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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26776891 - 06/23/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized
When a nation engages in civil war, afterwards there are often attempts to reintegrate the country. There were many aspects to the Civil War, but we often forget that fact. I think it is crazy to say the Northerners were good people and those in the South were bad, as in traitors or terrorists. I do understand how we often want to demonize people.
If you fight for an army who's primary goal is to ensure a future where they are allowed to own black people, and your people put up a statue commemorating your service to the cause, you are bad.
No one is saying anything about all northerners being good. Why is the "on both sides" narrative so often used to defend white supremacy? How does anyone think one thing justifies the other?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers]
#26776908 - 06/23/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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yah black people seem to be taking up the old white supremists arguments of the on both sides and lost cause of the south to revise history and diminish and discount the sacrifice maybe by the United States during the Civil War. Dishonoring all that gave thier lives.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers]
#26776942 - 06/23/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized
When a nation engages in civil war, afterwards there are often attempts to reintegrate the country. There were many aspects to the Civil War, but we often forget that fact. I think it is crazy to say the Northerners were good people and those in the South were bad, as in traitors or terrorists. I do understand how we often want to demonize people.
If you fight for an army who's primary goal is to ensure a future where they are allowed to own black people, and your people put up a statue commemorating your service to the cause, you are bad.
No one is saying anything about all northerners being good. Why is the "on both sides" narrative so often used to defend white supremacy? How does anyone think one thing justifies the other?
Soldiers aren't intellectuals and they're told what to do, so this narrative that they're "bad" because they fight for people with potentially poor intentions really doesn't fly. Almost all wars are economic in nature, so which soldiers are more noble than others in this case? There really wasn't a choice of fighting or not, it's not like today.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] 1
#26776958 - 06/23/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized
When a nation engages in civil war, afterwards there are often attempts to reintegrate the country. There were many aspects to the Civil War, but we often forget that fact. I think it is crazy to say the Northerners were good people and those in the South were bad, as in traitors or terrorists. I do understand how we often want to demonize people.
If you fight for an army who's primary goal is to ensure a future where they are allowed to own black people, and your people put up a statue commemorating your service to the cause, you are bad.
No one is saying anything about all northerners being good. Why is the "on both sides" narrative so often used to defend white supremacy? How does anyone think one thing justifies the other?
Soldiers aren't intellectuals and they're told what to do, so this narrative that they're "bad" because they fight for people with potentially poor intentions really doesn't fly. Almost all wars are economic in nature, so which soldiers are more noble than others in this case? There really wasn't a choice of fighting or not, it's not like today.
The type of soldier who would quit if they had the choice is likely not the type of soldier who would have their statues on display.
And you're really going to use the "just following orders" argument?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26777008 - 06/23/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized
When a nation engages in civil war, afterwards there are often attempts to reintegrate the country. There were many aspects to the Civil War, but we often forget that fact. I think it is crazy to say the Northerners were good people and those in the South were bad, as in traitors or terrorists. I do understand how we often want to demonize people.
Well the southerns who fought in the war or assisted in the effort were LITERALLY traitors. Every single one of those confederate soldiers memorialized with a statue is guilty of treason as defined in the constitution.
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Were they good people? Well they were fighting to maintain one of most evil practices in the history of humanity, so no, even if they were the nicest people you’ve ever met, they were not good people.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods] 1
#26777034 - 06/23/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aside from their desire to maintain the institution of slavery, the southern states’ primary complaint was that northerners kept refusing hunt down and return their slaves back when they would escape north. So, yeah, I’m gonna say that at least many northerners were on the right side of history.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods]
#26777055 - 06/23/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plus one to both those posts koods.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: tyrannicalrex] 3
#26777067 - 06/23/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm glad you said something because I always like knowing which posts you're plus 1'ing
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: 1234go]
#26777071 - 06/23/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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northerners are racist and profited off of slavery especially in industrial cities
yall are gunna start a civil war being smug
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: 1234go] 1
#26777081 - 06/23/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26777088 - 06/23/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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lincoln was the one who made it not about slavery cause he wanted northern support
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
#26777095 - 06/23/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuccin plebs
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26777099 - 06/23/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: northerners are racist and profited off of slavery especially in industrial cities
yall are gunna start a civil war being smug 
Industrial cities before the Civil War? How stupid are you maybe crack a history book. Like almost all the northern states abolished slavery before the constitution was even ratified asshole. It was always a big problem with people in the north and enlightened thinkers that founded the country jackass. After the revolution and 1812 nobody had the stomach to deal with the issue so they just kicked the can down the road till it boiled over into the civil war. Think about it from thier shoes go read history and stop acting like those people fought for nothing. Your so ignorant its disgusting.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
#26777106 - 06/23/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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if anything they profited off of racism against Germans italians irish and other Europeans who were especially indentured but you wouldn't care about those people because they're white. Asshole.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#26777114 - 06/23/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude you need to calm down. All your posts are extremely aggressive. Maybe time to take a break.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26777118 - 06/23/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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nah if anything u need to leave ur state
endentured servitude is what the english and irish were subjugated to before independence
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The Industrial Revolution, now also known as the First Industrial Revolution, was the transition to new manufacturing processes in Europe and the United States, in the period from about 1760 to sometime between 1820 and 1840.
all of the materials that supplied northern productivity came from the south
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
#26777119 - 06/23/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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remember where george floyd was murdered
what does that have to do with a confederate statue?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods]
#26777122 - 06/23/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well when people start throwing around derrrp haha let's start a civil war and burn down everything everyone has fought and worked for cuz derrrp yah i get an aggressive tone and thank God everyday that I'm not in war forced to kill racists. And no they didn't dumbo most what the south produced back then went straight to Europe. The north and west had most the natural resources and the south had slaves. For the most part.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
#26777125 - 06/23/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: remember where george floyd was murdered
what does that have to do with a confederate statue?
Literally nothing your all just racists
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
#26777162 - 06/23/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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saying they were racist towards germans is like the most ignorant shit u can say
derp
we started a coup in 2 south american countries this year btw and a lot of this chaos and propaganda is parallel to whats going on here
focus on shit that matters and u have some control over in terms of combatting these vacuums of disinfo that the elite exploit to consolidate the globe
I see way more discussion about trivial symbolism than all the black people being killed by police everyday
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