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Feeling a presense/entity while tripping
    #26762114 - 06/21/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know how to describe it, but on shrooms it often feels like I'm in the presence of another entity separate from myself. Under certain circumstances, it can even be communicated with. If i remember correctly, I think I once listened to a talk by Terrance McKenna where he more or less says the same thing.

Does anyone else experience this? What do you make of it? I'm baffled by it every time when I think about the trip after the fact, but when it's going on it feels perfectly normal.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: TeaAndCrumpets]
    #26762194 - 06/21/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Have you asked it what it’s name is?


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: TeaAndCrumpets]
    #26762196 - 06/21/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I have experienced this. I’ve never been able to directly communicate, it’s more that I can sense something is there. Very often, I sense the energies of an old best friend who died 15 years back; we started our psychedelic journeying together back in the 80s.

Sometimes it feels telepathic, the communication! Yeah, I often high five the air to my imaginary friend!

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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26762321 - 06/21/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I always thought this was just a feeling you get because of the disassociation, just augmented sense of self.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: Northerner]
    #26762365 - 06/21/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I get Mexican Villagers in the shadows.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: Northerner]
    #26762415 - 06/21/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No idea what it is, Northerner; I’ve heard many theories. And I don’t always experience it, but when I do, it is always a friendly or positive feeling.

What I could be sensing, is exactly what you say; and on mushrooms you have direct access to your subconscious, who knows.

Posted about something similar a while back. I talked about 3 or 4 “energies” that I repeatedly come across; not just while tripping, but in waking life too. And all around the world. What has puzzled me is that they seem to be the same three or four energies. Made me wonder over the concept we could be in a simulation; how it was starting to feel for me was like these 3 or 4 energies were the only real consciousnesses in this world, everyone else was a “non-player character”.

I’m back to extended breaks between mushroom trips; the above is how I start to get whenever I’ve been dosing at regular, 2nweek, intervals :eek:

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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26762445 - 06/21/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

in a daydream, maybe a smell evokes a memory of a far away place, maybe of watching a movie, the people from that movie memory settle into the trip space seamlessly, this becomes a wraparound experience.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26762485 - 06/21/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s definitely all intertwined,redgreenvines. For years, possibly since I first tripped;,though never sure these days as I get older! But for years, I’ve been convinced that I am eternal. You see, time began when i was born, and the end of time will come when I physically die.

However, also as the older I’ve got, I’ve become more convinced we never actually die, but are recycled. It’s just I have no idea how long we are held in the waiting room before being given another conscious life?

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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26762515 - 06/21/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Amazing how the brains equipped to generate these experiences.  Knowing it’s brain state dependent doesn’t make it any less mysterious or amazing. How we deal with and even perceive entity experiences often comes down to how we we are, past and present - our sensory exposure & consumption over time, the storehouse consciousness, memories, and experience - our predilections for world views & their related myths and stories about them and the individuals in the stories who have dealt with such things - and how all these factors subliminally and consciously play into the experience while under the influence of psychedelic substances.

We interact with seemingly real and apparent “entities” in dreams all the time, but which upon inspection are like phantoms- puppets filled by, made by & are mind made phenomena - and in that sense they are pure.  Psychedelics can enhance and play with this particular feat of the brain whereby one senses an entity and or presence to an uncanny degree - whereby making them seem more real, or more separate, or less so, and they can seem much more convincing - but there’s always a hintergedanken at the back of the mind, deep down in a persons heart- about the nature of the experience as being illusory, at least for myself.  I know the experience of said phenomena to be like a magic trick performed by a guileless  master.

I’ll admit, it’s something Its something more easily rationalized and compartmentalized ex post facto - than it is while occurring.  Truly trippy.
I remain open minded to it, but for the tome being I fall back to the aforementioned explanation.  In a nutshell - a complex hallucination.

From the perspective of primal non-dual awareness, the question of if such a thing is real or unreal, and if it is separate or not - becomes effete & besides the point.  In terms of what it can be skillfully used for - it can be an unparalleled opportunity to learn about oneself.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26762699 - 06/21/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

incredulous as it may seem, your presence is made up of these presences that you sense, and how you respond to that affects your subsequent sense of presence, all in a continuum - just like the spaghetti monster said it would be.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26763000 - 06/21/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly.  Well said :thumbup:.  Also, here’s our friend.



