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First timer: Food of the Gods
#26760130 - 06/20/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is my first time growing mushrooms after wanting to do this for a long time. I’ve followed Bodhi’s monotub mod. Got myself a Golden Teacher spore vial, procured some rye grain inoculation jars and away we went.
I inoculated three rye grain jars by syringe on 5/22. I didn’t aim for the edges where the grain was touching the glass, I think I will from now on. I patiently waited. Ten days went by and I had zero growth. I started to get impatient. But finally, a few days later I finally got what I was hoping for!
On 6/12 I shook all three jars.
Jar #1 was at 25% spread at time of shaking Jar#2 was at 20% Jar#3 was at 10% (Pictures were taken after shaking)






On 6/17 I had to ditch jar #2 due to contamination.



On 6/18 I birthed Jar1 and Jar3 into my mini sterilite tub with coir using the same method explained in the video. I’m using a 4ft aquarium full spectrum light. Because the top of the tub is not clear, I am lighting from the side and rotating my tub daily. I’ve taped off the bottom 3 inches to prevent side pinning.


And today (6/20) I have growth!

Thanks to all the resources available here I’m hopeful that I will have some enlightening experiences in the coming months! I appreciate you guys have done so much that I was able to learn how to tackle this little project. Fingers crossed!
Edited by Pr0m3th3u5 (06/20/20 03:49 PM)
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26760190 - 06/20/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome dude! Good luck
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Taping the bottom of the tub won’t prevent side pins.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26760445 - 06/20/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The current theory (as I understand it) is that light has nothing to do with sidepins, and only by making preferable surface conditions at the top will you avoid it -- i.e. push down edges to make microclimates harder on the side, make the top layer level with a good amount of water beading so that the mycelium knows where to put it's fruits.
Some even put their coir slightly under field capacity, then give a casing layer a good soaking to encourage it that way.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Biscuits] 1
#26760818 - 06/20/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Taping the bottom of the tub won’t prevent side pins.
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Biscuits said: The current theory (as I understand it) is that light has nothing to do with sidepins, and only by making preferable surface conditions at the top will you avoid it -- i.e. push down edges to make microclimates harder on the side, make the top layer level with a good amount of water beading so that the mycelium knows where to put it's fruits.
Some even put their coir slightly under field capacity, then give a casing layer a good soaking to encourage it that way.
Thank you both. There is a lot to learn.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26760831 - 06/20/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep, just learned something new:
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Why, because the tub is opaque?
There is no certain type of tub that "does not allow side pinning", that is just nonsense.
PE and what other such strains? More nonsense.
The substrate, no matter what tub it's in, is going to consilidate and shrink.
This means the sides of the substrate is going to get FAE, unless you use a liner.
Light does not cause side pinning, FAE does.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26763022 - 06/21/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spawn run coming along nicely!
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5] 1
#26777545 - 06/23/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Day 4 So far, so good. Hoping I didn’t screw this up!
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777593 - 06/23/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don’t like the poor recovery on lots of those grains. Looks very bacterial. That doesn’t mean you won’t get a flush, but don’t bank on it.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26777646 - 06/23/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gotcha.
I'll temper my enthusiasm then.
I'll have to do some more research.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26777647 - 06/23/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah I think there are both, a lot of mycellium and a lot of bacteria.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: AtmozFear]
#26777717 - 06/23/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry I'm such a beginner...
So which is which?
What are you seeing? (Just trying to learn here)
Is there anything I can do? What should I be aware of for next time?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777826 - 06/23/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bacteria is shiny sometimes... and always stinks.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: AtmozFear]
#26777851 - 06/23/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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AtmozFear said: bacteria is shiny sometimes... and always stinks.
When I threw out my contaminated jar, I definitely smelled the funk.
I haven't gotten the same thing here. Smells pretty fresh and clean actually. But thanks, I will keep my attention on it.
I think maybe I rushed the jars into the tub with the substrate. Probably could have used a few more days. Impatience is a killer in this world, as far as I can tell.
Maybe I should be casing? Bod's monotub tek seemed like he didn't need it, but maybe it is something I will do next time.
Still hoping this batch won't contaminate. Fingers crossed.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777859 - 06/23/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or maybe if the one jar hadn't been thrown out, I would have three jars of spawn for the tub. Which might have been more resilient and overcome any bacteria...
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777871 - 06/23/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can always look for myco piss... if this happens, I've actually saved a tub by keeping the top off for a day and letting the sub dry out... then I re-hydrate it.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26777880 - 06/23/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bacteria only stinks if it’s rampant. I would say it often had little to no smell.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: AtmozFear]
#26777899 - 06/23/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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AtmozFear said: you can always look for myco piss... if this happens, I've actually saved a tub by keeping the top off for a day and letting the sub dry out... then I re-hydrate it.
Thanks. Researching that now.
I'm not seeing any pooling or yellow discoloration. My humidity is pretty much maxed out in the tub (99% according to my hygrometer). I'm wondering if I should allow it to dry out a little bit but worried I risk more bacteria and contam.
Maybe I will just leave it. Allow it to slowly decrease humidity naturally. I'm only taking the lid off (it rests upside down, small FAE gap) a few times a day. I won't be misting until I can get a reading around 90%.
Or should I just take the lid off for a couple hours and bacteria be damned?
Of course, if my questions are ridiculous please say so. I'm feeling my way through the dark. I'm just happy to have this and other sites as a reference.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26777903 - 06/23/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Bacteria only stinks if it’s rampant. I would say it often had little to no smell.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777917 - 06/23/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Live look at the surface.
Too wet?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777922 - 06/23/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26777952 - 06/23/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It’s okay. I’m more worried about the growth pattern. But there’s nothing you can really do about that, it’ll be what it is.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26777975 - 06/23/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: It’s okay. I’m more worried about the growth pattern. But there’s nothing you can really do about that, it’ll be what it is.
I appreciate it. I'll keep posting updates so we can all see what went right/wrong. Let me know if there is any info that I can be providing to help others out in understanding what is happening.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26783117 - 06/25/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update: Day 6 in the tub.
Growth seems to have been slower...
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26787320 - 06/27/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A couple more update pictures.
Looking good?

