the actual expertise that legitimate experts have spent lifetimes developing, “doing our own research” could lead to immeasurable, unnecessary suffering.

Let’s start with a simple, low-stakes example: fluoridated drinking water. On the one hand, fluoride is a simple ion that shows up in various concentrations, including naturally through calcium fluoride, in bodies of water all across the world. When humans ingest too little of it, particularly at a young age, it leads to weakened tooth enamel and greater rates of cavities; when humans ingest too much of it, it leads to tooth discoloration and various severities of dental fluorosis. In extreme cases, significantly too much or too little fluoride can also lead to other problems, such as osteoporosis (with too little) or skeletal fluorosis (with too much).

In most places in the United States and Canada, our drinking water is fluoridated at a specific level that’s safe and effective for humans of all ages. In places like Colorado Springs, CO, significant amounts of fluoride are removed from the water, bringing the levels down to acceptable values; in other places, like New York City, NY, fluoride is added to bring the levels up to acceptable values. Controlling the fluoride levels of water is a safe and effective public health intervention, reducing dental caries in children by 40% where it is implemented versus places where it isn’t implemented.

And yet, there are major cities in the world, like Portland, OR or Calgary, Alberta, where the public or city council, respectively, has voted (in the case of Portland, repeatedly) to not add fluoride to their drinking water. As expected, the typical cavity rates in children — when controlled for socioeconomic demographics — are about 40% higher than in places where the water is fluoridated, hitting those of lower economic demographics the hardest. The idea that “our water is natural” and “adding fluoride isn’t” has proven more powerful in swaying public opinion in these locations than the science supporting fluoride’s safety and effectiveness. To the voting public, a fear of chemicals and an affinity for what feels natural was more compelling than the dental health of poor children, despite near-universal support from dental health professionals.

There’s an old saying that I’ve grown quite fond of recently: you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. When most of us “research” an issue, what we are actually doing is:

formulating an initial opinion the first time we hear about something,
evaluating everything we encounter after that through that lens of our gut instinct,
finding reasons to think positively about the portions of the narrative that support or justify our initial opinion,
and finding reasons to discount or otherwise dismiss the portions that detract from it.

Except, for almost all of us, we can’t. Even those of us with excellent critical thinking skills and lots of experience trying to dig up the truth behind a variety of claims are lacking one important asset: the scientific expertise necessary to understand any finds or claims in the context of the full state of knowledge of your field. It’s part of why scientific consensus is so remarkably valuable: it only exists when the overwhelming majority of qualified professionals all hold the same consistent professional opinion. It truly is one of the most important and valuable types of expertise that humanity has ever developed.

experts.

When it comes to fluoridated drinking water, the consequences may only be mild: cosmetic, barely visible markings on your teeth in the case of over-fluoridation or a slight weakening of your tooth enamel in the case of under-fluoridation. But in the cases of a number of public policy measures — vaccinations, climate change, or the science of the novel coronavirus and the disease it causes in humans, COVID-19 — the stakes are much higher. The consequences of getting it wrong can lead to permanent consequences and may even be a life-or-death matter for many.

When left to their own devices, a substantial fraction of people will choose not to fully vaccinate themselves or their children. In some schools, up to 60% of children can be unvaccinated against preventable diseases such as measles, leading to a resurgence of diseases that should be eradicated. Many parents have a greater fear of adverse consequences from vaccines, despite the fact that — other than skin irritation at the injection sites — medical complications are extraordinarily rare (occurring in far less than 0.01% of patients) and occur no more frequently than random chance would indicate.

The science overwhelmingly indicates that vaccines are one of the safest public health interventions ever undertaken by humanity. But if you “do your own research,” you can find a small percentage of online activists, and even a few medical professionals, who rail against the overwhelming science, pushing discredited claims, fear, and often unproven cures or supplements as well. This fraud-driven controversy created an enormous public health disaster that’s still ongoing today.

Similarly, in the field of climate science, it’s overwhelmingly well-understood that:

the Earth is warming,
and local climate patterns are changing,
caused by changes in the concentration of gases in our atmosphere,
driven by human-caused emission of greenhouse gases from fossil fuels,
and that this is having a number of adverse consequences: causing changes in food supplies, water availability, and land use all across the world.
This has been scientifically known and accepted by the consensus of active climate scientists for more than 30 years, and yet a sustained misinformation campaign — as well as a few contrarian scientists — has sown sufficient doubt that anyone who is determined to “do their own research” can find boatloads of websites and documents confirming whatever conspiratorial line of thought they prefer. It doesn’t change the scientific truth, but it has led to unprecedented inaction in the face of a problem with long-term, negative, planet-wide consequences.