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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26763482 - 06/21/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes buddy,so very complex. But also so very real. Even though it feels sometimes like the peak is lasting thousands of years, it soon becomes a memory, just like a dream. But does that make your experience any less real. And why is it so familiar, when you are back in the peak, back in that mushroom headspace? How far does your trip have to go before your “real existence” fades away, just like a dream?

Sometimes it is so hard to tell what is real; my life seems eternal, it is going on for fucking ever! But does that mean it will not be a dream like memory at some point in my conscious existence? Is this the dream? Is this the imagination? Who really knows...

Sorry bro I am actually stoned! But this stuff has played on my mind for over 35 years; even before that first trip on White Lightning LSD!

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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26767649 - 06/21/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so in d what happens on mushrooms could be a complex brain hallucination and nothing more, but what explains visions with closed eyes of an out of this world alien space station with smaller pods on the end of it docked on the station. I was never into alien stuff and didn't know mushrooms can have an alien like effect before I took them, and I genuinely felt like I was in a futuristic alien dimension, could this just be my brain making it up? Or could it be a part of the brain that receives signals when on Psilocybin that displays data received? What do you think? You sound like you could give some good insight so thought I'd ask. Peace


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: EvolvingVRNode]
    #26768001 - 06/21/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just because we can potentially understand some of the mechanics of how something works, doesn't make it any less of a miracle... which is just another word for magic. (Tb) If anything, at least to me, it  even serves to enhance the experience of the aforementioned phenomena.

Our collective understanding of psychedelics is so infinitesimally small it’s almost laughable.  High macro doses do make me take experience more seriously and that is good.  As to how I rationalize them afterwards - is a matter of preference and that preference isn’t rooted in absolute truth - but it is at least partially rooted in relative truth- and with that said I also say that I know I don’t have the final say on the matter.
  It’s beyond duality for me - beyond is-and- is not, beyond real-or unreal, beyond true-or- false....just utterly beyond beyond.  Primal Non-Dual Awareness, to me, that in itself is the tell tale mark of the classical mystical experience - and psychedelics engender that in me, and it is what I believe to the remedy to the universal delusion which guiltlessly plagues and contaminates the human being when our Mind is spoiled.


  Those of dualistic tendencies of our normal mind are simply not adequate for honestly communicating the full truth of the psychedelic experience, but that doesn’t stop me from sometimes bravely trying, and in doing so, making an ass of myself.

I have no other word for the psychedelic experience & it’s potential & actuality besides Magic- in that It’s like a magical illusion.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26769576 - 06/21/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have to say in my all of my experiences I have never encountered anything other than myself. I have experienced some amazing things but I was always able to see how it was a part of me or I was a part of it.

I think of it like fingers sticking up from below the surface of water. If you only look at what is above the surface you would think there are four different, separate, things but if you look deeper you can see that they are all just different projections coming from a single hand. If I am a finger I have experienced other fingers, and I have experienced the hand, and I have even experienced the entire body. But those things are all me.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: TeaAndCrumpets]
    #26769656 - 06/22/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've always been sensitive to spirits (it runs in my family) and mushrooms amplify this many times over.  So yes, presences and entities, all part of the "spirit world" which is basically hyperspace, and all the multiple infinities it contains.  Mushrooms allow you to experience this sort of dimensional shift while otherwise wide awake, and that's a really interesting (and strangely familiar) thing to do. Like, even if you haven't ridden a bike in years, you never forget how to do it.

As to what you can do there, well pretty much any basic resource on shamanism will tell you a lot about it - how to contact spirits, how to navigate the realms.  You don't need mushrooms to go there but mushrooms will dump you straight into it so it helps to have done some practicing beforehand without them.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: EvolvingVRNode]
    #26771658 - 06/22/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok so in d what happens on mushrooms could be a complex brain hallucination and nothing more, but what explains visions with closed eyes of an out of this world alien space station with smaller pods on the end of it docked on the station. I was never into alien stuff and didn't know mushrooms can have an alien like effect before I took them, and I genuinely felt like I was in a futuristic alien dimension, could this just be my brain making it up? Or could it be a part of the brain that receives signals when on Psilocybin that displays data received? What do you think? You sound like you could give some good insight so thought I'd ask. Peace




I'm very much an empiricist. I don't think the psychedelic experience is supernatural or anything. What we experience while tripping is subjective and currently beyond the realm of science and probably always will be since that's the nature of human consciousness. For me, trying to understand the psychedelic headspace is more of an exercise in philosophy than spirituality. Even so, scientific language is inadequate to describe the psychedelic experience, so I rely on religious/spiritual language instead.