Are those little spikes the beginning of pins or something else?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26787331 - 06/27/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like knots. Also looks quite terrible, like mold is about to spring forth
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26787349 - 06/27/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks a little iffy in there but I see knots so you'll have something popping up soon.
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Thanks y’all. Just got my UV wand today so I gave it a little once over to see if I can stall the bacteria/mold.
We will see.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26788433 - 06/27/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, several new areas setting up hyphal knots.
Learning as I go, but I’m hoping I’ve got something to celebrate in a week or two!



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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26788600 - 06/28/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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youll get something at least. but it looks like some sort of bacterial contam all thru it🤷🏼 but you will get some fruits and be able to learn from it so the next grow will only be better. 👍😃 but what were your sterile work methods?? did u use agar? what are your environmental conditions? what is your substrate made of?? how long and how did u prepare the substrate?? info like that will always help others to pinpoint potential things that can cause shit to go wrong so the more info u provide the better your chances of figuring it out will be😃😃
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: jcm4620]
#26790821 - 06/28/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: youll get something at least. but it looks like some sort of bacterial contam all thru it🤷🏼 but you will get some fruits and be able to learn from it so the next grow will only be better. 👍😃 but what were your sterile work methods?? did u use agar? what are your environmental conditions? what is your substrate made of?? how long and how did u prepare the substrate?? info like that will always help others to pinpoint potential things that can cause shit to go wrong so the more info u provide the better your chances of figuring it out will be😃😃
Appreciate it. Here's everything according to my records.
I bought 3 - 1qt jars of rye berries on Etsy. I inoculated them on 5/22 via a spore vial of Golden Teachers. I didn't construct an inoculation box, so that is where my problems probably started. I mentioned that I lost one of the jars to contamination.
The jars were stored in the dark for the first ten days. Conditions were 85F day and 70F at night.They were then moved them halfway through to a room where they were getting some light. 73F consistently. I shook the jars on 6/12 and then "birthed" them into the tub on 6/19.
I used a half brick of coir (which I only used about 2/3 of when it was prepared) in my 12 QT sterilite container with a white lid (not clear). I know this isn't the exact monotub used in the brilliant tek by Bod, and using rye berries was also a deviation from the oats used in his experience. I simply tried to make work what I had, so I accept the caveat the ymmv. However, with the lid placed upside down there is a similar air gap as in the original tek. I've simply had a bunch of time to monitor the conditions inside the tub so I'm trying to monitor FAE / humidity / temp. Here's the air gap:

