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Hydroxychloroquine sulfate
    #26757967 - 06/19/20 07:03 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)



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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850442 - 07/28/20 08:20 PM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/joseph-mercola/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created-2/

Hydroxychloroquine alone does not work.

Zinc is a key ingredient when using hydroxychloroquine.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic that helps to protect against bacterial infections.

Edit: all three drugs are, in fact, FDA approved.

What is being touted as not being FDA approved is combining the three drugs, hydroxychloroquine, zinc and azithromycin, as a treatment for Covid.

A treatment which cost roughly $20.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26850499 - 07/28/20 08:50 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

People get zinc in their diet. People who are in the ICU receive an IV drip which supplies all the necessary trace elements and electrolytes, including zinc. Why did they still die?


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850501 - 07/28/20 08:53 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/joseph-mercola/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created-2/

Hydroxychloroquine alone does not work.

Zinc is a key ingredient when using hydroxychloroquine.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic that helps to protect against bacterial infections.

Edit: all three drugs are, in fact, FDA approved.

What is being touted as not being FDA approved is combining the three drugs, hydroxychloroquine, zinc and azithromycin, as a treatment for Covid.

A treatment which cost roughly $20.




You can only promote a drug for approved uses. All FDA approved medicines are approved to treat specific diseases. Hydroxychloroquine is not approved for covid. If someone could get it approved, they could patent it.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850507 - 07/28/20 08:55 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850511 - 07/28/20 08:56 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

Everybody gets zinc in their diet? Why didn’t it work? I


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods] * 2
    #26850518 - 07/28/20 09:00 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

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Everybody gets zinc in their diet? Why didn’t it work? I




Do Big Macs have zinc?

How about Pizza?

Potato chips?

ANY OTHER KIND OF JUNK FOOD A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS EAT HAVE ENOUGH ZINC???

I didn't think so.

American diet is shit.

Don't give me any bullshit that Americans are getting enough minerals in their diet.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfa [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26850532 - 07/28/20 09:10 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

Not all American families are eating fast food multiple times a week, but some are.  Classic Mediterranean diet was how I was brought up.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26850535 - 07/28/20 09:12 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

Investments have been made into vaccines, big ones.

If there were a drug combo with proven effectiveness, there would be no need for any vaccine.

Money has to be recovered, investments must pay off. Moderna says, it has to make a profit.

It makes sense for those investors to do anything in their power to discredit any treatment options, making their vaccine our only choice.

When there were other options available.

Locking down wasn't our only option.

A nation destroyed in hopes of a vaccine.

An untested, experimental vaccine.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850542 - 07/28/20 09:25 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

How else do you think it’s gone down throughout history


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26850575 - 07/28/20 09:37 PM (11 days, 48 minutes ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850620 - 07/28/20 09:45 PM (11 days, 40 minutes ago)

If there were a drug combo with proven effectiveness, it would be granted an exclusive rights patent. Lots of money.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850625 - 07/28/20 09:47 PM (11 days, 38 minutes ago)

Look, dude: take zinc if it makes you feel better. I do. It might help, and doesnt hurt very much, unless you are susceptible to iron deficiency anemia.

There are foods that contain chemicals like quercetin thay help move the zinc into your cells, where it appears to interfere with viral ssRNA utlization of cellular machinery, just like they are claiming hcq does. As far as I know, eating apples doesnt throw people into fatal dysrhythmias like hcq sometimes does.

I cant go around promoting specific drug treatment for legal reasons, but if hcq werent dangerous for people who get covid, I wouldn't bother replying to this. We tried it. It is. Tell people to eat apple skins and take zinc if you want, but please stop advocating for hydroxychloroquine.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850629 - 07/28/20 09:50 PM (11 days, 34 minutes ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850633 - 07/28/20 09:52 PM (11 days, 33 minutes ago)

On what paitents did you try it on morrowasted?

At what stage of infection were they?

Honest questions here.

Did you use zinc as well, or only hydroxychloroquine?


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850635 - 07/28/20 09:54 PM (11 days, 31 minutes ago)

Most hospitalized patients in the US received hydroxychloroquine until recently. All hospitalized patients receive zinc supplementation if they cannot have it supplied through diet.

