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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 3
#26776391 - 06/23/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 2
#26776781 - 06/23/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are police camera's on the light poles in my neighborhood but not the wealthy neighborhoods- they just have camera's on their doorbells.
There's also stabbings and murders that occur in my neighborhood but not the wealthy neighborhoods. Like, if I tell people what street I live on they consider it the bad part of town. I personally think there are worse areas of town, but I have found random needles littered in the same grass children play in and have to pick up litter/garbage every so often so the neighborhood doesn't look so trashed and people have been shot within view of my bedroom window. It sucks cause there is a little wooded area with a small creek that I used to play around when I was a little kid but it's covered in garbage now. I've overheard some disturbing conversations while walking to the corner store, including a guy talking to his friend all excited and he said "I was next to his car, put the gun in his face, man joe he was scared as fuck joe" It's not all bullet-proof glass and shit like some places in Chicago though.
The shop clerk was murdered in a robbery like 25 years ago. People leave candles in memorial every year on the anniversary.
How many stabbings and murders occur on your street?
Not sure how your comparison works well with your argument if no violent crime occurs on your street.
You already know how my analogy makes sense. Decreasing focus on high-crime areas might make the number of arrests go down so it looks like there is less crime, just like not testing people for covid makes it look like there are less covid cases than there are. That doesn't mean there is less crime or covid though. The notion that criminals would need to volunteer to be arrested to make it a valid analogy is nonsense based on the definition of crime. Do you think someone who is raped but doesn't report it means the rape didn't occur?
"If you look for crime you're going to find it" suggests you ought to stop looking for crime for it to go away. I'm not sure that is the case.
You literally are making an argument for an increased police presence in your own neighborhood over a weed plant in vegetative phase, which is a drastic difference from decreasing police presence in high-crime areas in order to reduce the number of criminals. Definitely not the same argument.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#26776990 - 06/23/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Police in Baltimore overwhelmingly target black drivers for stops and searches even though the data shows that white drivers are more likely to be in possession of drugs or illegal weapons.
Just do a thought experiment. Let’s say you and your friend both drive around with drugs in your car all the time. Your friend gets pulled over three times as often as you do. Who is the one more likely to be arrested for drug possession?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 1
#26777174 - 06/23/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Police in Baltimore overwhelmingly target black drivers for stops and searches even though the data shows that white drivers are more likely to be in possession of drugs or illegal weapons.
Just do a thought experiment. Let’s say you and your friend both drive around with drugs in your car all the time. Your friend gets pulled over three times as often as you do. Who is the one more likely to be arrested for drug possession?
So if you're a drug dealer you get a white to carry the merch which is tailed by a black guy as a decoy.
Brilliant.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Patlal]
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods]
#26777500 - 06/23/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Police in Baltimore overwhelmingly target black drivers for stops and searches even though the data shows that white drivers are more likely to be in possession of drugs or illegal weapons.
Just do a thought experiment. Let’s say you and your friend both drive around with drugs in your car all the time. Your friend gets pulled over three times as often as you do. Who is the one more likely to be arrested for drug possession?
Cops have quotas and pulling over blacks is more likely to find warrants and other potential violations. It's a numbers game at work.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
#26777548 - 06/23/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cops can't have quotas
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil] 2
#26777564 - 06/23/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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They have productivity goals. The MPs I knew had "mission statements".
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods]
#26777800 - 06/23/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#26778480 - 06/24/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
You pretended to ask one question, but you asked two.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same type and frequency of crime? No. They are about identical for drug possession though.
Do police only choose to pick on black neighborhoods because cops are just plain racists? It's partially because of differential crime stats and partially because cops are just plain racists.
Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones]
#26778815 - 06/24/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
You pretended to ask one question, but you asked two.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same type and frequency of crime? No. They are about identical for drug possession though.
Do police only choose to pick on black neighborhoods because cops are just plain racists? It's partially because of differential crime stats and partially because cops are just plain racists.
Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating.
I think cops target poor people/poor communities more because they're low hanging fruit. I think black neighborhoods are generally considered the inner city or "hoods" and white neighborhoods are generally considered the suburbs. If so, cops can easily drive into the streets of poor communities and witness a shit load of crimes that don't require investigations or even much work. Drinking in public, drug use, public intoxication, people acting disorderly, etc. When you drive up middle class streets they are generally empty or the residents are doing random things like mowing their lawns or washing their cars or something, there's definitely not a lot of noticeable crime going on. Like you say whites and blacks use the same amounts of drugs. The difference is poor people usually do them in public while non poor people are usually doing them in their homes or something. If a cops job is to patrol and stop crime why would he waste his time in the suburbs where there isn't anything usually going on. Is he supposed stake neighborhood's out to see which residents might be using drugs or up to crime and then get a search warrant to find out? Or would they go to the inner city and hoods which are known for being violent, having open air drug markets and people walking around drunk and disorderly? I think its a no brainer why cops target poor communities and I don't think its rooted in racism
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#26778819 - 06/24/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
You pretended to ask one question, but you asked two.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same type and frequency of crime? No. They are about identical for drug possession though.
