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CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss.
    #26769620 - 06/22/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26769626 - 06/22/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I saw that, didn’t really look into it though.

I saw a video of a guy named “Raz” and he was pulling an AR15 out of a tesla trunk and handing it to a young kid who obviously never held a gun before in his life and my first thought was he just got that kid killed.  LARP’ing is all good and fine until you start introducing live rounds and I’d bet they could set up a few bird’s nests and snipe everyone holding a gun if they really wanted that place cleared out.

Interesting experiment I guess.  As long as they’re all willing participants they get what they get..:shrug:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26769631 - 06/22/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26770548 - 06/22/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Got video of the actual shooting itself like up close and personal video.

Confrontation starts at 9:30

shooting happens at 15:30



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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman] * 2
    #26770553 - 06/22/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fucking minecraft is clearer than that 360p pixelatted pile of garbage.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26770556 - 06/22/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well if you got a more clear video of this murder lemme know.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26770558 - 06/22/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And its significant cause up until this video all I kept reading was white supremacists drove up and shot them out their window and drove away lol. Which isn't what happens at all in the video of what actually happened.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26770559 - 06/22/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Got video of the actual shooting itself like up close and personal video.

Confrontation starts at 9:30

shooting happens at 15:30







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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26773840 - 06/22/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When will this joke be over?

Send in the swat, clear the area of protesters and shoot everyone that is a serious threat.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26773860 - 06/22/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i get why theres so much weed in the PNW

none of the white ppl r smoking it :frown:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26773910 - 06/22/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So let’s see. A bunch of troublemakers go down and harass people in the CHOP and they end up shooting people. Will not be surprised to hear these dudes are MAGA


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 3
    #26773917 - 06/22/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I find it interesting that OP isn’t talking about the dozens of other murders that happened this weekend in places where there are cops all over. Some of them committted by cops, no doubt.

But I’m sure the cops would have done great job solving this crime. They’re really good at their jobs elsewhere :laugh2:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 2
    #26773953 - 06/22/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How exactly is police supposed to stop 100% of crime?

Other than being fascist but from what I hear that doesn't work either.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26773957 - 06/22/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So let’s see. A bunch of troublemakers go down and harass people in the CHOP and they end up shooting people. Will not be surprised to hear these dudes are MAGA



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I find it interesting that OP isn’t talking about the dozens of other murders that happened this weekend in places where there are cops all over. Some of them committted by cops, no doubt.

But I’m sure the cops would have done great job solving this crime. They’re really good at their jobs elsewhere :laugh2:



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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #26773973 - 06/22/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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How exactly is police supposed to stop 100% of crime?

Other than being fascist but from what I hear that doesn't work either.




How can police stop even 5% of crime?  They're not crime stoppers, they're there to find reasons to arrest people regardless if a crime has occurred.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: qman]
    #26774006 - 06/22/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They do stop some crime as it is being committed.


No idea what the % of stopped v unstopped is but it's not a little.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26774023 - 06/22/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Crime that is often stopped in the act:
Robbery/burglary
Breaking and entering
Trespassing
Domestic assault
Certain types of murder/assault/rape
DWI/DUI/Speeding



Actually I would say speeding and reckless driving is the biggest crimes outright prevented by police. Knowing that they pull people over and that they watch an area is the only reason alot of people wear their seatbelt and don't drive fast and hard.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26774031 - 06/22/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Crime that is often stopped in the act:
Robbery/burglary
Breaking and entering
Trespassing
Domestic assault
Certain types of murder/assault/rape
DWI/DUI/Speeding



Actually I would say speeding and reckless driving is the biggest crimes outright prevented by police. Knowing that they pull people over and that they watch an area is the only reason alot of people wear their seatbelt and don't drive fast and hard.




I wouldn't say often, I'd guess for every one of those it's less than .001% of instances that are actually stopped in the act.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26774035 - 06/22/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26774046 - 06/22/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...




The warlords are all around us and the cops cops do nothing. They're just corporate execs who get away with pumping toxins into the air and water because they donated to a couple senators, while whole towns and counties get decimated by cancer and disease. They're in office boardrooms planning foreclosures, health insurance exceptions and rate hikes that directly lead to death and misery for millions.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26774080 - 06/22/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...




Remember when “warlords” shut down the Michigan legislature last month? Of course, nobody was calling gun toting Americans warlords until they saw a black guy doing it.