IT DOESNT WORK


Stop spreading misinformation.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850638 - 07/28/20 09:56 PM (11 days, 29 minutes ago)

Hey, if you want to take hydroxychloroquine and you don't want to get the vaccine, feel free. And anyone else who wants to should be free to as well. But don't come crying to me when a lot of them end up dead.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850644 - 07/28/20 09:59 PM (11 days, 26 minutes ago)

Quote:

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On what paitents did you try it on morrowasted?

At what stage of infection were they?

Honest questions here.

Did you use zinc as well, or only hydroxychloroquine?


honest question: tell me what you think the "stages of infection" are


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: nooneman]
    #26850648 - 07/28/20 10:01 PM (11 days, 24 minutes ago)

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koods said:
Most hospitalized patients in the US received hydroxychloroquine until recently

IT DOESNT WORK




Link???

Quote:

nooneman said:
Hey, if you want to take hydroxychloroquine and you don't want to get the vaccine, feel free. And anyone else who wants to should be free to as well. But don't come crying to me when a lot of them end up dead.




I can say the same thing about an experimental, untested, unproven vaccine, vs drugs which have been FDA approved for decades. 

Might want to look into coronavirus vaccines and antibody-depentent enhancement.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
    #26850652 - 07/28/20 10:03 PM (11 days, 22 minutes ago)

If only we could define the exact moment this drug is supposed to work because every time a study comes out showing it doesn’t work, the know nothings tell us it’s because they didn’t use it at the right stage of infection


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850655 - 07/28/20 10:05 PM (11 days, 20 minutes ago)

Hydroxychloroquine was part of the standard treatment regimen worldwide for covid until recently


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26850673 - 07/28/20 10:13 PM (11 days, 12 minutes ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
On what paitents did you try it on morrowasted?

At what stage of infection were they?

Honest questions here.

Did you use zinc as well, or only hydroxychloroquine?


honest question: tell me what you think the "stages of infection" are




I'm no doctor. You tell me.

From what I recall, you are dealing with people who are in poor shape. I don't follow you or know details, only that you work in a hospital around covid paitents.

This is why I ask, how serious are your paitents?

If you were giving hydroxychloroquine to people already in an ICU on a ventilator, of course it's not going to do much.

What Dr. Zelenko advocates is early treatments, to keep people from ever seeing an ICU.

Wouldn't you agree that early treatments are better than watching people get sicker while not doing anything?

When there are other options.

Quote:

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Hydroxychloroquine was part of the standard treatment regimen worldwide for covid until recently




Link?

Did they use zinc as well with these worldwide treatments?


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850682 - 07/28/20 10:17 PM (11 days, 8 minutes ago)

What about all the people who take hydroxychloroquine for other reasons and still get sick? All these lupus patients should never get covid in the first place but there’s no evidence they fare better.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850693 - 07/28/20 10:22 PM (11 days, 3 minutes ago)

What will be said when these studies are completed and show its effectiveness?


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26850700 - 07/28/20 10:25 PM (11 days, 42 seconds ago)

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What about all the people who take hydroxychloroquine for other reasons and still get sick? All these lupus patients should never get covid in the first place but there’s no evidence they fare better.




Keep ignoring zinc.

https://knowledgeofhealth.com/modern-day-zinc-deficiency-epidemic/


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26850722 - 07/28/20 10:38 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

Why are all of your links to shitty alternative health sites?


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26850725 - 07/28/20 10:42 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

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Why are all of your links to shitty alternative health sites?




To continue proving you wrong.

I'll keep these articles coming, showing doctors worldwide having success with HCQ combined with zinc.

