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OfflineJohn Stossel
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Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination?
    #26754663 - 06/18/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Heyo! Just got a bunch of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds and i hear a lot about the nausea that some people experience on it. I'm planning on trying it with some friends and would definitely rather they not get mad at me for making them vomit hahaha. Any recommended methods to reduce nausea? Would any nausea/motion sickness medicines happen to help? I know i have a few nauzene tablets in the medicine cabinet and i could definitely pick up something like dramamine from the store. I also saw someone on erowid say baking it into brownies eliminated all nausea for them. Any corroboration on that? Thanks!


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: John Stossel]
    #26755504 - 06/18/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure about baking them, but if that works that would be cool and interesting. Not sure about the Dramamine either.

However, i've read that Lemon essential oil works for relieving/eliminating the nausea/vomiting with HBWR/LSA, google it and see what you come across. If you try the Lemon EO, make sure you get a good brand, 100% undiluted therapeutic grade. Though ime, the main active in Lemon EO which seems to block out nausea/vomiting is Limonene, some people were saying it was Beta-Pinene but i've tried various isolated/individual terpenes that are also found in Lemon EO and Limonene seems to be what works. I haven't tried it with HBWR yet, but both Lemon EO, and Limonene, seem to effectively block out the nausea/vomiting from Ayahuasca/Harmalas/Syrian Rue. 10 drops of either Lemon EO or pure Limonene in a capsule should do the trick, as for when to take the Lemon EO or Limonene, i'd say either 30 minutes to an hour beforehand or at the same time as the HBWR.

You may also try Ginger, however i feel the Lemon EO/Limonene probably would work better. In fact i think a friend of mine tried Lemon EO with an LSA extract and said it worked.

Cannabis may help with the nausea too, last time i took HBWR i was smoking Cannabis and it did seem to help with the nausea, but i still had gut discomfort/bloating and still vomited. But yeah, try the Lemon EO or Limonene, should be good to go.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: John Stossel]
    #26755870 - 06/18/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

One of the best ways is to do a Cold Water Extraction using cold water, lemon juice and ginger. Let ground up seed mush soak for 6-12 hrs filter then drink.

A more advanced method is to extract using methanol and evaporate. See my Journal under "Very Effective LSA Extraction" for more info.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26755888 - 06/18/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I once heard sprouting the seeds helps  to eliminate nausea and stomach cramps.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: Zifozonke] * 2
    #26759283 - 06/20/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

At least half (and most significant) of the actives within the seeds themselves that actually cause the god awful side effects are also removed with polar/non polar extractions.

This is evinced by the fact that if you use the seeds two days in a row, not only will one develop a tolerance to the effects, but also the side effects (nausea etc).

You cannot remove one without removing the other(s) as the unfortunate truth is the actives will produce side effects. Although you will still trip using extractions, it is IME a pale imitation of the experience awaiting one if he manages to hold the seeds down, which is like a full-blown LSD trip with effects that vary from seed to seed (try Madagascan or Tahitian). Baking them into brownies (lol) probably works only because doing so kills the alkaloids within the seeds!

Here is something very interesting I found on Reddit that appears to confirm what I have always believed myself, and learned from extensive empirical experience when I was younger, that if you perform polar/non-polar extractions on these seeds you will be removing a good proportion of the active alkaloids.

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Studies on the Alkaloid Composition of the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Argyreia Nervosa, a Common Legal High

Alexander Paulke et al. Forensic Sci Int. Apr 2015

Seeds from the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Argyreia nervosa of different origin and labelling and with allegedly high levels of ergot alkaloids were analysed using high performance liquid chromatography-high resolution mass spectrometry (HPLC-HRMS/MS) technique. Lysergic acid amide (LSA), ergometrine, lysergol/elymoclavine/setoclavine, chanoclavine, lysergic acid and their respective stereoisomers were identified as well as penniclavine and lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide. In addition, methylergometrine, methysergide, and lysergylalanine were detected, some high molecular weight ergot alkaloid derivatives and hydroxyalanine derived ergopeptide fragments were detected indicating the presence of ergopeptides in the seeds. The results of the study demonstrate that the content of ergot alkaloids in Argyreia nervosa seeds depends on the quality of the material.

The following alkaloids are psychoactive, elymoclavine, setoclavine, methylergometrine, methysergide, lysergylalanine, ergometrine and finally Lysergic acid amide (LSA). There was a total of 19 indole alkaloids found in the seed some in trace amounts.

I hope this helps clear up why you should eat the full seed for full effect (dehusking them is fine tho) as a cold water extraction can only extract the water soluble alkaloids.

I have a way of reducing nausea but still getting the full effect first you take the furry coat off then grind the seeds up then sieve it in a standerd flower sieve then regrind the stuff left in the sieve do this no more than 3 times total then discard what remains in the sieve. This should separate the inner seeds from the outer shell you should have a greeny yellowy powder left put this in to pills and you ready to trip balls. You want to use a little more seeds tho if u want to trip on 4 then grind 6 or 7 and you should have the effects of 4 without a good chuck of the nausea (altho this isn't totally nausea free as its the various alkaloids causing alot of the nausea).

This method is well tested I have used it over 20 times with fantastic effect. Happy tripping




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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #26760006 - 06/20/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ha, don't do what I did in early high school....

Held the seeds in a tweezer, burned the outside, ground them up and drank down in a shot of water. That was the first time, just a couple seeds and effect was wonderful. Second time was same process but a dozen plus seeds and OMG what a horrid experience. Hours and hours of laying in a bathroom with my cheek against a filthy, breathing toilet. Haha, don't do that.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26763101 - 06/21/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have never once had a bad
Experience from them.
One time I took my biggest
Dose of 15 and still didn’t
Get nausea and vomit.
I guess everybody’s body
Tolerance is different.
Or the seeds are different.
Containing different amounts
Of alkaloids in each. Like most
Seeds, leafs and plants.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: ft116]
    #26768808 - 06/21/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've had as many as 7 potent seeds. I always took a dramamine an hour because how horrible people made the stomach issues sound. Very strong stuff - my first real psychedelic experience.


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Re: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Nausea Elimination? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #26769596 - 06/21/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for sharing, wolf8312. I am going to have to give that a try. I haven't had much luck with CWE (My seeds are either old, I didn't use enough, or I didn't soak them long enough - maybe a combination of issues).


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