Right now, as we enter the month of August during the year 2020, it’s a critical time for the United States and the world. We’re in the midst of a global pandemic, as the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and the disease it causes in humans, COVID-19, has claimed the lives of more than two-thirds of a million people. In the United States alone, more than 150,000 have died, with each new day adding an average of over 1,000 new deaths at present.

Although there’s still much to learn about the science of this, from how it spreads to who is most likely to spread it to what the best treatments are to the true infection rate and so on, there’s a lot that the scientific experts have achieved a consensus about. In particular:

the disease is airborne and easily spread from person-to-person contact,
it’s more easily spread in indoor settings,
older people are more likely to get critically ill and die from it,
staying home except for essential errands,
and the interventions of wearing masks when you go out, not touching your mask once its on, and remaining physically distant (2 meters/6 feet minimum) from others not in your household are all effective.

But even those basic messages — for which there’s virtually no scientific doubt surrounding them — have sparked enormous amounts of controversy. Despite the safety and efficacy of masks, many are refusing to wear them, leading to spikes in new infections. Despite the importance of avoiding close contact with others not a part of your household, many people continue to visit friends and relatives, accelerating the spread of the disease. Despite the fact that over 150,000 Americans have already died from it, many continue to claim “it’s just like the flu,” even though the last time 150,000 or more Americans died from the flu was 1918: the year of the infamous Spanish flu.

If you “do your own research,” you can no doubt find innumerable websites, social media accounts, and even a handful of medical professionals who are sharing opinions that confirm whatever your preconceived notions about COVID-19 are. However, do not fool yourself: you are not doing research. You are seeking information to confirm your own biases and discredit any contrary opinions. Each time you do this, you exemplify the problem of anti-science bias that Dr. Fauci warned about in June:

“If you go by the evidence and by the data, you’re speaking the truth and it’s amazing sometimes, the denial there is. It’s the same thing that gets people who are anti-vaxxers – who don’t want people to get vaccinated, even though the data clearly indicate the safety of vaccines. That’s really a problem.”

course to follow that novel path instead.

But that requires a kind of transformation within yourself. It means that you need to be humble, and admit that you, yourself, lack the necessary expertise to evaluate the science before you. It means that you need to be brave enough to turn to the consensus of scientific experts and ask, legitimately, what we know at the present stage. And it means you need to be open-minded enough to understand that your preconceptions are quite likely to be wrong in some, many, or possibly even all ways. If we listen to the science, we can attempt to take the best path possible forward through the greatest challenges facing modern society. We can choose to ignore it, but if we do, the consequences will only increase in severity."

You get it, right?

Fluoride.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20190819/could-fluoride-be-bad-for-baby-during-pregnancy

"Fluoride crosses the placenta, and lab studies have shown that the mineral accumulates in brain regions involved in memory and learning, researchers said in background notes. Fluoride also has been shown to alter proteins and neurotransmitters in the central nervous system.

Pregnant women should consider reducing their exposure to fluoride, Till said. That might include avoiding public water sources that are fluoridated, since those account for 70% of fluoride exposure in adults.

"There's absolutely no benefit of fluoride to a fetus or a baby without teeth," Till said. "You're not doing any harm to your baby by reducing your fluoride intake. You can reduce it and your baby will be fine.""

And vaccines.

https://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/vaccine-dangers/

"Some of the viruses contaminating vaccines have a known effect, as in the case of the simian virus SV-40 that causes cancer (see Cross-Species Contamination below). Other effects are unknown. In 1975 Gena Bari Kolata wrote an article in the journal Science in which scientists at the FDA admit that all live virus vaccines are “grossly contaminated with phages,” even though it was against FDA regulations at that time. Rather than recall the vaccines, the FDA changed the rules so that a recall wouldn’t cause undue concern for parents. In 1987 the FDA decided this about vaccines: “seed virus used in manufacture shall be demonstrated to be free of extraneous microbial agents except for unavoidable bacteriophage.”[ii] Bovine (cow) serum is a frequently used vaccine growth medium and the most frequently contaminated animal serums with bacteriophage.

