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MightyWhite

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shivas.wisdom said: Anyone care to explain to me why every violent crime that happens in the Capital Hill neighbourhood while the east precinct is abandoned is blamed on the people at CHOP and used to excuse any state violence that follows; but every violent crime that happened in the Capital Hill neighbourhood while the east precinct was occupied wasn't similarly used as a reason to disband the police?
Seems like a double-standard born of bias.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/seattle-will-move-to-dismantle-chop-zone-following-shootings/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/seattle-work-deescalate-dismantle-chop-autonomous-zone-mayor/story?id=71399727 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/seattle-mayor-wants-to-dismantle-chop-zone-without-resorting-to-police/ar-BB15SakG
LMAO
So how's your communist love fest working out for you, Shiva? I will be very disappointed if this doesn't end like Waco
Anywho, how does it feel to have cops INSIDE your safe space, investigating a murder?
NO COPS ALLOWED!
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: TNK]
#26778408 - 06/24/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So true. It is the inane ones I have suffered through with my drug use that pisses me off. Was planning on going to CHOP as I am trying to figure out what to do with my Summer and know Seattle well.
But now I read they are shutting it down. Excuses, Excuses. Two people shot! In a major american city with that level of rich and poor! Someone must put an end to this! Media is bullshit.
The revolution will not be televised as the saying goes. People are sick of it.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: MightyWhite] 1
#26779196 - 06/24/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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#26779269 - 06/24/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, what a surprise
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: Tripsurfer] 2
#26779287 - 06/24/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It’s a good lesson on why children need adult supervision when they have a sleep over. Hopefully some people are paying attention...
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#26779294 - 06/24/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has the black on black violence already been spun so its white peoples fault?
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26779392 - 06/24/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes the 13th man of the people there are.
Cops, when you don't even need a B.A. or B.S. and get fuckers like that. More militarization of police. More idiots for the police force! Completely for it dumb fuck! We need more fuckers like them to parent us. Or we can just make our own conclusions and what is worth standing up against.
What are the statistics on gun deaths in major cities? No one cares and are blissfully ignorant. But up to four! My God! The Humanity!
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: Amanita86]
#26779417 - 06/24/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: It’s a good lesson on why children need adult supervision when they have a sleep over. Hopefully some people are paying attention...
From what I understand, the Capitol Hill neighbourhood had a relatively high level of violent crime before CHOP was even established; before the police had ever abandoned the east precinct.
What is your reason to attribute recent violent crime directly to CHOP? And seeing as how you are using this attribution as the basis for an argument in defence of police violence, what is your reason to not similarly attribute pre-CHOP violent crime directly to failures of SPD?
If it's not an intentional bias, then it's definitely a cognitive bias on display.
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The 33,000 or so residents and countless more visitors on Capitol Hill have experienced a reported violent crime like homicides, rape, robbery, and assault every day on average in 2018.
https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2018/07/why-isnt-capitol-hill-more-afraid-of-crime/
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Key findings
- Capitol Hill crime rates are 216% higher than the national average
- Violent crimes in Capitol Hill are 143% higher than the national average
- In Capitol Hill you have a 1 in 13 chance of becoming a victim of crime
- Capitol Hill is safer than 9% of the cities in Washington
- Year over year crime in Seattle has decreased by 4%
https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/
Regarding the idea of 'losing' the CHOP:
The CHOP was only ever a temporary autonomous zone. The TAZ is like an uprising which does not engage directly with the State, a guerilla operation which liberates an area (of land, of time, of imagination) and then dissolves itself to re-form elsewhere/elsewhen, before the State can crush it.
Getting the TAZ started may involve tactics of violence and defense, but its greatest strength lies in its invisibility — the State cannot recognize it because History has no definition of it. As soon as the TAZ is named (represented, mediated), it must vanish, it will vanish, leaving behind it an empty husk, only to spring up again somewhere else, once again invisible because undefinable in terms of the Spectacle. The TAZ is thus a perfect tactic for an era in which the State is omnipresent and all-powerful and yet simultaneously riddled with cracks and vacancies. And because the TAZ is a microcosm of that “anarchist dream” of a free culture, I can think of no better tactic by which to work toward that goal while at the same time experiencing some of its benefits here and now.
The TAZ is an encampment of guerilla ontologists: strike and run away. Keep moving the entire tribe, even if it’s only data in the Web. The TAZ must be capable of defense; but both the “strike” and the “defense” should, if possible, evade the violence of the State, which is no longer a meaningful violence. The strike is made at structures of control, essentially at ideas; the defense is “invisibility,” a martial art, and “invulnerability” — an “occult” art within the martial arts. The “nomadic war machine” conquers without being noticed and moves on before the map can be adjusted. As to the future — Only the autonomous can plan autonomy, organize for it, create it. It’s a bootstrap operation. The first step is somewhat akin to satori — the realization that the TAZ begins with a simple act of realization.
In short, I'm not touting the TAZ as an exclusive end in itself, replacing all other forms of organization, tactics, and goals. I recommend it because it can provide the quality of enhancement associated with the uprising without necessarily leading to violence and martyrdom.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26779443 - 06/24/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Anyone care to explain something to me?
When Xul got banned it was because he was “racist”, he was suggesting ‘separation not segregation’ and that the races should have their own places. At CHOP they’re doing that very thing and have black only areas (guarded by white folk funny enough) which is exactly what Xul was saying.
