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Look good so far?
#26760436 - 06/20/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey!! I just put this in the SGFC 4 days ago and I see a bit of white fuzz coming up, is it mycelium? Do things look fine?
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Hey!! I just put this in the SGFC 4 days ago and I see a bit of white fuzz coming up, is it mycelium? Do things look fine?
Can't tell much from the photo. Only thing I can say is your foil is maybe too big. It shouldn't be much bigger than the cake. Reduces the amount of water that can evaporate from the perlite, in turn reducing relative humidity.
Also, is that the only cake you have in the chamber? If so, that's not ideal, but you it's not a deal breaker. You can still fruit with only 1 cake in the FC.
Maybe could say more if you posted a photo of your SGFC as well?
You should see pins within a week max after putting it in the SGFC if everything is under the right conditions (which will be the case if you made a proper SGFC and you're misting/fanning properly).
A week is even long, usually takes a couple days or so. I'd give it a few more days before deciding something isn't right.
Did you consolidate for a week? If not, pins will take longer to show up
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Here are some additional photos :-) Ill reduce the size of the tin foil then aha this is my first time doing this so im pretty clueless still. I did let it consolidate for a week and ive been misting it 4 times a day or whenever it looks dry and I fan it once a day.
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I only had one cake that wasn't contaminated so I just used the SGFC but is their an alternative for when you only have one cake?
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Here are some additional photos :-) Ill reduce the size of the tin foil then aha this is my first time doing this so im pretty clueless still. I did let it consolidate for a week and ive been misting it 4 times a day or whenever it looks dry and I fan it once a day.
Cool these help...
Just to be sure, you should have 1/4" holes on a 2-inch gridline on all 6 sides of the FC. Also, you'd be better off with a clear lid. Mycelium will put forth fruits toward a light source, so you definitely don't want the only light to be coming in on the sides. Clear on all 6 sides is best.
Looks like you have a full-sized SGFC with 1 cake in it. You could continue trying to fruit it in there. If this were the only factor, I can't imagine it would keep the cake from producing fruits. However, you would definitely be better off in a smaller SGFC for just 1 cake. Get creative...
Check this out:


Bought this kool-aid pourer at the 99cents store and drilled the holes and set it up (notice the holes on the lid, there are also holes on the bottom). I just harvested a decent first flush from 1 cake in it this morning. Had a cake laying around that I didn't want to go to waste. It's currently being dunked for a 2nd flush which is why the container is empty.
Doesn't have to be as ghetto as this though. You could go buy a 15qt or so sterlite from target and follow the same SGFC tek. The tek is best for a full sized tub that's full of cakes, but will work with almost any size, within reason.
A more important note:
You should be fanning about 6X a day and misting about 4X a day. A good practice is to try to fan every 2 hours for 60-90sec, it's okay if you miss some. And then mist about 3-4X a day, fanning before and after the misting.
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Here are some additional photos :-) Ill reduce the size of the tin foil then aha this is my first time doing this so im pretty clueless still. I did let it consolidate for a week and ive been misting it 4 times a day or whenever it looks dry and I fan it once a day.
Oh btw, making the foil smaller won't do anything for you right now. You have plenty of perlite exposed with how big your SGFC is. This idea is more that if you have a SGFC filled with cakes, you don't want 80% of your perlite surface to be covered with foil. This would almost defeat the purpose of the perlite.
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I have thus container laying around so would drilling holes into this one be a better option? And could I just transfer it into there? I do have the holes spaced out by 2 inches and they are 1/4! And ill definitely start fanning it more often then. Thanks for all of the advice btw
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Here are some additional photos :-) Ill reduce the size of the tin foil then aha this is my first time doing this so im pretty clueless still. I did let it consolidate for a week and ive been misting it 4 times a day or whenever it looks dry and I fan it once a day.
