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    #26756706 - 06/19/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello All,

So after going down the rabbit hole on several teks and reviews notes from many master mycologists I have notice a growing trend of skipping the incubation period and going straight to fruiting. Basically once your grain is inoculated and almost 100% colonized just mix it into sub/casing and put under light, reduce humidity and lots of FAE (which should naturally reduce humidity).

Back to temps. Older notes state that you should colonize sub first at higher temps 80-86 and then reduce for fruiting to about 80. My questions is do you really need to mess with the temp or just keep the fruitung and incubation space at 80 all the time regardless of stage?

If the temp drop is that important and you want to colonize for a few days before going straight to fruit, than is there anyone using any kind of temp hacks? Like keeping the room temp the same but black garbage bagging during the colonization phase which not only causes the co2 to build up (in a modified monotub with FAE holes), but also increases the internal tub temp a few degrees higher (i understand the light exposure is irrelevant, so keeping in he dark isn't necessarily the purpose of the bag).

Did this even make sense lol? To simplify, can you just keep the room the same temp for all stages and if you want to manipulate temp, do so locally with each tub rather than rely on ambient room temp?


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26756743 - 06/19/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Room temperature is best for all stages of growth. Temps above 80 will favor contaminants more than the mycelium.

68-72°f is ideal. Keep it simple.

Incubation is outdated and only necessary if you are, say, growing in the garage in winter, or something like that. When researching on this site be sure to check dates of posts and only use more recent info. We are constantly learning here and things change fast.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: One of Us]
    #26756756 - 06/19/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

80 is really too high to keep a room, as one of us said low 70s is ideal. The substrates produce a good deal of heat and the temperatures in the jars and tubs will be higher than the air temperature. 80 might be a decent temp to keep a nice commercial petri dish incubator to get the absolute max growth on agar but that's overkill and the gains are probably fairly negligible over just keeping those in a steady room temp. That is one of the most important things about temp is that you need the temp to be consistent within a few degrees throughout the day to prevent excessive condensation in tubs,jars, bags and petris. The best way to keep your room consistent is to use a temp controller that has a window unit and a space heater plugged in to it. Get a temp controller that can handle 1500 watts. I can't tell you how many days a year the heater runs a bit at night and the ac runs a bit in the day to keep the temp nice and steady.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: sandman420]
    #26756894 - 06/19/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If I had a perfect temp control area I would colonize jars at 76 and fruit tubs at 70.

I fruited a bunch of shoeboxes over winter in the mid 50s. Jars stalled out completely but the tubs did great.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: A.k.a]
    #26757587 - 06/19/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies so far guys :smile:

So 70 it is for all stages. I like to KSS.

On a side note. Has anyone also tried to replicate natural swings in temps? ie. cooler in the morning, heating up mid day and then cooling right off at night? Instinctively this makes sense to me


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: maxmush]
    #26757612 - 06/19/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Someone smarter than me once pointed out- were not trying to replicate nature with an indoor grow. Indoor grows should Have better conditions than nature does so we can produce better results than nature.

However, if you grow near a window you might get some of those swings without even trying. I know my grow room gets hotter during the day than it does at night even when I don’t mess with the thermostat, but If you’re like me, I like to bring the thermostat down a couple degrees before going to bed so I don’t get too hot under the covers.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26757684 - 06/19/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

those swings happen naturally anyway, even indoors usually

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Someone smarter than me once pointed out- were not trying to replicate nature with an indoor grow. Indoor grows should Have better conditions than nature does so we can produce better results than nature.

However, if you grow near a window you might get some of those swings without even trying. I know my grow room gets hotter during the day than it does at night even when I don’t mess with the thermostat, but If you’re like me, I like to bring the thermostat down a couple degrees before going to bed so I don’t get too hot under the covers.




Yes and no... youre right that a natural cube patch will not perform as well as a good indoor grow

BUT no good indoor grow is gonna compete with a good natural patch of ovoids, azures, pan cyans, etc

Also, good indoor cube grows can be blown away by a good artificial outdoor patches

Little secret: outdoor air is vastly superior to indoor air. Ive tested this over and over because i didnt believe it, but for some reason they love outdoor air vs recycled indoor air. And contam way less. And get way bigger. My ideal grow room would be pumping in air from outdoors


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26757868 - 06/19/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m gonna try that when it cools down here.