On paper they’re the exact same blueprint but it’s racist if xul says it and not racist if they do it at CHAZ? There’s gotta be something I’m missing here.
Also, fairly sure there was a third shooting (possibly near Chaz and not directly inside, I’m not sure) and the powers that be (the real ones) are ‘getting serious’ about dismantling the zone so things could get choppy in the next few days. Hopefully nobody does some dumb shit..
Segregation is stupid, regardless of the practitioner or advocate.
Re: the shootings I'm certain there was violence before CHOP and there will be violence after CHOP. Having seen video of Proud Boys driving around CHOP in a van with no license plate, beating people in the street, I'm not convinced that the shootings aren't being perpetrated by such types of individuals of which the PNW has plenty. Either way, CHOP was never meant to last forever. Its a protest encampment, not a declaration of independence.
Edit: I see now that shivas.wisdom already said that
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Dude, they planted stuff to feed themselves
Now they have epicly failed, come the excuses and is it an idea or a movement
Admitting you fucked up is a requirement for growth
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: ballsalsa]
#26779470 - 06/24/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A movement without ideas is empty - ideas without a movement are impotent.
I'm sure those community gardens will keep growing food long after CHOP as a name is finished. I'm sure the community connections made while creating those gardens will outlast CHOP as a name too. I'm certain the experience of autonomy and freedom those people had while creating gardens in CHOP will continue to inspire them going forward.
What exactly was the epic failure?
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: ballsalsa]
#26779488 - 06/24/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Edit: I see now that shivas.wisdom already said that
You took less words though. I tend towards verbosity
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They were going to show the world how the evil white society and police was holding the black man down, and how they would thrive and prosper once those elements had been eliminated.
Their utopia lasted what? Almost two weeks before it turned into a shitshow?
And now what? Become a traveling commune, claiming a couple city blocks wherever they go?
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#26779738 - 06/24/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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Amanita86 said: Anyone care to explain something to me?
When Xul got banned it was because he was “racist”, he was suggesting ‘separation not segregation’ and that the races should have their own places. At CHOP they’re doing that very thing and have black only areas (guarded by white folk funny enough) which is exactly what Xul was saying.
On paper they’re the exact same blueprint but it’s racist if xul says it and not racist if they do it at CHAZ? There’s gotta be something I’m missing here.
Also, fairly sure there was a third shooting (possibly near Chaz and not directly inside, I’m not sure) and the powers that be (the real ones) are ‘getting serious’ about dismantling the zone so things could get choppy in the next few days. Hopefully nobody does some dumb shit..
Segregation is stupid, regardless of the practitioner or advocate.
Re: the shootings I'm certain there was violence before CHOP and there will be violence after CHOP. Having seen video of Proud Boys driving around CHOP in a van with no license plate, beating people in the street, I'm not convinced that the shootings aren't being perpetrated by such types of individuals of which the PNW has plenty. Either way, CHOP was never meant to last forever. Its a protest encampment, not a declaration of independence.
Edit: I see now that shivas.wisdom already said that
Proud Boys after all https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/man-critically-injured-chop-shooting-says-he-was-victim-racial-attack/ZHXSJZLBEBGSHOUOO3FMWKQGFI/
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#26780021 - 06/24/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The funny thing is, when it finally gets busted up, people involved will be tried by the federal government for treason and possibly treated like enemy combatants.
That’s some serious shit.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: ballsalsa]
#26780060 - 06/24/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
Segregation is stupid, regardless of the practitioner or advocate.
So you're calling the BLM "blackout" at Cal Anderson park on Juneteenth stupid, right?
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ballsalsa said:
I'm certain there was violence before CHOP and there will be violence after CHOP. Having seen video of Proud Boys driving around CHOP in a van with no license plate, beating people in the street, I'm not convinced that the shootings aren't being perpetrated by such types of individuals of which the PNW has plenty. Either way, CHOP was never meant to last forever.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: ballsalsa]
#26780080 - 06/24/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Having seen video of Proud Boys driving around CHOP in a van with no license plate,
links plz.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: lowbrow]
#26780087 - 06/24/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: lowbrow]
#26780394 - 06/24/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: The funny thing is, when it finally gets busted up, people involved will be tried by the federal government for treason and possibly treated like enemy combatants.
That’s some serious shit.
Yep, The Elite will have the final laugh on this free entertainment.
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Re: Second shooting at CHOP. [Re: qman]
#26780742 - 06/24/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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TNK said: Crime is retaliative.
As long as there are laws, there will be crime. 
All the money wasted posting speed limit signs with the intent to get people to drive a certain speed, all they had to do was NOT post any signs at all or fine people for going fast and people would have naturally went 20 mph in school zones. People speed as retaliation for being told not to???
Someone walks into a bank to make a deposit and sees a security guard and thinks "Well, I wasn't going to rob this place but then I saw the security guard and I remembered that it's illegal to rob a bank so I'm totally gonna do it now." People rob banks because they'll get arrested if they rob a bank??
No more laws against rape = no more rape crime. Rape only happens as retaliation for it being a crime to rape someone??
As long as there are laws, there will be crime so remove laws and it removes crime? You got that backwards playa.
As long as there is crime, there will be laws. Laws(ideally) are a retaliation against crime/behaviors which are deemed harmful either to individuals or society.
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