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the fickle nature of white privilege?
    #26774193 - 06/22/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

"White privilege" is usually viewed as a permanent unchanging trait. You are born with it, and die with it. Yet, if I move to Brazil, or Angola, I could easily lose my white privilege - and become part of a disenfranchised minority. If I can lose my white privilege in a flash, then it's not quite as permanent as is often implied. And a disenfranchised African American can move to another country and suddenly become privileged, due to the social and cultural climate of the country. I think it's interesting to view it in this way. Labeling others and ourselves with permanent labels is frequently fraught with distorting our view.

On another note -"privilege" and "inequality" are part of all living systems. In biology it's called competitive advantage. All individuals in all species experience a degree of disadvantage or privilege. Every creature falls somewhere on the spectrum. We should make great efforts to create social and economic equality - but also realize that competitive advantage is a natural part of life.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26774233 - 06/22/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think in biochemistry it could be affinity, like affinity at a receptor site.

otherwise and more nakedly similar to privilege:
it is dominance, such as how an alpha male will dominate in a collection of individuals.

dominance is commonly transferred downward to the less dominant as pecking order


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26774300 - 06/22/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think the idea of “privilege” in general based on one’s identity was a useful way of understanding, of conceptualizing real inequities existing in given societies but has, to some extent, been weaponized in a counterproductive way by some people.

Insofar as the concept of white privilege is utilized to bring about honest introspection about such inequities I think it is useful. The weaponing and shaming it has become associated with, I think pushes too abrasively on people in a way which jeopardizes real progress.

This is more an indictment of the ignorance of such people in relation to the experiences of their fellow countrymen and the existence of such different treatment by its bureaucracies, etc, but, the net result of pushing their buttons too much is increased resistance to social change. But can we expect most common folk to be willing to undergo such rigorous self analysis? It would be nice.

Are smarter people privileged in a cognitively stratified society? Beautiful people in other respects?

Doing away with such hierarchies is simply impossible and striving to do so is naive. But ameliorating and correcting for very real biases - this is noble and absolutely necessary. But I think privilege of various forms will be with us for as long as we are human.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26775265 - 06/22/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think white privilege is fickle...it is pretty reliable. When I was in my early 20s I tried dealing acid. I was a terrible drug dealer...and a detective with the sheriffs department caught me. He didn't arrest me...or take my acid. He just warned me off...told me I wasn't cut out for the job. I took his advice.

Now on the Mexican border I find out my white privilege extends to Mexico...and beyond...even Brazil. I been all over northern Mexico...the white preference is even supported by non white people. I think this is bullshit completely...people are crazy, but even in Africa I would be golden.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26775329 - 06/22/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Societal privilege.
Caste systems.

In your and my case this unequal start is given to white people hence...here...its white privilege.

It's different elsewhere.

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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: pineninja]
    #26775340 - 06/22/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Then tell me where it is different...I know Mexico, India, and I have acquaintances that know South America and Africa....white people seem to be good where ever. I am glad to be white because us white people seem to fuck with other non whites while getting their ass kissed. Not saying it's right...but it's true.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26775354 - 06/22/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Absolutely true the vast majority of places it's white no doubt.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: pineninja]
    #26775380 - 06/22/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yeah and if a white middle aged man joins the protest for non whites and keeps a straight face...then he is double cool. Society is so stupid...


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26776756 - 06/23/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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CountHTML said:

I think the idea of “privilege” in general based on one’s identity was a useful way of understanding, of conceptualizing real inequities existing in given societies but has, to some extent, been weaponized in a counterproductive way by some people.




How big do you think the backlash against BLM is? I think it's massive.

BLM is seen as righteous and even holy, so considering the movement harms more than it helps is something most people will not even consider. 

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Then tell me where it is different...I know Mexico, India, and I have acquaintances that know South America and Africa....white people seem to be good where ever.




White people have privilege all over the world? Wow! When white people go to Libya or China or Fiji or Spain, they have privilege over all other people? My experiences in Mexico and Central America doesn't align with yours. 

Does Obama have white privilege since he was half white or is he a disenfranchised minority since he is half black?

It's only in America you can find black people who claim that black people "can't be racist"


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26777803 - 06/23/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Never said all over the world. I said Latin America and most of Africa and India. I have been to Japan and know that the Japanese consider black people after whites...so yeah parts of Asia. Never been to China...so can't say. Read a post before assuming it says what you want.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26778022 - 06/23/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My friend was frequently referred to as “white monkey” while abroad in China.  :lol:


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26778067 - 06/23/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's quite possible...but I bet they liked that white monkey better than a black one.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26778072 - 06/23/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Speaking generally, yeah that’s likely.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26779493 - 06/24/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Genetic groupings tend to resonate with each other which isn’t a surprise as it’s literally what they are.  Like minded people with similar interests are the same way.  “White privilege” must be a criticism from afar in a mixed racial society. 

Yet I wouldn’t equate privilege with resonance.  Whites as a whole are progressive in a certain sense which others may realize yet that doesn’t mean they resonate with whites.  In another culture that values itself a white person is just a lost person who comes from a fancy culture.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26779527 - 06/24/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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In another culture that values itself a white person is just a lost person who comes from a fancy culture.




Basically, yeah.  I’ve known it first hand too - from both ends.  Living in the States, Mexico, Puerto Rico, & Japan. 

Though, I tend to judge on a case by case - individual basis.

Forget white or any other color privilege  - or whatever reason that someone believes someone else’s or their own privilege to come from.


I just call it being spoiled :shrug:


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26779818 - 06/24/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

if you are mistaken for a princess, be sure they are making faces behind your back.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26786425 - 06/27/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I feel it is more coloured underprivilege than white privilege.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26786562 - 06/27/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

this is the RESIDUAL EFFECT OF COLONIALISM and SLAVERY
it varies from place to place depending on the local history. In many places there is still brutal inequality - implied status - the oppressor and oppressed - feudal mentality - prisoners of war - internment camps etc.

I think we can get past it as we become individuals in a global federation, but this will take time and the restructuring of political theories.


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Re: the fickle nature of white privilege? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26786570 - 06/27/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We need replicators :crankey:


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