Vaccines have many other agents as well as the viruses and contaminants that can cause significant injury (see the full list below) to a child or adult. These injuries include brain swelling and permanent brain injury, seizures and convulsions, blood disorders, and even death. Since 1988 over 3.8 billion dollars in compensation has been paid by the federal government to vaccine victims. And yes, they have paid for autism. Studies have definitively shown that vaccines can result in autism, a disease that has increased from 1 in 10,000 in 1990, to 1 in 150 in 2000, to the current rate of 1 in 68 children. According to the CDC, the most recent numbers breakdown to 1 in 42 boys and 1 in 189 girls diagnosed with autism.

While other environmental assaults are also associated with autism, the increased vaccination schedule can be the trigger or a significant contributing factor especially in children who are predisposed because of other conditions. These other conditions are often unknown and not symptomatic until the vaccine injury triggers a cascade of problems.

In the 1960s only a handful of childhood vaccines were given. The current CDC recommended vaccine schedule for children now has over 30 vaccines by the time a child turns 6 and an additional potential for up to 30 more by the time they reach 18. Could this increase be linked to our declining health? For example, currently:

One in six children in the US has a learning disability
Over 50% suffer from some type of chronic illness.
Cancer is the leading cause of death in our children
Autism rates have soared from 1 in 10,000 in 1990 to 1 in 68 today
Since genetic mutations change slowly over generations, we must look to environmental causes for these changes. While other environmental toxins certainly are at play in these statistics, disregarding the potential role to the amounts of toxin injected into children through vaccines is not only bad public policy, it is bad science. By disregarding the role of vaccines in our statistics for infant mortality and chronic diseases, we could be doing more harm than good in mandating, or even advising, them.

Vaccines: Adverse Effects List
Various vaccines are linked to the following serious adverse reactions:

Anaphylactic shock
Aseptic meningitis, meningitis
Bell’s palsy, facial palsy, isolated cranial nerve palsy
Blood disorders such as thrombocytopenic purpura (a disease that destroys platelets need for clotting)
Brachial neuritis
Cerebrovascular accident (stroke)
Chronic rheumatoid arthritis
Convulsions, seizures, febrile seizure
Death
Encephalopathy and encephalitis (brain swelling)
Hearing loss
Guillain-Barré syndrome
Immune system disorders
Lymphatic system disorders
Multiple sclerosis
Myocarditis
Nervous system disorders
Neurological syndromes including autism
Paralysis and myelitis including transverse myelitis
Peripheral neuropathy
Pneumonia and lower respiratory infections
Skin and tissue disorders including eczema
Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)
Tinnitus (ringing in the ears)
Vaccine-strain versions of chicken pox, measles, mumps, polio, influenza, meningitis, yellow fever, and pertussis
Vasculitis (inflammation of blood vessels)
You can find more adverse reactions reported on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database.

Inadequate Testing of Vaccines
The problems associated with vaccines should lead manufacturers to conduct stringent testing. However, quite the opposite is true. In vaccine testing there is:

No cumulative safety testing done prior to licensing
No placebo standard safety testing done
No carcinogenic or mutagenic capacity testing done (even though vaccines contain animal DNA and carcinogens)
No route of exposure research to determine effective safe limits of ingredients
Safety or toxicity of vaccines is studied for short term rather than long-term. Many studies are limited to just a few weeks. When a vaccine is tested, it is given to healthy people and they are only given that one injection (not multiple injections at once, like a baby). The current CDC recommended schedule with a number of vaccines injected on a given day has never been tested. In essence, the current schedule is an experiment.



Chronic health conditions in children began growing rapidly at the same time that new vaccines were introduced 1985-1991, now impacting 1 in 2 adolescents.  Autism, ADHD, food allergies, bowel diseases, and other conditions began growing exponentially in the late 1980s.

The Hib vaccine was introduced in 1985, and replaced by the Hib conjugate vaccine in 1988, to avoid a death rate of 1 per 106,000 persons.  The Hepatitis B vaccine was introduced for newborns in 1991 to avoid the risk of transmission from the mother which can occur in 1 in 480 births.  HepB is a blood-borne illness not transmitted by casual contact, so an infant is not at risk unless the mother is HepB-positive. Learn more by reading the report created by Foundation for Pediatric Health.