Since they've been in the tub, I've maintained 99% humidity. In the beginning, zero misting was needed (for about a week). I did take the top off about 2-3 times a day for a little FAE. Now that I've gotten a bit more activity I've been upping the FAE to taking the top off for about a half hour with a light fanning twice a day. Then I put the top back on, wait an hour or so and mist again. The tub has been between 77-85F. I have a small mat heater that I turn on to supplement during the evenings. The room ambient is about 73F and 40%RH.
I also purchased a UV want online that is supposedly safe for mycology but bad for bacteria. I used that both on 6/28 and today 6/29. Who knows if it works or not? I'm not knowledgeable enough to know.
Now I'm getting a bunch of knots, I hope to see some pinning here in a couple days.
Anyways, let me know if there is any more info I can provide. I've already learned how to prevent side pins by using a liner next time. I will also build a sterile box for inoculation next time. I will also change my jar conditions and wait an extra couple of days before transferring them to the tub, I think I rushed it a little this time.
Edited by Pr0m3th3u5 (06/29/20 10:34 PM)
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26790936 - 06/28/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pr0m3th3u5 said: Yep, just learned something new:
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Why, because the tub is opaque?
There is no certain type of tub that "does not allow side pinning", that is just nonsense.
PE and what other such strains? More nonsense.
The substrate, no matter what tub it's in, is going to consilidate and shrink.
This means the sides of the substrate is going to get FAE, unless you use a liner.
Light does not cause side pinning, FAE does.
And now, I get it. After seeing my tub grow, I can see the substrate and mycelia have consolidated and pulled back from the sides. Leaving a gap where air exchange is present and moisture is in abundance.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793102 - 06/29/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Should primordial/knots have a little hole at the top like this?
Most of my bigger little-guys have this hole in the top.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793157 - 06/29/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might be growing some oysters It's been known to happen. Can you get a clearer close up?
Looking back on the grow it would explain the odd look of the myc. We're always looking at it expecting cube myc and gauging everything with that in mind.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793158 - 06/29/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like Schizophyllum commune. If so it’s fucked, that’s a very aggressive contaminant mushroom.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26793172 - 06/29/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here’s a better shot:
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Roger Clemency said: You might be growing some oysters It's been known to happen. Can you get a clearer close up?
Just doing some quick google research and that looks likely.
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Roger Clemency said: You might be growing some oysters It's been known to happen. Can you get a clearer close up?
Looking back on the grow it would explain the odd look of the myc. We're always looking at it expecting cube myc and gauging everything with that in mind.
If true, is that a contam problem, or did I get some bunk spores from a vendor?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793192 - 06/29/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That close up looks like Schizophyllum commune like the pasty man said, which isn't nearly as good as oysters lol. Then you could at least eat the things.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793204 - 06/29/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793300 - 06/29/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I would get rid of that. It’s probably all S. commune
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26793308 - 06/29/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Yeah I would get rid of that. It’s probably all S. commune
Gotcha. I've got a few days before I head out of town so I'll see where it goes. I'm not growing anything else here, so I'm not risking contam of anything else. I might as well learn what this looks like when it takes hold and spreads to maturity.
Preesh your help, man.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793314 - 06/29/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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S. commune produces spores like a motherfucker. A bad spore dump could fuck up your future grows down the road.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26793331 - 06/29/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh.
Well, sheeeeeeit.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26793359 - 06/29/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Love the close ups!
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: retowen]
#26793379 - 06/29/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So i found this little thread. So what I am seeing is "inverted gills" at first growth which likely grows into S Commune.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21770835
But I'm also seeing something that looks very similar in oyster mushrooms:
https://www.gmushrooms.com/pots/Blue%20Oyster%20Mushroom%20Development.htm
Either way, it doesn't appear I'm going to be getting any cubes out of this. None of the pictures of cubensis mycelium and knots and pinning looks anything like what I've got going on. Plus waiting to see what is what could increase the spore load in my place and places at risk future grows?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26795033 - 06/30/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man. I don't know much about the Schizophrenic Communists but I wouldn't fuck around with them. I'd burn it with fire. Or at least just throw it in the woods.
Meanwhile clean up your area and get some spores on agar plates so you can get CUBES. The spawn looked pretty sketchy from the start which unfortunately is common going spores to grain.
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Roger Clemency said: Yeah man. I don't know much about the Schizophrenic Communists but I wouldn't fuck around with them. I'd burn it with fire. Or at least just throw it in the woods.
Meanwhile clean up your area and get some spores on agar plates so you can get CUBES. The spawn looked pretty sketchy from the start which unfortunately is common going spores to grain.
Yeah, the whole bit got tossed, gonna start over. Perhaps I'll tackle the agar now. I have the time to learn.
I appreciate ya'll helping me out. I'm going to do a little more research and then come back with better results.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26795703 - 06/30/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: S. commune produces spores like a motherfucker. A bad spore dump could fuck up your future grows down the road.
Reading your agar tek right now.
Thanks again for the help.
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26800222 - 07/02/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Second chance :
Just inoculated two trays with PES Hawaiian. Gonna experiment with this to see if I can isolate them a bit from any other stuff.
Quick question, where should I store my inoculated plates? What are the best conditions for them?