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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26774081 - 06/22/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Crime that is often stopped in the act:
Robbery/burglary
Breaking and entering
Trespassing
Domestic assault
Certain types of murder/assault/rape
DWI/DUI/Speeding



Actually I would say speeding and reckless driving is the biggest crimes outright prevented by police. Knowing that they pull people over and that they watch an area is the only reason alot of people wear their seatbelt and don't drive fast and hard.




Yeah, motor vehicle violations is the main thing law enforcement attempts to prevent. Yet, most of the time those are just moving violations and not criminal offenses.

All the other prevention attempts are really just responses to crimes that already occurred. Yes, the possibility of the cops coming to arrest you in the process of a crime does prevent some potential crime, but that's still not acting to prevent a crime.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: qman]
    #26774087 - 06/22/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So how does one do that exactly?


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    #26774113 - 06/22/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So how does one do that exactly?




The threat of arrest does deter people from committing crimes regardless of the probability of that arrest.

Back in the day (1980's-90's), I knew many people that refused to smoke marijuana simply out of fear of arrest. Is that crime prevention?  Yes, in a very warped fashion of unjust drug laws.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: qman]
    #26774129 - 06/22/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What is a CHAZ??
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    #26774182 - 06/22/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Whos chop?


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26774246 - 06/22/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...




Remember when “warlords” shut down the Michigan legislature last month? Of course, nobody was calling gun toting Americans warlords until they saw a black guy doing it.





I hate agreeing with koods, but this is a very true comment. Black peeps with legal,
registered weapons are warlords, white peeps with legal, registered weapons are patriots.

Fucking lol at the mental gymnastics performed by those who claim to not be racist asshats


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26774309 - 06/22/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's not the same set of circumstances, so why would anyone attempt to make the comparison and then claim the judgments are based on racism?


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26774316 - 06/22/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

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The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...




Remember when “warlords” shut down the Michigan legislature last month? Of course, nobody was calling gun toting Americans warlords until they saw a black guy doing it.





I hate agreeing with koods, but this is a very true comment. Black peeps with legal,
registered weapons are warlords, white peeps with legal, registered weapons are patriots.

Fucking lol at the mental gymnastics performed by those who claim to not be racist asshats




In Washington state it is illegal to hand a fire arm to someone, like even your wife, if it is your gun you are committing a felony by just letting your partner hold your gun.

So in chaz RAZ was seen handing guns out from the back of a Prius to random kids to patrol the streets.

I believe it was the openly committing a felony in our now very anti gun state that did it.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26774344 - 06/22/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Who knew all it took for right wingers to support gun laws was to show some black people with guns


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26774360 - 06/22/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think this does nothing but help critics undermine the actual cause. On a human level if you see someone dying and keep them from getting medical attention you're a murderer


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26774378 - 06/22/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Who knew all it took for right wingers to support gun laws was to show some black people with guns




Wrong there is a black only gun march in Oklahoma and right wingers have no problem with it.

https://kfor.com/news/local/demonstrators-march-to-governors-mansion-in-black-gun-owners-rally/


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26774463 - 06/22/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When the Bundys took over that park ranger station, the right wingers on this site were all about citizens defending themselves against criminals and the tyrannical government. Now they’re too busy telling us that the way to prevent getting beat up by the cops is to submit to their authority.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26774465 - 06/22/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dude looting local business, burning down low income housing complexes, burning down multiple city blocks and street shoot outs are not fighting a tyrannical government lol


https://www.facebook.com/JesseHolguinLexit/videos/2710559085846042/


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26774475 - 06/22/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wendy’s and target aren’t local businesses. But I’m sure the people who are taking to the streets will take the advice from someone who is completely cynical about their grievances


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26774490 - 06/22/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think the bigger issue is that America is so sheltered it doesn't know wtf a warlord is.


Or what a world without law enforcement looks like.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26774500 - 06/22/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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When will this joke be over?

Send in the swat, clear the area of protesters and shoot everyone that is a serious threat.




Here's the thing I don't understand. Police officers and civilians kill each other all the time but the news channels decided to show the world right before the election and during a pandemic. I hate to sound like Alex Jones but I honestly do think it's all to prevent trump from being reelected.

I was reading that there's an 18.5 times greater chance that a black man will kill a police officer than the other way around. Do you think the news would ever report that? We all know it's because of the war on drugs.If they ended the war on drugs most of these deaths would end. We shouldn't be protesting over racism, we should be protesting to end the war on drugs! Why don't people understand what the problem actually is?