Vaccine Ingredients, How They’re Made and How They Work
A clearer understanding of how vaccines are made and what they do raises even more questions about the risk/benefit ratio.

Vaccines work by stimulating and exciting an immune response. The efficacy of a vaccine is measured by the production of antibodies. This stimulation of antibody production is achieved (or not) when either a live or killed virus or other vaccine agent is injected into a child or adult. The theory is that this antibody response will then be replicated to protect the vaccinated individual from future exposures.

For live virus vaccines, a virus is grown on mediums that include aborted fetal tissue and tissues from monkeys, cows, chickens, dogs, mice, and other animals. Growing the live viruses on animal cells is supposed to make them less virulent to humans yet still strong enough to induce an immune response. This virus is then manufactured with a variety of additives and preservatives to make the serum injected as a vaccine.

Non-live virus vaccines include bacterial toxins, “killed” whole virus, and proteins (among other things) and require the use of “adjuvants” to stimulate an immune response. These adjuvant-stimulated responses create the antibodies that are the measures of success of the vaccine. However the antibodies are not necessarily effective measures of true immunity from either live or non-live vaccines.

Additionally, the concept of Original Antigenic Sin calls into question whether the immune response from a vaccine (live virus or otherwise) could ever provide adequate protection.

The most commonly used vaccine adjuvant is aluminum, a heavy metal that is a known neurotoxin associated with brain dysfunctions, including dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. Aluminum can last up to eight years in the brain resulting in cumulative neurological damage from additional exposures.

Cross-species Contamination
One very troubling danger that results from the way vaccines are produced is cross-species viral contamination. For example, the SV 40 virus, a simian virus, was transferred from monkeys to humans by growing the polio virus on monkey kidneys; the SV 40 virus causes human cancers (Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 1997). The virus was injected into hundreds of millions of healthy people worldwide who received early versions of polio vaccines from 1955 -1963.

According to an article published and available from The National Center for Biotechnology Information in a 2007 review of numerous studies about SV40 in humans, researches said the following: “SV40 footprints in humans have been found associated at high prevalence with specific tumor types such as brain and bone tumors, mesotheliomas and lymphomas and with kidney diseases…” Once infected, people with SV40 can pass the virus on to their children.

Science Fraud and the Media
Getting credible independent scientific evidence for vaccines is not always easy. As was the case with the tobacco industry, pharmaceutical companies pay either directly or indirectly for much of the science that is published. The revolving door of officials in government moving into highly paid positions in the pharmaceutical industry or lobbying also is problematic. The government seems to have a vested interest in not publishing information that would show vaccines in a poor light.

For example, in a statement released in August 2014 on his lawyer’s website, CDC scientist William Thompson, PhD, admits to falsifying data that showed a statistical connection between the MMR vaccine and autism spectrum disorders in African American boys who are given the vaccine before the age of three. Dr. Thompson published a paper in the journal Pediatrics claiming there was no connection. Ten years later, he admitted his fraud after conversations he had with another scientist were recorded without his knowledge. Part of that release reads:

My name is William Thompson.  I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

When foreign DNA is injected into humans, the body’s immune response is to attack that foreign DNA. When that foreign animal DNA attaches to the human cells, the immune response includes attacking its own cells. Animal DNA or foreign fetal cell DNA in vaccines can also be taken up by an individual and recombined into their DNA. Also, according to Helen Ratajczak, a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm, there is a link to brain damage and human DNA in vaccines."

Yeah, yeah, TLDR. You are not smart enough to do research.

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #26861362 - 08/03/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some people are. You are not.


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    #26861365 - 08/03/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that covid19 has been blown way out of proportion, mostly by the mass media & social media  - but, recently thankfully it’s been toned down.  A lot of people are infected a lot will and have died - but by keeping things in perspective - we see it’s not even close to the end of the world.  Like another flu & pneumonia, albeit worse than the flu.  People at risk need to pay special attention to how they live and those who can effect them need to also take care.  Everyone can potentially be respectful of those they interact with, without needing it to be enforced - but it is - bc people aren’t being respectful of others.  And that opens the doors to abuses.

Social distancing is good.  Masks are good.  Good hygiene is good. Everything has a time and place.

Not to say there are not real abuses and shady business and moves going on under the guise of those against covid and those who could care less about it.  Gov & non-gov factions & players.  There are.  It’s a massive opportunity for a bunch of shit to happen.