Wish me luck.
Edit= I found a table for temp conditions for different types of Agar.
Edited by Pr0m3th3u5 (07/02/20 08:52 PM)
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26887499 - 08/18/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So we started anew.
Learned about agar, poured some plates, trial and error.
And now it looks (knock on wood) that I’ve got some clean growth.
In blue LME agar: 2 plates T1-PanCyanJamaican

In neutral PDA: 2 plates T2-Cambodian

Unfortunately I gotta take a one month work trip on Monday. Plates will go to the fridge for a few weeks, or if they spread enough I will combine with grain jars for the 4 week fridge cycle, then let them spawn after I get back.
What do you think?
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26887825 - 08/19/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They look pretty good. I would take some wedges to jars and then just leave the jars out to colonize while you’re gone. Without a shake the myc will probably be finishing up right around the time you get back.
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I was thinking the same thing, but there is a chance that my employer keeps me out there for an indeterminate amount of time. I could make it home on time, or I could be there until the end of the year. I'm a gig worker so staying longer would be beneficial for me.
I think I will drop the wedges on Sunday, then keep them refrigerated to retard growth while I am away. When I return home, I'll take them out and hope they start up rather quickly.
Edited by Pr0m3th3u5 (08/19/20 07:49 PM)
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Re: First timer: Food of the Gods [Re: Pr0m3th3u5]
#26895835 - 08/23/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wedges to grain:

And into the refrigerator they go so. As suspected, my job extended by a week. Perhaps more, we will see. Five weeks away, I didn't want to leave them out in an apartment that won't be climate controlled in the dead of summer.
When I return, they will come out and we can see if any progress was made while I was gone. Or if we can jump start the process.
Thanks for all the help, ya'll.
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