I'll say again, hydroxychloroquine does not work alone, it must be used along side zinc.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


Edited by HamHead (07/28/20 10:52 PM)


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850727 - 07/28/20 10:46 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

All these months and you’ve failed to do so.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850746 - 07/28/20 10:53 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

I am no doctor either. HCQ + Zinc + Athizthromycin was the standard for everyone who didn't qualify for the remdesivir clinical trials back in late march through early may. there was not a significant level of improvement in those patients. if there were, we'd use it. HCQ, zinc, and azithromycin are much cheaper than remdesivir. if they worked, the hospital would be using them, specifically because they are cheaper. the fact that the hospital is choosing to bleed money (and give us all a 10% paycut meanwhile) in order to cancel certain elective surgeries and purchase drugs that actually do work is telling enough for me. All I can say is I saw people on the former cocktail, and I've seen people on remdesivir. With the former we had to constantly monitor EKGs, electrolyte levels, because HCQ fucks all of that up in the process of "maybe" helping. With remdesivir, there is no need to worry about EKG or electrolyte changes. is the difference "significant"? maybe. will it save everyone? no. if you want to go and take HCQ for YOUR PERSONAL "prevention", fine. Doctors here used to do it, and when they found out how dangerous it was for people who actually catch covid, they stopped. but by all means, you do you. in any case, there is no reason for you to be going around advocating for it other than to gain attention and some sort of weird self-validation as a contrarian


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26850748 - 07/28/20 10:54 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

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All these months and you’ve failed to do so.




This is your opinion.


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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850763 - 07/28/20 11:04 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

I'll keep pulling articles then.

Showing other people, not my self, advocating HCQ+zinc.

You can say I'm wrong, by doing so, you are saying these professionals are also wrong.

Because that's all I'm doing is sharing other peoples opinions on their own experiences using HCQ and zinc.

Unfortunate you stopped using it. I still haven't gotten a solid answer as to what condition those paitents you help treat are in.

Early treatment is what is being advocated here. Within 5 days of first signs of symptoms.

Treating someone who has already developed pneumonia, IMO, is too late.


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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850766 - 07/28/20 11:07 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

I think you mean to say in the opinion of the youtube people you've been watching


dude, whatever. do yourself.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
    #26850770 - 07/28/20 11:09 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
I think you mean to say in the opinion of the youtube people you've been watching


dude, whatever. do yourself.




We'll see who I find.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods] * 1
    #26850771 - 07/28/20 11:11 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Why are all of your links to shitty alternative health sites?



ALTERNATIVE FACTS, LOL


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850773 - 07/28/20 11:11 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sabotage-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-doctors-worldwide-protest-disaster/5717382

"TUCSON, Ariz., June 22, 2020 /PRNewswire/ — Today the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons files its motion for a preliminary injunction to compel release to the public of hydroxychloroquine by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), in AAPS v. HHS, No. 1:20-cv-00493-RJJ-SJB (W.D. Mich.). Nearly 100 million doses of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) were donated to these agencies, and yet they have not released virtually any of it to the public…"


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


Edited by HamHead (07/28/20 11:16 PM)


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850782 - 07/28/20 11:19 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850786 - 07/28/20 11:21 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850787 - 07/28/20 11:22 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25658/20200512/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-zinc-triple-combo-proved-effective-coronavirus-patients-study.htm



Quote:

The researchers note that the triple-drug combo, however, did not change the average time the patients stayed hospitalized, which was about six days. It also didn't change the average duration severely ill patients spent hooked on the ventilator, which was five days.




Zinc is still given. HCQ isn't.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850798 - 07/28/20 11:31 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)



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Jokeshopbeard said:
I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


Edited by HamHead (07/28/20 11:32 PM)


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26850802 - 07/28/20 11:35 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

Lol


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850804 - 07/28/20 11:38 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850817 - 07/28/20 11:50 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850822 - 07/28/20 11:56 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths

"Researchers said the patients given zinc were one and a half times more likely to recover, decreasing their need for intensive care."


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850827 - 07/28/20 11:59 PM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

Yale

:ohwow:

https://publichealth.yale.edu/news-article/26218/

"Does hydroxychloroquine have the potential to be a “game-changer” in the fight against this pandemic?
HR: Hydroxychloroquine alone is not the whole story. It needs to be combined with azithromycin or doxycycline and probably with zinc to make it most effective. The game changer is to aggressively treat people as soon as possible, before they are hospitalized, to keep them from becoming hospitalized in the first place. Hydroxychloroquine plus the other medications is what we know about now. In a few months we may have data on other medications that also work. We just have to start with something now."


