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OfflineMJCW
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    #26762508 - 06/21/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, can anyone tell me, how long after you harvest, can you wait until drying. If harvest some, then can I wait a day or two to harvest a few more before drying in the dehydrator or do you have to dry them right away?


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Re: drying and picking [Re: MJCW]
    #26762559 - 06/21/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They can sit on a counter for a few days at room temp until you have more to dehydrate.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26762576 - 06/21/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

thank you so much!!


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Re: drying and picking [Re: MJCW]
    #26763227 - 06/21/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Better to stick them in a bag in the fridge. Some people say up to a week. I know 4 days is fine.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26764115 - 06/21/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i just pick and pile them straight in the drying machine i built.
actually, i make my boyfriend pick.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: panne cyanne]
    #26764778 - 06/21/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Stick em in a fridge if you need to store some that arent dry. DONT LEAVE THEM OUT ON A COUNTER. They begin to lose potency the moment they are picked up until the time they are cracker dry.

Leaving them on a counter for a few days is a bad idea. They can and do rot over time once picked.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26764781 - 06/21/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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They can sit on a counter for a few days at room temp until you have more to dehydrate.





How often have you done this and I bet they are floppy as a flacid dick by the time you dry them if you leave them out on a counter for that long.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26767732 - 06/21/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Never had an issue in 10 years. They dry cracker dry, and just as potent as normal. No one can tell the difference on my end between mush that sat on a counter for three days and mush that was immediately dried. Maybe yours were just not potent when you tried this in the past. Limp when dry? Mushrooms don't dry limp if they sit on a counter...


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26767925 - 06/21/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Never had an issue in 10 years. They dry cracker dry, and just as potent as normal. No one can tell the difference on my end between mush that sat on a counter for three days and mush that was immediately dried.




You must live in a very dry environment. Where I live I’ve accidentally left them out for a couple days without dehydration and they straight up rot and stay wet. Look up mushroom rot once picked because they 100% do rot. And they will definitely lose potency. To what degree I cannot say but it’s a fact. I’d rather do it right than have potentially less potent or rotted mushies.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768059 - 06/21/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I keep mine between two layers of paper towel and rotate so that no wet spots form. I don't make giant piles that will rot, they lay in a single layer. Florida is not a dry climate, but the interior of my house is AC'd which would bring humidity down. My mushrooms are usually half dry by the time they go to a dehydrator from sitting on a counter.

I haven't had mushrooms mold or lose potency due to this, and notice zero difference in potency between refrig mushrooms and counter mushrooms. :shrug:


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26768086 - 06/21/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Still really not the best idea but at least you’re doing more than just setting them on the counter and waiting to dehydrate em. I’m not gonna recommend anyone do that regardless of your success with it because it has and will rot. I’m not meaning any of this in a hateful way. Just stating facts you can search and see for oneself on here. Have you eaten those that were left out compared to those that were dried immediately?


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768098 - 06/21/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have tried them every way under the sun. Zero difference.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768102 - 06/21/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m not gonna say you’re lying bro. I’m just saying it’s better to fridge em or dehydrate immediately because oxygen causes degradation of Psilocin and psilocybin. To what degree, I’m not certain but any loss that’s preventable is well....preventable.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768118 - 06/21/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oxygen degrades Psilocin. I haven't heard of Psilocybin oxidizing before though (except aqueous solutions under light), send me some info.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26768159 - 06/21/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Psilocin breaks down easily, most if not all does in the drying proscess, psilocybin will do so at a higher temperature or in the presence of oxidizers...there has not, to my knowledge been any studies to determine the temperature range...basicly, the higer the temperature the more it will decay...

Drying at 95F is perfectly fine...I wouldn't go above 120 when drying, I had dried and eaten and didnt notice any significant loss....

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That’s a quote from a tc but you can google this info and see for yourself.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768163 - 06/21/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I know temperature affects it, but I have not found any information that supports evidence that oxygen does. How old is that quote? 95F? 120F? That is information from before my time.

Edit: A post made in 2003? Anything more definitive and modern than that?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1575370#1575370


Edited by Mugnath (06/21/20 08:51 PM)


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26768170 - 06/21/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I mean man, the quote does say oxidizing occurs to psilocybin but other than that check this out https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/mystery-of-why-magic-mushrooms-go-blue-solved/4010870.article this also says in the article that psilocybin oxidizes. It’s about bluing but discussed oxidation of psilocybin. I swear I’d admit I was wrong if what I read didn’t say otherwise.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26768172 - 06/21/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m not saying that info isn’t outdated in the quote but oxygen absolutely oxidizes psilocybin. Again, TO WHAT DEGREE, IM NOT CERTAIN but it happens. The info is out there. And plenty of the teks on here are just as old and still just as valid. I’m not here to argue. The OP can trust whoever I personally don’t care but I would research more on the subject if I were them.

EDIT: the point of dehydrating is to preserve them from degrading over time. The longer you wait the less potent they will be. If leaving them out was no harm then why would you even need to dehydrate them? Why would anyone need dehydrators or desiccant ?


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26768182 - 06/21/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I haven't heard of Psilocybin oxidizing before though (except aqueous solutions under light)





"All of the six mushroom pigments the team identified are products of a cascade reaction starting with psilocybin. A phosphatase enzyme takes off its phosphate group, converting it into psilocin. An oxidising laccase then creates psilocyl radicals, which combine to form C-5 coupled subunits and then further polymerise via C-7. ‘I think they did a beautiful job of showing the cascade reaction"

It does not even mention whether oxygen is a catalyst of oxidation for Psilocybin. Oxidation can occur without oxygen present in the environment. Just trying to get accurate and definitive data here. Hopefully a TC can set me straight soon.



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Re: drying and picking [Re: Mugnath]
    #26768201 - 06/21/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If I’m wrong I’m wrong and the op will find out. If I’m right the same applies. Good luck to you and all the work you do! :smile: Information can be tough to sift through sometimes with much being outdated and still applying while some of it is outdated and obviously wrong. I’m hoping if I’m wrong I find research saying so that way I can better understand this. I’m always willing to learn and grow.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26769622 - 06/22/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

"I cant belive how much nonsense im reading in this thread.... For the last time....psilocin degrades when exposed to oxigen , Psilocybin doesnt and transformes into psilocin IN VITRO. None of them transform int each other by being exposed t oxigen"

Prisoner#1 posted after him and doesn't disagree that Psylocibin is more stable when exposed to Oxygen.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9118006/fpart/2/vc/1#9118006


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Spore Gasm]
    #26769635 - 06/22/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dry in a dehydrator as soon as possible after harvest

If need be a PAPER bag in the fridge is okay for a few days


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Re: drying and picking [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26773554 - 06/22/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

People are saying dry at 160f


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Re: drying and picking [Re: lefty24]
    #26773559 - 06/22/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can dry in pretty high temps. Psilocybin isn’t gonna be broken down in low temps. Anything a dehydrator can do would likely work it’s just how long would it take. I dry at 160 for 12 hours or until cracker dry.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26773781 - 06/22/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I often leave fresh produce on the counter for days at a time, that’s just good food safety practice.


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Re: drying and picking [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26773820 - 06/22/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Something tells me you’re being sarcastic 😅


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