Do police only choose to pick on black neighborhoods because cops are just plain racists? It's partially because of differential crime stats and partially because cops are just plain racists.
Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating.
Come on, we all know some black neighborhoods have drug dealing on the streets, that's why the cops pick them off much easier. It's a cultural thing, whites don't very often deal drugs in plain view.
Black neighborhoods will sometimes be open drug markets, these are the areas that police patrol because it's where all the activity exists. This isn't about cops being racist, it's about going after the low hanging fruit.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#26778825 - 06/24/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20+ years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
You pretended to ask one question, but you asked two.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same type and frequency of crime? No. They are about identical for drug possession though.
Do police only choose to pick on black neighborhoods because cops are just plain racists? It's partially because of differential crime stats and partially because cops are just plain racists.
Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating.
I think cops target poor people/poor communities more because they're low hanging fruit. I think black neighborhoods are generally considered the inner city or "hoods" and white neighborhoods are generally considered the suburbs. If so, cops can easily drive into the streets of poor communities and witness a shit load of crimes that don't require investigations or even much work. Drinking in public, drug use, public intoxication, people acting disorderly, etc. When you drive up middle class streets they are generally empty or the residents are doing random things like mowing their lawns or washing their cars or something, there's definitely not a lot of noticeable crime going on. Like you say whites and blacks use the same amounts of drugs. The difference is poor people usually do them in public while non poor people are usually doing them in their homes or something. If a cops job is to patrol and stop crime why would he waste his time in the suburbs where there isn't anything usually going on. Is he supposed stake neighborhood's out to see which residents might be using drugs or up to crime and then get a search warrant to find out? Or would they go to the inner city and hoods which are known for being violent, having open air drug markets and people walking around drunk and disorderly? I think its a no brainer why cops target poor communities and I don't think its rooted in racism
It's basically what I just said, it's like so obvious yet we have to spell it out. How sad is that?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
#26778830 - 06/24/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The comparison only works if you think criminals are turning themselves in to cops to get arrested and the cops say sorry we’re out of arresting kits.
If you don’t patrol white neighborhoods like you do black ones, you’re not going to uncover white crimes like you do black ones. In the 20 years I’ve lived on my street I’ve seen a cop car maybe three times. I have weed growing on my deck. That is white privelege.
I’m not really sure how you think this comparison works out well for whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same types and frequency of crimes yet police only choose to pick on black one because cops are just plain racists?
You pretended to ask one question, but you asked two.
Do you think white and black neighborhoods have the same type and frequency of crime? No. They are about identical for drug possession though.
Do police only choose to pick on black neighborhoods because cops are just plain racists? It's partially because of differential crime stats and partially because cops are just plain racists.
Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating.
I think cops target poor people/poor communities more because they're low hanging fruit. I think black neighborhoods are generally considered the inner city or "hoods" and white neighborhoods are generally considered the suburbs. If so, cops can easily drive into the streets of poor communities and witness a shit load of crimes that don't require investigations or even much work. Drinking in public, drug use, public intoxication, people acting disorderly, etc. When you drive up middle class streets they are generally empty or the residents are doing random things like mowing their lawns or washing their cars or something, there's definitely not a lot of noticeable crime going on. Like you say whites and blacks use the same amounts of drugs. The difference is poor people usually do them in public while non poor people are usually doing them in their homes or something. If a cops job is to patrol and stop crime why would he waste his time in the suburbs where there isn't anything usually going on. Is he supposed stake neighborhood's out to see which residents might be using drugs or up to crime and then get a search warrant to find out? Or would they go to the inner city and hoods which are known for being violent, having open air drug markets and people walking around drunk and disorderly? I think its a no brainer why cops target poor communities and I don't think its rooted in racism
It's basically what I just said, it's like so obvious yet we have to spell it out. How sad is that?
Like how brian says " Conservatives are always looking for simple solutions but the real world is not cooperating."
Yet he wants to blame everything on simple racism without even considering (or outright dismissing) the factors we laid out
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 3
#26779316 - 06/24/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do black people who live in suburban areas that don't have a lot of police traffic also have white privilege?
Do asian people have white privilege or is it called asian privilege for them?
The last time I saw a cop in my neighborhood I'm in now was because some RACIST asshole came to talk to the black guy next door who was shooting his gun wildly and having the bullets whizzing past our property with one actually ricocheting off the house.
Also, isn't it legal to grow weed where you are now?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence]
#26779332 - 06/24/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do black people who live in suburban areas that don't have a lot of police traffic also have white privilege?
you are treading on thin ice with that kind of question
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence] 1
#26779522 - 06/24/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Do black people who live in suburban areas that don't have a lot of police traffic also have white privilege?
White privelege arises from the positive prejudgements people make about a white person based solely on their skin color, so no. It’s amazing how such a simple concept seems to elude comprehension by certain people. Conversely, white privelege also arises from the negative prejudgements people make about non-white people.
There are certainly prejudgements made about people who appear rich as well, but that isn’t white privelege.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: coAsTal]
#26780587 - 06/24/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Id rather not. Easier solution, dont do crimes and be nice to police.
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