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850849 - 07/29/20 12:15 AM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

Brazil

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3866669/posts

"Coordinator of the Integrated Toxicological Surveillance Center (Civitox), the toxicologist and nutritionist Sandro Benites is an advocate for the use of the Covid Kit, which includes drugs such as Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Ivermectin, Zinc and Vitamin D for early treatment of Covid-19.

Q: Do these drugs cure the disease?

A: There is no cure for the disease. It is a virus that is not even considered a living being.

These medications are intended to inhibit viral replication within the cell and the disease does not worsen, thus preventing the patient from having to go to an ICU tube, for example. The result of this is that we reduce this chaos that we are experiencing due to the lack of structure in hospitals.

Q:How do you evaluate the deaths that occurred in Manaus due to the use of the medication?

A: There was work in Manaus, which in my view is something worthy of a crime.

Toxic doses were given to patients, up to five times more than the therapeutic dose, leading to the death of these people.

This group of scientists proved that when a lethal dose is given to a patient, lethality happens. This fact confused society. The doctor is part of society and when he sees this there, he is not used to using these drugs and this failure ends up happening. The result of this was that we ended up wasting a lot of time and certainly a lot of lives.

If the Jewish doctor, Dr. Vlademir Zelenko in New York saved more than 500 people with this protocol, will I say no? Will I wait for the scientific journal? There is no time because the hospitals are getting crowded.

I think the moment is not one of nitpicking, but of union. This is not the time for us to be divided. Doctors, population, managers, in short, everyone will benefit from it: managers for saving lives, doctors feeling fulfilled in their profession and the population losing their morbid fear of this virus, knowing that there is an effective treatment. We need to stop this political issue.

My fear cannot be greater than my responsibility as a doctor. It is unthinkable for a health professional to want scientific evidence at the time of tragedy. Medicine has never grown so much in major world wars or pandemics because bureaucrats are losing space. It is time for doctors of action and daring to act. So I think we are blessed, let’s put everything aside and let’s think more about our population. It’s very simple, the people who complicate it. When human beings want to complicate, they complicate."


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850858 - 07/29/20 12:24 AM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

And this, because it's got my birthday.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/zinc_the_missing_element_in_the_hcqcovid19_debate.html

"Zinc deficiency is prevalent. “Up to a fifth of the global population is estimated to suffer from different degrees of Zinc deficiency. In the western world, Zinc deficiency is more prevalent among the geriatric population, and vegans/vegetarians as well as among people with certain underlying conditions. Notably, the early reports show that the elderly SARS-CoV-2 patients are among those with a higher fatality rate.”"


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26850874 - 07/29/20 12:33 AM (10 days, 21 hours ago)



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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26850882 - 07/29/20 12:38 AM (10 days, 21 hours ago)

I took zinc when I had the virus. I have general supplements around and 50mg or what ever it is zinc is what i took. Id take it 2 days and skip a day. I barely got sick. Was it the zinc? Who knows but it certainly didn't hurt to have my vitamins levels up. I also took a few vitamin c here and there and had regular sex and a general healthy diet of meat, fruit and vegetables.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: budmanman]
    #26851110 - 07/29/20 06:36 AM (10 days, 15 hours ago)



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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26851380 - 07/29/20 10:35 AM (10 days, 11 hours ago)

Hydroxychloriquine was smeared by the media because ‘orange man bad’.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: lowbrow]
    #26851399 - 07/29/20 10:57 AM (10 days, 11 hours ago)

Nobody smeared hydroxychloroquine. It simply doesn’t work. I’m sorry that your dear leader is promoting false hope, but he’s just wrong. Like usual.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26851404 - 07/29/20 11:03 AM (10 days, 11 hours ago)

And even if hydroxychloroquine did work, it simply hasn't met regulatory standards to be approved as a medication for COVID.

Drugs aren't approved based on media articles.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad]
    #26851418 - 07/29/20 11:09 AM (10 days, 11 hours ago)

People say “oh they don’t like it because it’s cheap and it won’t make pharmaceutical companies any money.” If the drug actually worked, then FDA approval would come with 17 years of exclusive marketing rights for covid. That patent would likely be sold to whatever company produces generic hydroxychloroquine in the US and boom it’s $100 a dose. This is nothing but a craven attempt to make billions off a drug that has been in the public domain for decades.

