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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: checkmatsis]
#26790658 - 06/28/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The cheese cloth is providing no function here. It's the micropore tape on this master providing your he. Take off the tape if you want to test the cheese cloth
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: metaphoric]
#26790725 - 06/28/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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@metaphoric Below is the tape that I'm using and I don't believe that it is very breathable, but I could be wrong. I know in the past when I used scotch tape and no cheesecloth the mycelium didn't get enough GE and suffocated unless I removed the tape.
Anyway, after I inject the spores there is a large hole in the cheesecloth and that is why I would put scotch tape over the vulnerable hole, but there has always been a vermiculite layer in the cakes that I have made, so a good test would be to have a jar inoculated with a folded layer of cheesecloth, no vermiculite and scotch tape over the injection point. This would force the cheesecloth to be tested for GE and protection.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: checkmatsis]
#26790743 - 06/28/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Test it however you want, cheese cloth won't work. Mold spores float freely through it. Cheese cloth is meant to filter solids, not microscopic particles.
Micropore tape is $3 at any pharmacy. Polyfil can be find in most pillows. I don't get why you insist on using nonsensical tools when proper tools are dirt cheap and available everywhere. But you do you, I'm out
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: metaphoric]
#26850489 - 07/28/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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PHASE 4: Grain to grain transfer to maximize mycelium.
Now that the single large jar of WBS is fully colonized it's time for the G2G transfer. - Prepared multiple smaller jars with WBS the exact same way as Phase 1-2. - Sanitized the environment and SAB the same way as Phase 3. - Inside the SAB I had all the new WBS jars and the large jar of colonized WBS. - I scooped some colonized grain into each new jar, capped them, then applied tape to the single hole on the smaller jars. - After each new jar had received colonized grain I kissed them and put them away in the cupboard.
Update:
- The first master jar that was prepared with a rice cooker and speed cooled in the fridge has successfully colonized. I used it to do 11 G2G transfers inside a SAB and I will post the results once they are fully colonized.
- The backup master jar that was prepared without the use of a rice cooker, cooled in the canning pot overnight and had no vermiculite as a filtration layer is almost fully colonized except the very top of the cake underneath the lid.
Edited by checkmatsis (07/28/20 06:51 PM)
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: checkmatsis]
#26852523 - 07/29/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You know tyvek envelopes are free at the post office? And work as a sfd?
I'm curious about the thought process behind the grain and dry verm... sounds like you're combining a pftek and wbs tek...
I think everyone fills their wbs 1/2-3/4 of the way to leave room for shaking once its 30%+ colonized. Packing it full kind of defeats the purpose imo, why not just make brf cakes at that point?
Not to mention the dry verm is a contam barrier... that you have to go through for any gtg transfers...
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26852545 - 07/29/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not just put wbs in boiled water for 30 minutes then pc for 90 minutes after straining and drying? Alot faster than 6 hour steam sterilize. Your whole point here is to save time when 24 soak is old information nowadays. Anyways good luck
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: TheGreatGig]
#26852599 - 07/29/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's against a pc.... and I don't see how a 24 hr soak is hard regardless... put it in a bucket the day before you want to pc. This whole hobby is about planning and patience anyway
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Edited by Cegda (07/29/20 08:31 PM)
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26852655 - 07/29/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’d rather use no filter than use tyvek. In fact I use no filter no mod lids all the time.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26852693 - 07/29/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ijs it's better than cheesecloth... and free. That's all.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26852824 - 07/29/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say: that an inferior filter material is better than a completely useless filter material? Someone has low standards.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26853837 - 07/30/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like you answered for me.. inferior but half-ass functional is indeed better than useless.
I wasn't praising tyvek or saying everyone should use it, but the dude refuses to get a pc.. I figured he's trying to go cheap as possible..
Free is pretty cheap.
I also replied before reading some of your posts.. going to try non mod lids.. and you're a TC, and I'm a scrub... there's no doubt you know more.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26853899 - 07/30/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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@Cegda Yes, I'm aware that tyvek is a free option. Thanks for the recommendation.
I'm just kinda doing it my own way, but yeah, I did take the vermiculite idea from the pftek and apply it to WBS just as an extra precaution to minimize the likelihood of contamination.
As far as shaking the grain goes, well, I've never done it and everything has colonized just fine with previous grows. (I am aware that shaking apparently speeds up colonization).
Anyway, here is a close up picture of the backup WBS jar that I inoculated without the vermiculite layer:

Definitely has stagnated growth on the top possibly due to the failure of the cheesecloth to provide an effective barrier. Though it doesn't look contaminated. The mycelium seems healthy. I'll open it up soon and give it the good old smell test.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: checkmatsis]
#26853904 - 07/30/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That doesn’t look anything close to healthy IMO but, perhaps my standards are too high.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: checkmatsis]
#26853907 - 07/30/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was really wondering how GTG worked when you have to go through that dry verm layer. Its a contaminate barrier yes, but what are you doing before GTG? sticking a spoon through it sounds like a recipe for mold.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26853914 - 07/30/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing wrong with high standards, but are you flexing? I mean I'm all for trolling/shit talk, but I at least try to be helpful at the same time...
Some informative data from a TC would probably help all of us.
All I've seen on this post boils down to, "you're dumb"
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! *DELETED* [Re: Cegda]
#26853919 - 07/30/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Cegda
Reason for deletion: conciseness
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26854065 - 07/30/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Triple posting is generally frowned upon. Please use the edit function instead. Thanks.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26854079 - 07/30/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll be sure to do that in the future. First was a question for the op. The next 2 were questions for you.
I'll fix it
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Cegda]
#26854087 - 07/30/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What do you want from me? Maybe a complete writeup explaining all the basics with links to every step along the way? Oh ya I did that like 3 years ago.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24084128#24084128
I’ve pretty much nailed ghetto cultivation on a budget and I got thousands of posts made on every conceivable occurrence. All the links are in my sig. Not sure what else I need to do.
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Re: Grow Log: Master Jar to G2G to Shoebox. Let the journey begin! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26854099 - 07/30/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was commenting on how you started negative and are still negative.. not trying to beef with you, and it seems that most people (according to your ratings) view you as very helpful.
I mentioned tyvek and you came at me.
I explained myself and even said I wanted to try your tek. You ignored that and were critical to op without providing any useful info.
And now I'm arguing with a moderator and TC and idk why. I'd much rather be reading your post and/or picking your brain.
-------------------- “What senses do we lack that we cannot see or hear another world all around us?” -Orange Catholic Bible, -from Frank Herbert's Dune
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