Run a clone and do one normally and one in a room with a fan in the window blowing in air from outside. It is wild how different outdoor cubes look.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26758124 - 06/19/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would assume its because of higher oxygen content and less co2 in outdoor air. I am also assuming the outdoor air you are referring to is from an area not known for high amount of pollutants (ie. Bangkok, L.A.,etc.) I also speculate that indoor air gets "stale"fast and if it does get contaminated, these contaminants will just keep recycling through the enclosed air space.

CosmicGiggle - I appreciate the indoor shows are meant to improve on nature to produce bigger and better yields, but can we really improve on nature is my question? Wouldn't replicating a "perfect condition" day in nature over and over again consistently indoors theoretically be the best way? I am totally just philosophizing (and baked) so bare with me :smile:


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: maxmush]
    #26758269 - 06/19/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well yeah if you could control the weather outdoor would be great. Although that’s basically what inside grows do anyway, if you got crazy and pumped gas into the room you could probably replicate nature.

Now that I think of it I started using a window ac in the growroom last week. That should be pumping in lots of air, it’d be cool if it helped my tubs.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: A.k.a]
    #26758445 - 06/19/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Air conditioning just cools the air that's already in the room. It does not bring in fresh air.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: Anastomosis]
    #26758641 - 06/19/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Air conditioning just cools the air that's already in the room. It does not bring in fresh air.




He said window unit.


And C10, I buy that for everything except pan  cyans. Not that I’ve seen many natural outdoor patches, but the ones I’ve seen haven’t been anything close to what is being grown by the experienced pan growers here. Unless you meant Ps Cyans?

I guess I should have been more specific. But yes I would agree the outdoor species like ovoids and azures won’t do as well inside. I’ve just never seen the typically grown indoor species like cubes and pans fruit as well outside as they would inside by an experienced grower.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: CosmicGiggle] * 1
    #26758687 - 06/19/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Anastomosis said:
Air conditioning just cools the air that's already in the room. It does not bring in fresh air.




He said window unit.


And C10, I buy that for everything except pan  cyans. Not that I’ve seen many natural outdoor patches, but the ones I’ve seen haven’t been anything close to what is being grown by the experienced pan growers here. Unless you meant Ps Cyans?

I guess I should have been more specific. But yes I would agree the outdoor species like ovoids and azures won’t do as well inside. I’ve just never seen the typically grown indoor species like cubes and pans fruit as well outside as they would inside by an experienced grower.




Doesn't matter. They all work the same way.
Heat from the inside the house is absorbed by refrigerant.The refrigerant gets hot.The heat from the house is transferred outside via the refrigerant, flowing from warmer to cooler to be released/transferred to outdoor air.The refrigerant gets cold, and is distributed through the house.


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    #26758762 - 06/19/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: aga080]
    #26759384 - 06/20/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah you’re right about the ac I was thinking it worked like a fan but it would be way to inefficient to keep cooling the hot outside air.

I used to do the reverse light cycle thing with weed so I could hide them during the daytime and then run the lights while I was home at night.


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Re: Temperature "hacks" [Re: Anastomosis]
    #26760173 - 06/20/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anastomosis said:
Quote:

CosmicGiggle said:
Quote:

Anastomosis said:
Air conditioning just cools the air that's already in the room. It does not bring in fresh air.




He said window unit.


And C10, I buy that for everything except pan  cyans. Not that I’ve seen many natural outdoor patches, but the ones I’ve seen haven’t been anything close to what is being grown by the experienced pan growers here. Unless you meant Ps Cyans?

I guess I should have been more specific. But yes I would agree the outdoor species like ovoids and azures won’t do as well inside. I’ve just never seen the typically grown indoor species like cubes and pans fruit as well outside as they would inside by an experienced grower.




Doesn't matter. They all work the same way.
Heat from the inside the house is absorbed by refrigerant.The refrigerant gets hot.The heat from the house is transferred outside via the refrigerant, flowing from warmer to cooler to be released/transferred to outdoor air.The refrigerant gets cold, and is distributed through the house.




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