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Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth?
#26758277 - 06/19/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have some jars that have begun colonizing as well as a couple jars that I need to spawn. I know for the colonization of jars temperatures need to be higher, like in the high 70’s. However, whenever I spawn a shoebox I usually drop the temperature to the lower 70’s around 72 to 75 degrees spawning straight to fruiting temperatures. I don’t have a separate grow room or anything, I’m just in one place. Colonizing jars need higher temperatures while I need lower temperatures for spawning a shoebox. Is there a happy medium temperature that will work for both stages? How should I balance this? Not sure on what to do...
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26758313 - 06/19/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jars don't need higher temps, nor are higher temps ideal, IMO. 70-75 is fantastic for everything throughout the entire process
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26758427 - 06/19/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really? I thought ideal temperatures for mycelium colonization of jars need to be higher in the upper 70’s...
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26758448 - 06/19/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's the way it was most commonly understood back in the day. I think that's what Stamets wrote in his book, but over the years people slowly started to realize that there was no significant benefit, and further, that contamination was actually more common when colonizing at those higher temps. It creates an environment that's more friendly to common contaminants. So for some time now it seems the common standard in mush cult communities has been 68-76f for all stages of the process
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: Apples in Mono] 1
#26758589 - 06/19/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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65-75 perfect range, imo, and I would imagine many other people around the shroomery would agree.
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: MH5109]
#26758674 - 06/19/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay cool. Shit, so I have been doing my jar colonization temperatures too high this whole time in the upper 70's?
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26758770 - 06/19/20 11:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It isn't a problem per se. If the jar is virtually perfectly clean after inoculation, and your GE filters are solid, then those higher temps won't be a problem and your jars will likely colonize a bit quicker. But jars aren't always perfectly clean after inoculation, especially if inoculated with spore solution, and those higher temps will facilitate bacterial growth and mold spore germination. So you have to weigh your priorities, and it seems to me that the benefit of slightly quicker colonization is outweighed by the detriment of providing a more ideal environment for any present contams to flourish. Plus a lot of people don't consider that colonizing mycelium is also producing it's own heat, so some people will colonize jars in the low to mid 80s ambient, but the core of those jars is actually considerably hotter, perhaps by over 10 degrees, in which case it's too hot for the culture anyway, even if the jar is virtually free of all contaminants
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26759130 - 06/20/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can anyone describe what happens in the lower 80s and mid to upper?
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: lefty24]
#26759145 - 06/20/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What happens in the 80's is you are bacteria farming.
You don't need two different temperatures for different stages. You need comfortable room temperature or slightly less. 70-75 is great. 68 is better than 76 or over. Temps in the 60's are fine. They just slow it down a tiny bit. That's much better than ruining it.
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26760175 - 06/20/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've dropped down my temperature to 75 degrees.
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26760219 - 06/20/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The ideal temp for whatever family of mushrooms cubes fall in (dont remember) is 74f. According to something I read on wikipedia : ) lol.
So that might be where they're happiest at all stages. The idea of different temps i think is based on human desires. Kicking up the heat a little can speed up colonization, but if you fruit at high temps the mushrooms grow fast and stringy and hollow so you want to drop it. But I just roll with 68-70. 10 day colonization with LI, pins in 10 days, and everything is still comfortable in my room.
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26760257 - 06/20/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I know for fruiting conditions that the temperature needs to be low 70's. I was speaking more specifically to colonizing jars, I thought the temperatures need to be in the higher end of the 70's for colonization. When I spawn, I spawn straight to fruiting conditions, so I would bring the temperature down to the low 70's. But now that I have 2 different stages of the cultivation process going on - colonizing jars and spawning a tub - I was wondering how I go about that and keeping things consistent since I don't have a separate grow room or anything. It sounds like it's safe to say that you can still colonize jars at fruiting temps? And just keep my colonizing jars in the low 70's along with my fruiting tub?
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Re: Best temperature at 2 different stages of growth? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
#26760428 - 06/20/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It doesn't need to be low 70s though to fruit, that is a good temp but they can fruit much hotter, or colder. Basically neither stage 'needs' any certain temps to do anything, outside of surviving extremes. But room temp works well for the whole life cycle.
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