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Whats your ideal drug policy?
    #26081871 - 06/30/19 04:07 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Imagine a world or country where every drug is legal. Would that be your ideal drug policy? Or would you rather there be specific restrictions on certain drugs?

For me, i would legalize all the safe, classic psychs and then have some kins of restrictive policy for the more dangerous drugs like coke, meth and heorin, to orevent accidental deaths.

What would your custom Drug Policy be like?


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26081882 - 06/30/19 04:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I would maintain heavy restrictions on opioids, meth and other highly addictive drugs. I would decriminalise or legalise marijuana, lsd and mushrooms et al,  but not before a 5 year period of teaching in schools and public education of the risks of these things on developing brains and psyches. Driving under the influence would be automatic licence ban. In the case of marijuana and driving I would set the limit high so people who had been high 24 hours prior to being tested weren't unjustly booked.


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: Creep]
    #26081908 - 06/30/19 05:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Very well thought out! I like it :takingnotes:


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26081965 - 06/30/19 06:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

free drugs


and people should probably learn to use these things properly at a specialized facility with highly experienced/trained staff


i want to popularize this idea lol


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26092027 - 07/05/19 08:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

This is just an idea, maybe not even a very good one, but I wanted to throw this out there anyway:

Possession is legal, but you should have to get a licence to use (to buy) certain drugs. This would require classes, maybe a lot of classes, that teach you about the experience and the dangers involved. You'd have to follow rules, use in a safe way, etc. otherwise your licence could be suspended.

Different drugs would have different restrictions depending on their relative danger. MDPV for example would still be completely 100% banned.

For opiates, there would be the most restrictions. The government would be the only supplier. You'd have to abide by a shitton of rules (like not breaking the law, holding down a job, etc.) in order to be able to buy them. You'd have to buy them and use them in a place surrounded by info on how to quit, with as much support for people who want to quit as humanly possible. If you broke a rule (such as by breaking the law) the dose you'd be allowed to buy would be cut in half. Breaking another would cut it in half again, and so on. If, on the other hand, you obeyed all the rules, broke no laws, maintained a good job, etc. then your dose could be increased back to its original amount over time with good behavior.

Psychedelics would require a shitton of classes to educate people on how to use them right. They might even require you to use them in controlled environments at first, like at hospital type places run by doctors, or psychologists, that kind of thing. Over time, perhaps you could apply for a licence to use them at your own home; if you jumped through enough hoops, took enough classes, etc. MDMA and MDMA like drugs would probably work the same. Same for dissociatives probably.

For simple stimulants like adderall, ritalin, you should have to take some classes, and the amount you'd be allowed would be closely restricted, monitored, and kept to a medically useful amount. Other stimulants (eg: meth) might not be available for sale. Probably the same for benzos, but with more restrictions, and more help to quit, more classes, etc.

Deliriants and other genuinely bad drugs would not be available for sale.

Still, through all of this possession would be legal, but your drugs might be confiscated if you don't have a licence.


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: nooneman]
    #26092032 - 07/05/19 08:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Good question

How about something like the Netherlands?


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: nooneman]
    #26760304 - 06/20/20 07:17 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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Possession is legal, but you should have to get a licence to use (to buy) certain drugs.  You'd have to follow rules, use in a safe way, etc. otherwise your licence could be suspended.





The only issue I see with this is that it would create another situation that could potentially penalize petty drug users and that is a main reason to abolish the war on drugs. Also when you create a situation where each drug has to be used a specific way, this would not allow for people to be able to fully immerse themselves and engage in the experience they want to. While its hard to accept sometimes people will do reckless things but just due to this being dangerous that does not necessarily mean it should be outlawed. The drug education is a great idea and yes should be mandatory but I would say after that people should be free to use the knowledge to their own choice and extent. Therefore foster creativity and freedom of exploration. If they have gone through the classes lets say growing up in school, learn all they need to know and then choose to not follow the rules, they only have themselves to blame. The only time drug users should be criminalized is when their actions lead to the harm of another human.


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: Mguishroom]
    #26760308 - 06/20/20 07:18 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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nooneman said:
Possession is legal, but you should have to get a licence to use (to buy) certain drugs.  You'd have to follow rules, use in a safe way, etc. otherwise your licence could be suspended.





The only issue I see with this is that it would create another situation that could potentially penalize petty drug users and that is a main reason to abolish the war on drugs. Also when you create a situation where each drug has to be used a specific way, this would not allow for people to be able to fully immerse themselves and engage in the experience they want to. While its hard to accept sometimes people will do reckless things but just due to this being dangerous that does not necessarily mean it should be outlawed. The drug education is a great idea and yes should be mandatory but I would say after that people should be free to use the knowledge to their own choice and extent. Therefore foster creativity and freedom of exploration. If they have gone through the classes lets say growing up in school, learn all they need to know and then choose to not follow the rules, they only have themselves to blame. The only time drug users should be criminalized is when their actions lead to the harm of another human.




wow did not see how old the thread was :confused:


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: nooneman]
    #26760312 - 06/20/20 07:18 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

U need a licence to buy certain drugs?

Treat those drugs like they are motor vehicles which sometimes gets into accidents :sadyes:

I think thats a great idea! :takingnotes:


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26829958 - 07/18/20 01:44 AM (20 days, 15 hours ago)

Completely legal with manufacturing only regulating waste and making sure its disposed of safely and properly


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Re: Whats your ideal drug policy? [Re: budmanman]
    #26831611 - 07/19/20 12:45 AM (19 days, 16 hours ago)

I know this thread is old but there's been some recent activity so here's my :twocents::twocents:

Legalize all drugs. Have an "allow but discourage" stance towards substances with more harm & abuse potential. Put drug policy in the hands of health-departments rather than a judicial departments. Provide education & mental health support alongside the sale of drugs. This has been shown to be effective by plenty of studies in the past. (Namely studies on alcohol prohibition, drug prohibition in portugal, but also other studies)

The reason why decriminalization alone does not work is that it maintains organized crime and we become complicit in the violence caused by the underground market. The only solution is a properly regulated market.

The fact is that as much as we become complicit in the safe use of people using drugs under legalization (a legitimate concern), by criminalizing buyers OR suppliers, we become complicit in the unsafe use, and the violence behind drug use that is magnified by criminalization.

Problematic drug use is a fact of modern society as it exists right now. The choice is in whether we provide those who use drugs with informed consent and support, and whether or not we want criminal organizations to benefit off of, and murder on behalf of, the system we have in place.


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