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26774502 - 06/22/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah calling some activist a warlord is watering down the word warlord when he's just barely maintaining and organizing is just rhetoric used by the right. Call him a warlord and people want to kill him. That's fox news mo


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Shenmue]
    #26774505 - 06/22/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't even think it's a conspiracy. Media just happened to have nothing else to make big news out of the first few times and social media took it after that.


Now media kinda has to follow big stories like this on social media. And that's what happened, social media started this, media went with it.



It's far far too simple to just say conspiracy. But you can best bet they're trying to spin it to their political advantage.


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    #26774513 - 06/22/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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When will this joke be over?

Send in the swat, clear the area of protesters and shoot everyone that is a serious threat.




Here's the thing I don't understand. Police officers and civilians kill each other all the time but the news channels decided to show the world right before the election and during a pandemic. I hate to sound like Alex Jones but I honestly do think it's all to prevent trump from being reelected.

I was reading that there's an 18.5 times greater chance that a black man will kill a police officer than the other way around. Do you think the news would ever report that? We all know it's because of the war on drugs.If they ended the war on drugs most of these deaths would end. We shouldn't be protesting over racism, we should be protesting to end the war on drugs! Why don't people understand what the problem actually is?





Because the government doesn't want to end the war on drugs right now so that isn't the topic, the topic is to divide everyone and polarize us which gets nothing actually done.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26774538 - 06/22/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How about we force every police officer to wear a small camera and speaker? Can you imagine how much nicer they would be if they was recorded lol. 
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I don't even think it's a conspiracy. Media just happened to have nothing else to make big news out of the first few times and social media took it after that.


Now media kinda has to follow big stories like this on social media. And that's what happened, social media started this, media went with it.



It's far far too simple to just say conspiracy. But you can best bet they're trying to spin it to their political advantage.




There's a reason the politicians and news channels are trying to stop him. They simply cant control him because he's already rich. I love how he's driving them crazy. Bernie Sanders straight up said on the joe rogan podcast that the government is being controlled by the rich.

I guess we'll see what happens :shrug:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26774549 - 06/22/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

the guys name who led the chaz is 'warlord'

but this whole thing stinks of being a political puppet show, perhaps to erode the 2nd amendment


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26774591 - 06/22/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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the guys name who led the chaz is 'warlord'

but this whole thing stinks of being a political puppet show, perhaps to erode the 2nd amendment



That might be the attempt but it seems like the antigun thing is an after thought and so what that guys nickname is warlord he's still not powerful in the grand scheme. I dont take them seriously at all  like you said it's a show. It's dumb activism but activism none the less


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26774597 - 06/22/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Someone got shot because there's no utopia to be had


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26774696 - 06/22/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Godmother demands accountability for chao chaz what ever it is called today shooting

The left will cannibalize itself


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: budmanman]
    #26774705 - 06/22/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Godmother lol


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26775028 - 06/22/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You’re reaaaaally stretching it there Koods to keep up with your narrative...  Sell it, bruh...:lookslucrative:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26775091 - 06/22/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I blame the warlords. Amirite?


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods]
    #26775104 - 06/22/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Who knows what fantasy you have bouncing around in your head...  :smilingpuppy:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26775183 - 06/22/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We Keep Us Safe: Decriminalize Seattle Statement on Shooting at CHAZ/CHOP

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone/Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHAZ/CHOP) emerged from struggle and resistance against the Seattle Police Department (SPD) and its East Precinct in defense of Black lives. No single group fought in the streets against cops–instead, many different people from many different belief systems and organizations who all agreed that anti-Black police violence must end struggled together against the SPD and lifted demands for defunding SPD. Following SPD abandoning the East Precinct, thousands of people have helped hold the blocks around the precinct, providing decentralized support to each other. From food tents, to medics, to healing spaces, to political education, CHAZ/CHOP has provided a space to experiment with self-governance and self-determination, without police presence.

Last night’s shooting at CHAZ/CHOP is a tragedy. Our task now is to support the family and community of the person killed, the people injured in the shooting, and the people who witnessed the shooting.

We know that in every neighborhood of our city, violence is a constant. We know that police do not stop violence. We know that violence happens even when the police are present. Less than a year ago, a Black woman was killed on the same block as last night’s shooting, with the East Precinct fully staffed with officers only 200 feet away. The presence of police did not stop that death.

We also know that Seattle police do cause violence, including murdering people like Charleena Lyles, John T. Williams, and many others. Resistance against police violence and calls for a radical shift away from policing is why so many people have engaged with the global and local protests, and with CHAZ/CHOP. Police don’t keep us safe, we keep us safe. Last night’s shooting should redirect us to the task at hand – to defend Black lives by dismantling the Seattle Police Department and investing in real community safety.