All that being said, during one of my more recent trips, I experienced what I would describe as an alien/extraterrestrial presence for the first time and it's never happened to me before or since then. I could feel the presence of an entity in the sky but only for a few minutes. It had an overwhelmingly powerful presence and attempted to directly communicate with me. Its appearance was dramatic, sudden, and it commanded attention. Unfortunately, my interaction with it was interrupted by one of my friends who was with me.

As far as what's going on and why/how this happens, I haven't a clue. With psilocybin specifically (and not any other psychedelics), contact with this entity seems to be a recurring theme. The more we learn about how psychedelics work on a neurological level, the more unanswered questions we're left with.

I think the only real take away from all of this is our own arrogance as a species. As impressive as some of our feats have been throughout our history, we know almost nothing about ourselves and the limitations of our own minds and yet we often refuse to admit this.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26772275 - 06/22/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So yes, presences and entities, all part of the "spirit world" which is basically hyperspace, and all the multiple infinities it contains.  Mushrooms allow you to experience this sort of dimensional shift while otherwise wide awake, and that's a really interesting (and strangely familiar) thing to do. Like, even if you haven't ridden a bike in years, you never forget how to do it.




I've only been to the place you're describing once or twice, and I've found in incredibly confusing and difficult to remember each time I've gone. The only really lucid part I can recall is realizing that a dog next to me was filled with a "spiritual essence" for a lack of a better term. I've experienced similar things with inanimate objects, like one time with this tree.

What's odd to me is that even prior to reaching a point in a psychedelic trip where you cross over to the other side, the entity I originally described is still accessible and approachable. It's almost as if it's the spirit of the mushroom itself, and the spirit of the mushroom is far more approachable than some of the other entities I've encountered. I often feel as if it's attempting to guide me and teach me something by throwing certain experiences my way.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: ItAintGotNoGasInIt]
    #26773708 - 06/22/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I have to say in my all of my experiences I have never encountered anything other than myself. I have experienced some amazing things but I was always able to see how it was a part of me or I was a part of it.

I think of it like fingers sticking up from below the surface of water. If you only look at what is above the surface you would think there are four different, separate, things but if you look deeper you can see that they are all just different projections coming from a single hand. If I am a finger I have experienced other fingers, and I have experienced the hand, and I have even experienced the entire body. But those things are all me.




Agreed.  That is also how it plays out while dreaming, and is much more easily recognizable when lucid dreaming.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: TeaAndCrumpets]
    #26774149 - 06/22/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The more we learn about how psychedelics work on a neurological level, the more unanswered questions we're left with.




Well, not really - the more we know the less we don't know, not the reverse, even if the details remain obscured.  But hey, that's why it's interesting. :shrug: 

Anyway, there are clear correlations between brain stimulation and experience of presences, as there is a brain center, possibly tied strongly to religious feelings, that produces just these when a transcranial electromagnetic field is applied.  You basically - and reliably - perceive religious presences, for example feeling the Virgin Mary standing behind you and blessing you. The particular iconography depends on your existing belief system, as does it seems what people perceive during mushroom trips.

OTOH once when I was having a wisdom tooth extracted, and imbibing quite a lot of nitrous, I clearly perceived my dentist as imbued with heavenly spiritual qualities. :laugh2:


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26774183 - 06/22/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My dentists have all become bodhisattvas while cleaning my teeth and putting me on nitrous.

One of them did not notice that the oxygen tank was empty, and that was not so wonderful.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26778018 - 06/23/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Duuuuuude, I was getting my wisdom teefs out and kept pestering the dentist to up the nitrous and I guess he got sick of me and BBBB-LASTED me with it and I had this out of body experience.  There’s no way I can begin to describe it but it was nothing like when I’ve taken balloons of it.  It was one of the wildest experience I’ve had..  I didn’t know nitrous could do that, I figured you would just black out first.

Dentists got that good good..


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: Amanita86]
    #26778030 - 06/23/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They sedate you so that you don’t witness the fact that they too are wearing a nitrous mask throughout the entire operation :jimmies:


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26778241 - 06/24/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It was extremely a trip - my holistic dentist first became a giant, then a deity.  The office radio started streaming Yes "Close to the Edge" as if on command.  The whole thing was utterly unexpected as well, because I didn't know I was gonna trip like that. :laugh2: 

But it was truly awesome, leaving me with no desire for nitrous ever since.


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Re: Feeling a presense/entity while tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26778510 - 06/24/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

dental sound tracks are insidious


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