How do you put an off patent drug back into on patent status? Find a new disease that it treats.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26851448 - 07/29/20 11:28 AM (10 days, 10 hours ago)

no it was praised because

pharma need money

and it dont work


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26851542 - 07/29/20 12:45 PM (10 days, 9 hours ago)

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What about all the people who take hydroxychloroquine for other reasons and still get sick? All these lupus patients should never get covid in the first place but there’s no evidence they fare better.



I've taken plaquenil to help treat RA for a few years before I quit a couple years ago.I stopped because I was occasionally getting heart palpitations and because, in order to be prescribed it, you have to get optic exams once a year because there is a very dangerous side effect that causes blindness. My dosage was less than what the Covid nuts are recommending.

It amazes me more and more every day that someone like trump and his brethren would possibly trust a nut case dr/ minister that thinks evil entities can come into a womans bedroom and impregnate her while she sleeps and also believes that most pharmaceuticals come from alien DNA; over sound scientific studies by the FDA and others. It's a brave and scary new world that we live in.:facepalm3:


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    #26851554 - 07/29/20 12:53 PM (10 days, 9 hours ago)

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It amazes me more and more every day that someone like trump and his brethren would possibly trust a nut case dr/ minister that thinks evil entities can come into a womans bedroom and impregnate her while she sleeps and also believes that most pharmaceuticals come from alien DNA;




I don't even want to google this because it wouldn't even surprise me at this point if that's true. This whole thing has been a circus


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26851713 - 07/29/20 02:24 PM (10 days, 8 hours ago)

She’s the reason we’re talking about this again. Trump retweeted a video of her saying HCQ cures covid and masks are bad. Twitter shut down accounts that posted the video, including Eric trump, for spreading misinformation about covid and now we’re back to talking about a drug that has been thoroughly proven to be useless


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
    #26852149 - 07/29/20 05:47 PM (10 days, 4 hours ago)

Quote:

koods said:
a drug that has been thoroughly proven to be useless




Without zinc, it may be useless.

Still ignoring zinc.


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26852244 - 07/29/20 06:35 PM (10 days, 3 hours ago)

Japan using a different zinc ionophore, hinokitiol.

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/the-japanese-alternative-to-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-hinokitiol-2020-06-09

Hey koods, how about hinokitiol? Ever heard of it?


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
InfiniteDreams said:
You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26852256 - 07/29/20 06:39 PM (10 days, 3 hours ago)

If the combo is shown to work well in treating covid19 patients and has an acceptable risk to benefit ratio I’m sure we will see it used in the US.  Until then :shrug:


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    #26852319 - 07/29/20 07:07 PM (10 days, 3 hours ago)

Quote:

budmanman said:
I took zinc when I had the virus. I have general supplements around and 50mg or what ever it is zinc is what i took. Id take it 2 days and skip a day. I barely got sick. Was it the zinc? Who knows but it certainly didn't hurt to have my vitamins levels up. I also took a few vitamin c here and there and had regular sex and a general healthy diet of meat, fruit and vegetables.


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    #26852338 - 07/29/20 07:26 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

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    #26852340 - 07/29/20 07:27 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

little does he know, regular sex won't do the trick

only furry sex and gang pegging cure covid


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    #26852346 - 07/29/20 07:35 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

covid party :barbershreds:


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    #26852373 - 07/29/20 07:57 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

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little does he know, regular sex won't do the trick

only furry sex and gang pegging cure covid




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    #26852386 - 07/29/20 08:08 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

Honryness is a symptom of covid


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    #26852398 - 07/29/20 08:17 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: psi]
    #26852698 - 07/29/20 11:57 PM (9 days, 22 hours ago)

https://theworldnews.net/fr-news/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-works-an-irrefutable-proof

Long discussions ignited the web and social networks on the role of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment against Covid-19. These exchanges often boil down to throwing in the face the results of various and varied studies. There followed an expert debate on the validity of the study and the various protocols, allowing each to be given the opportunity to advance, with a certain bad faith, their oriented arguments. Indeed, it is always possible to find an argument in favor of the result of a study if it tends to demonstrate the ineffectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, and vice versa.

its side effects. The reality is that this drug has been prescribed for 65 years (1955).  Its side effects and precautions for uses are well documented.