We don’t yet know who was responsible for last night’s violence. It could have been carried out by people who know each other, or it could have been carried out by a stranger. We know that most violence occurs between people who know each other, such as family members, romantic partners, and neighbors, and that policing and criminalization are ineffective at preventing or addressing it. We also know that racism and sexism are the causes of enormous violence, and that police violence is a part of that, not a solution. Whatever the cause of last night’s shooting, real solutions do not look like continuing to fund and support the police. If we want to stop violence, we need to resource people and communities in a way this City has never committed to doing. We need people housed, we need people fed, we need healthcare for all, we need childcare for all, and we need real investments in the programs and communities that are developing to replace police responses to violence.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26775192 - 06/22/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

SPD have been caught in so many bold faced over the last few weeks, thereis  absolutely no reason to uncritically accept police statement. For those interested, this twitter thread provides a quality breakdown of the police propaganda:

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We now know that the public statement put out by Seattle Police following the shooting at CHOP on Friday night, was mostly fictitious, as revealed by their own bodycam footage. They showed up 10 minutes later than they claim, after the victim had been transported to Harborview.

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For those not familiar with the case, SFD medics were prevented from coming to the victim until police had cleared the scene. Police claim they were prevented from doing so, but in fact they hadn't even shown up yet.



Read the whole thing here



And here's an interview with one of the street medics present:


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26775657 - 06/22/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The biggest crimes prevented would be the ones committed by the warlords and such that aren’t around due to a constant police presence...




Remember when “warlords” shut down the Michigan legislature last month? Of course, nobody was calling gun toting Americans warlords until they saw a black guy doing it.






Why do law abiding white citizens bother you so much? Your side torched a bunch of shit and looted, these guys just didn't break any laws. If America has to pick to a side it won't be crazy extremists like the Seattle occupiers


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26775714 - 06/23/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ya I'm pretty sure those guys didn't fire a single shot and that's one of the major differences.


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26775725 - 06/23/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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that dude lookz sexy af who is he???......


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Re: CHAZ shooting, police not let in to investigate. Discuss. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26775763 - 06/23/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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We Keep Us Safe: Decriminalize Seattle Statement on Shooting at CHAZ/CHOP

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone/Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHAZ/CHOP) emerged from struggle and resistance against the Seattle Police Department (SPD) and its East Precinct in defense of Black lives. No single group fought in the streets against cops–instead, many different people from many different belief systems and organizations who all agreed that anti-Black police violence must end struggled together against the SPD and lifted demands for defunding SPD. Following SPD abandoning the East Precinct, thousands of people have helped hold the blocks around the precinct, providing decentralized support to each other. From food tents, to medics, to healing spaces, to political education, CHAZ/CHOP has provided a space to experiment with self-governance and self-determination, without police presence.

Last night’s shooting at CHAZ/CHOP is a tragedy. Our task now is to support the family and community of the person killed, the people injured in the shooting, and the people who witnessed the shooting.

We know that in every neighborhood of our city, violence is a constant. We know that police do not stop violence. We know that violence happens even when the police are present. Less than a year ago, a Black woman was killed on the same block as last night’s shooting, with the East Precinct fully staffed with officers only 200 feet away. The presence of police did not stop that death.

We also know that Seattle police do cause violence, including murdering people like Charleena Lyles, John T. Williams, and many others. Resistance against police violence and calls for a radical shift away from policing is why so many people have engaged with the global and local protests, and with CHAZ/CHOP. Police don’t keep us safe, we keep us safe. Last night’s shooting should redirect us to the task at hand – to defend Black lives by dismantling the Seattle Police Department and investing in real community safety.

We don’t yet know who was responsible for last night’s violence. It could have been carried out by people who know each other, or it could have been carried out by a stranger. We know that most violence occurs between people who know each other, such as family members, romantic partners, and neighbors, and that policing and criminalization are ineffective at preventing or addressing it. We also know that racism and sexism are the causes of enormous violence, and that police violence is a part of that, not a solution. Whatever the cause of last night’s shooting, real solutions do not look like continuing to fund and support the police. If we want to stop violence, we need to resource people and communities in a way this City has never committed to doing. We need people housed, we need people fed, we need healthcare for all, we need childcare for all, and we need real investments in the programs and communities that are developing to replace police responses to violence.



Ok when real life starts to sound like some gundam narrative then I think we have gone too far....


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