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    #26861382 - 08/03/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody said it was the end of the world. That’s you blowing it out of proportion.


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    #26861411 - 08/03/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Not being literal.


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    #26861426 - 08/03/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Nobody said it was the end of the world. That’s you blowing it out of proportion.




https://www.mercurynews.com/coronavirus-bill-gates-predicted-pandemic-in-2015

"“If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it’s most likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war,” Gates said. “Not missiles, but microbes.”"

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Speeches/2017/05/Bill-Gates-Munich-Security-Conference

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Munich Security Conference
Munich, Germany
February 17, 2017
AS PREPARED


Thank you, David [Miliband]. It's great to be here today.

When I decided 20 years ago to make global health the focus of my philanthropic work, I didn't imagine that I'd be speaking at a conference on international security policy. But I'm here today because I believe our worlds are more tightly linked than most people realize.

Here's one example. I spend a lot of my time on the effort to eradicate polio. We've made incredible progress. Of the 125 countries where polio was endemic, 122 countries have eliminated the disease. Only Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Nigeria have never been polio-free. And that's no coincidence.

War zones and other fragile state settings are the most difficult places to eliminate epidemics. They're also some of the most likely places for them to begin—as we've seen with Ebola in Sierra Leone and Liberia, and with cholera in the Congo Basin and the Horn of Africa. So, to fight global pandemics, we must fight poverty, too.

It's also true that the next epidemic could originate on the computer screen of a terrorist intent on using genetic engineering to create a synthetic version of the smallpox virus . . . or a super contagious and deadly strain of the flu.

The point is, we ignore the link between health security and international security at our peril.

Whether it occurs by a quirk of nature or at the hand of a terrorist, epidemiologists say a fast-moving airborne pathogen could kill more than 30 million people in less than a year. And they say there is a reasonable probability the world will experience such an outbreak in the next 10-15 years.

It's hard to get your mind around a catastrophe of that scale, but it happened not that long ago. In 1918, a particularly virulent and deadly strain of flu killed between 50 million and 100 million people.

You might be wondering how likely these doomsday scenarios really are. The fact that a deadly global pandemic has not occurred in recent history shouldn't be mistaken for evidence that a deadly pandemic will not occur in the future.

And even if the next pandemic isn't on the scale of the 1918 flu, we would be wise to consider the social and economic turmoil that might ensue if something like Ebola made its way into a lot of major urban centers. We were lucky that the last Ebola outbreak was contained before it did.

The good news is that with advances in biotechnology, new vaccines and drugs can help prevent epidemics from spreading out of control. And, most of the things we need to do to protect against a naturally occurring pandemic are the same things we must prepare for an intentional biological attack.

First and most importantly, we have to build an arsenal of new weapons—vaccines, drugs, and diagnostics.

Vaccines can be especially important in containing epidemics. But today, it typically takes up to 10 years to develop and license a new vaccine. To significantly curb deaths from a fast-moving airborne pathogen, we would have to get that down considerably—to 90 days or less.

We took an important step last month with the launch of a new public-private partnership called the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations. The hope is that CEPI will enable the world to produce safe, effective vaccines as quickly as new threats emerge.

The really big breakthrough potential is in emerging technology platforms that leverage recent advances in genomics to dramatically reduce the time needed to develop vaccines.

This is important because we can't predict whether the next deadly disease will be one we already know, or something we've never seen before.

Without getting too technical, these new platform technologies essentially create a delivery vehicle for synthetic genetic material that instructs your cells to make a vaccine inside your own body. And the great thing is that once you've built a vaccine platform for one pathogen, you can use it again for other pathogens. You only need to substitute a few genes.

That flexibility and reusability would cut the vaccine development and approval timeline significantly. And we can apply this new vaccine technology to other hard-to-treat diseases like HIV, malaria, and tuberculosis.

The $550 million that launched CEPI is just a down payment. We will need considerably more support from governments to fund the R&D necessary to realize the promise of this new technology.

Of course, the preventive capacity of a vaccine won't help if a pathogen has already spread out of control. Because epidemics can quickly take root in the places least equipped to fight them, we also need to improve surveillance.

That starts with strengthening basic public health systems in the most vulnerable countries. This has a double benefit.

It improves our ability to prevent, detect, and respond to epidemics. And it enables us to break the cycle of poverty and disease that is at the root of so much instability in the world.