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I have thus container laying around so would drilling holes into this one be a better option? And could I just transfer it into there? I do have the holes spaced out by 2 inches and they are 1/4! And ill definitely start fanning it more often then. Thanks for all of the advice btw
By the looks of it, no. That one looks wide, long, and short. Might even be worse than what you have now. You'll probably be fine with leaving it in what you have it in now. I think your main problem was not fanning enough. Also you said this was the only cake that wasn't contaminated. If that's the case, you lacked on your aseptic techniques, and this cake is also most definitely contaminated. But that doesn't mean it's trash. If you don't see any obvious contams, keep trying to fruit it. Bacterial contamination is common on brf cakes and can be dealt with. If it fruits and the fruits look okay, they're probably edible. KEY WORD is PROBABLY. Be cautious because there are some knobs out there that won't even notice a mushroom covered in mold and eat in anyway. Depending on what it's contaminated with, it can put you in the hospital or kill you.
No problem  keep at it. Use the search function and read up on contam threads as well as some of the basic Tek threads. You'll learn a lot about cleanliness and on the next round you'll get 12 clean jars ready to fruit.
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This is a picture of it while I was dunking, it didnt seem to have any contams but could it be that the contams appear later? I think that my other ones had bacteria most likely bc I made the vermiculite too wet. Ill keep an eye on them.
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This is a picture of it while I was dunking, it didnt seem to have any contams but could it be that the contams appear later? I think that my other ones had bacteria most likely bc I made the vermiculite too wet. Ill keep an eye on them.
There are definitely people here that are more equipped to say so. But to me, those look bacterial for sure. I can almost see from the photo how slimey they are. Which is 100% a sign of bacterial contamination. I could be totally wrong, but the fact that you only had 1 good cakes also tells me that this one is surely contaminated to a certain degree.
Contams don't show up just from using too much water. They are ALWAYS from not using proper aseptic techniques, not sterilizing correctly, not having a SAB, dirty spore syringe, etc.
Like I said before though, bacteria in brf cakes is very common and you can usually still fruit them depending how much contamination is actually present
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Oh really omg idk it didnt feel slimy to me and there was no foul odor coming off of it but if my other cakes failed then yah I can see how this one is probably contaminated as well. Previously they had like a yellow slime, so I tried another syringe and this one seemed to work. I think that ill order from another vendor next time because I did everything to keep the area clean but it just seemed like it was the syringes themselves, I flame sterilized till they were red hot but it still failed Ill see if they fruit and ill post pics before harvesting lol just to make sure that they look all g, do not wanna end up dead lmao.
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I think it looks fine. Looks like what wet myc would look like. Did you roll them in verm after soaking? Also you can put something like a clean plate on top to submerge the cake better in the water. Not a tc though 
EDIT: Scratch that I was only looking at the photo of it in water. It does look a bit off.
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MuckPeddler said: Oh really omg idk it didnt feel slimy to me and there was no foul odor coming off of it but if my other cakes failed then yah I can see how this one is probably contaminated as well. Previously they had like a yellow slime, so I tried another syringe and this one seemed to work. I think that ill order from another vendor next time because I did everything to keep the area clean but it just seemed like it was the syringes themselves, I flame sterilized till they were red hot but it still failed Ill see if they fruit and ill post pics before harvesting lol just to make sure that they look all g, do not wanna end up dead lmao.
I wouldn't be so quick to blame the syringe. Did you pressure cook your brf jars? Did you move them directly to a still air box after PC? Did you spray down everything you possibly could with 70% alcohol? Were you wearing gloves and a clean long sleeve both sprayed down with alcohol? Did you have self-healing injection ports or at least micropore tape the hole on the lids while they colonized? It takes some practice to really dial in keeping everything sterile.
Microbes are everywhere. In 1 handful of dirt, there are more bacteria cells than humans that have ever lived. Think about that for sec...    
You don't need absolutely 0 contams for a grow to be successful, but the better you practice aseptic technique, the cleaner everything will be.
Of course contaminated syringes occur and ruin people's pf tek grow which may be the case with you, I can't say. But I think it's a lot more common for it to be oversights in technique.
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Yah hahaha I did all of those things, I sprayed that 70% alcohol on everything that was near me, pressure cooked themm, used a SAB and sprayed down gloves and plopped a face mask on I really do not know what went wrong and I do not want to blame the syringes I understand that it could have just been because of aseptic reasons. Idk it was strange because I bought 5 needles and did multiple takes where I attempted to be extremely careful, and still chaos descended upon my jars. So many factors! I will feel very powerful when I pick up a handful of dirt from now on lol.
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You definitely don't need a clear lid. I grow in completely opaque containers sometimes.
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Re: Look good so far? [Re: lefty24]
#26773555 - 06/22/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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How long did pressure cook? And did you flame sterilize the needle ONLY? There’s no need wiping the syringe with alcohol especially after flaming the needle.
Did you leave the verm barrier between the myc and the lid undisturbed until 100% colonization and did you let the BRF consolidate a few extra days?
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Re: Look good so far? [Re: EntheoGod]
#26774331 - 06/22/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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For 1 and a half hours! And yes I heated the needle up until it was red hot and for an extra minute after it was red hot, and like on my first round of jars I did wipe them so that was my mistake. After that one time though I did not wipe the needles. I also heated it up again between jars. And yes I left it undisturbed and I let it consolidate for the extra days.
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Sounds like you did everything right..
I'd get a syringe from a different vendor and try again if you feel confident in how careful you were.
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Re: Look good so far? [Re: lefty24]
#26774435 - 06/22/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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lefty24 said: You definitely don't need a clear lid. I grow in completely opaque containers sometimes.
You're saying that you grow in a container that lets 0 light in all 6 sides? I doubt it. It's well known that myc needs some light to give you fruits.
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lefty24 said: You definitely don't need a clear lid. I grow in completely opaque containers sometimes.
You're saying that you grow in a container that lets 0 light in all 6 sides? I doubt it. It's well known that myc needs some light to give you fruits.
Nah, they will grow, just not nearly as well. Long, skinny, sparse.
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Re: Look good so far? [Re: AtmozFear]
#26774536 - 06/22/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’ve grown in the dark before I had a light. It works just not effectively or as pretty. I wouldn’t advise it.
Fresh air exchange is the key pinning trigger. Not light. This also has been disproven.
You can also expose mycelium at all stages to light as they benefit from it. Just a bit of info that’s outdated is all.
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Re: Look good so far? [Re: EntheoGod]
#26774685 - 06/22/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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EntheoGod said: I’ve grown in the dark before I had a light. It works just not effectively or as pretty. I wouldn’t advise it.
Fresh air exchange is the key pinning trigger. Not light. This also has been disproven.
You can also expose mycelium at all stages to light as they benefit from it. Just a bit of info that’s outdated is all.
Oh okay. I know light isn't the main pinning trigger, but I thought that in complete absence of light, fruits would never form. Learned somethin new
Am I right in thinking that when you're choosing a bin, one that is clear on all 6 sides will be better than one that has solid colored lid? I know it wouldn't be a huge difference because it would still get enough light, but to me it seems logical that you'd definitely want light coming in from the top and not only through the sides...anybody agree/disagree?
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Having light able to hit everywhere on the substrate surface is optimal for sure.
I actually don’t have a clear lid on mine and have had great flushes. I have a white lid with every other side being clear and most of my light comes from a single 6500k light shinning in the sides of several tubs. I’ve never noticed a difference between the tubs other than the fact that they are like plants and grow in the direction of the light source.
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light. They are deriving energy from the light and position themselves to get maximum benefit.
What mushrooms do not need is light to 'tell' them which way to grow. They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.
Here's a picture of penis envy which was turning toward a light source near the floor for exactly this kind of demonstration. RR
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