We also have to ensure that every country is conducting routine surveillance to gather and verify disease outbreak intelligence.

And we must ensure that countries share information in a timely way, and that there are adequate laboratory resources to identify and monitor suspect pathogens. We can build on the lab network that's in place now for polio, as well as a new network of field sites and labs that will help us better understand the causes of child mortality in poor countries.

The third thing we need to do is prepare for epidemics the way the military prepares for war. This includes germ games and other preparedness exercises so we can better understand how diseases will spread, how people will respond in a panic, and how to deal with things like overloaded highways and communications systems.

We also need trained medical personnel ready to contain an epidemic quickly, and better coordination with the military to help with logistics and to secure areas.

The Ebola epidemic might have been much worse if the U.S. and UK governments had not used military resources to help build health centers, manage logistics, and fly people in and out of affected countries.

It is encouraging that global alliances like the G7 and the G20 are beginning to focus on pandemic preparedness, and that leaders like Chancellor Merkel and Prime Minister Solberg are championing health security.

By the end of this year, 67 countries are expected to have completed independent assessments of their epidemic readiness. But there isn't enough money to help the poorest countries with epidemic preparation.

The irony is that the cost of ensuring adequate pandemic preparedness worldwide is estimated at $3.4 billion a year—yet the projected annual loss from a pandemic could run as high as $570 billion.

Pandemics are everyone's problem—and as leaders, we cannot ignore it.

Imagine if I told you that somewhere in this world, there's a weapon that exists—or that could emerge—capable of killing tens of thousands, or millions, of people, bringing economies to a standstill, and throwing nations into chaos.

You would say that we need to do everything possible to gather intelligence and develop effective countermeasures to reduce the threat.

That is the situation we face today with biological threats. We may not know if that weapon is man-made or a product of nature. But one thing we can be almost certain of. A highly lethal global pandemic will occur in our lifetimes.

When I was a kid, there was really only one existential threat the world faced. The threat of a nuclear war.

By the late 1990s, most reasonable people had come to accept that climate changed represented another major threat to humankind.

I view the threat of deadly pandemics right up there with nuclear war and climate change. Getting ready for a global pandemic is every bit as important as nuclear deterrence and avoiding a climate catastrophe.

Innovation, cooperation, and careful planning can dramatically mitigate the risks presented by each of these threats.

Indeed, the fact that fewer people die in conflicts now than at any time in human history is the direct result of choices made together by the international community—including through efforts like the Munich Security Conference.

The global good will evidenced at the historic Paris Climate talks a year ago give us a chance to prevent the worst effects of climate change.

The opportunity now is to extend that cooperation to pandemic preparedness. We've gotten a good start on innovation with the launch of CEPI. Reflecting on the lessons learned with Ebola, there is a shared consensus about the things we need to invest in.

I'm optimistic that a decade from now, we can be much better prepared for a lethal epidemic—if we're willing to put a fraction of what we spend on defense budgets and new weapons systems into epidemic readiness.

When the next pandemic strikes, it could be another catastrophe in the annals of the human race. Or it could be something else altogether. An extraordinary triumph of human will. A moment when we prove yet again that, together, we are capable of taking on the world's biggest challenges to create a safer, healthier, more stable world.

Ultimately, the choice is ours.

Thank you."

Oh, Bill. Germ simulations?

Nah, not the end of THE world, but a world as we once knew it is dead and gone.

:cheers:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26861429 - 08/03/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Tl;dr

Where’s the part about the end of the world


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: HamHead]
    #26861450 - 08/03/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"The irony is that the cost of ensuring adequate pandemic preparedness worldwide is estimated at $3.4 billion a year"

Billy, Billy, you have got over $110 billion dollars.

Let's math.

Bloop, bop boop beep pop bop.

Thanks calculator.

32.35294117 years.

At 64 years old, Bill, you could give away your fortunes to ironically be better prepared for a pandemic worldwide until you're 96 years old!

But wait, there's INFLATION!!!

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That's why we invest, to turn $10,000,000,000 into $200,000,000,000. All those 0s. Digital.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Well, guess I'll sit on the sidelines [Re: koods]
    #26861456 - 08/03/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Tl;dr

Where’s the part about the end of the world




Couldn't even look at the bottom of my post.

"Nah, not the end of THE world, but a world as we once knew it is dead and gone.

:cheers:"

It's in your head, koods.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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