An almost incomprehensible debate for the French

It is becoming more and more difficult for viewers or readers to know where to turn, the debates of experts relating to points of detail so limited that we forget the essentials: there have been deaths, many too many dead and sick. While experts from a certain medical world disconnected from reality debated on television sets, other doctors were fighting with the disease without having the right to prescribe in their souls and conscience (according to the reasonably established state of science medical). The Lancet study will have caused great harm to patients since it was followed by immediate effects such as the suspension of prescription and dispensing authorizations for hydroxychloroquine. The World Health Organization (WHO)  decided to suspend the trials or to simply ban the drug from being dispensed. Switzerland did the same around the 27th of May, 2020.

The fraudulent study was withdrawn from the 4th of June, but Swiss patients remained deprived of this treatment until the 11th of June, "The OFSP decided to lift the measures put in place for its prescription and dispensing. The Plaquenil® and Zentiva® Hydroxychloroquine can be re-ordered directly from the wholesaler. ” According to the critics of hydroxychloroquine, these 15 days of prohibition should have had no impact on patient survival, but this is not the case: it is enough to look at the evolution over time of the proportion of deaths among newly resolved cases, only to find that hydroxychloroquine, the only molecule banned within this time, works.

Hydroxychloroquine saves lives.

It was enough the collaboration of three internet users to solve this enigma (see the article “story of a discovery”): the discovery of a strict temporary suspension of the HCQ in Switzerland, the nrCFR * efficiency index of treatments, the observation of a “bump” of ~ 2 weeks in this index for Switzerland, the link with the suspension, and finally the analysis concluding with the statistical significance of this correlation with a very high degree of certainty ( > 99%). All analyzes were made from international data “global time series” “Deaths” and “Recovered” from Johns Hopkins University updated every night.

Let’s take a look at the period when hydroxychloroquine was banned in Switzerland, i.e. from the 27th of May till the 11th f  June, 2020. May the 27th corresponds to 5 days after the publication of the study criticized in The Lancet , which claimed to demonstrate the toxicity and ineffectiveness of hydroxychloroquine. The consequences of this publication had a global impact, leading to the suspension of hydroxychloroquine and thus depriving many patients of treatment. This ban on the pretext of “precaution” has surely done far more harm to patients than what our health ministers have said.

Looking at the evolution curve of this index for Switzerland, we note a “wave of excess lethality” of two weeks from June 9 to 22, shifted by a dozen days compared to the period of suspension of the use of hydroxychloroquine by WHO. This demonstrates, without possible rebuttal, the effect of stopping the use of this drug in Switzerland (country which follows the recommendations of the WHO, based in Geneva). During the weeks preceding the ban, the nrCFR index fluctuated between 3% and 5%. Some 13 days after the start of the prohibition, the nrCFR index increases considerably to be between 10 and 15% for 2 weeks. Some 12 days after the end of the prohibition, the lethality falls back to a lower level.

We were looking for a signal, a proof, here it is the size of a country like Switzerland. Almost the size of the Ile-de-France (Paris area)

What arguments could the Minister of Health and experts in randomized controlled studies oppose to such glaring prosaically observational evidence?

The Lancet and the World Health Organization will have served a purpose. Thanks to them!

A statistically significant difference

For those who are not convinced of the observational result, we conducted a statistical difference test by comparing the three periods: May 28th - June 8th, June 9th – 22nd, June 23rd - July 6th . The period from June 9th till the 22nd is that in which the index increased some 13 days after the suspension of hydroxychloroquine. There is of course an effect of delay between stopping the prescription of the drug and possible deaths, which explains the delay of 13 days.

We therefore observe that for the period from the 28th of May till the 8th of June, the index is 2.39% and then drops to 11.52% or 4.8 times more and then drops to 3%.

When testing for statistical significance between the various observations, the difference is significant at 99% with a p <0.0001. 13 days after the HCQ prescription was resumed, the index dropped to 3% and this was again a significant effect.

And for France

This index for France over the same period is found in the graph below. Note that during the prohibition period of hydroxychloroquine in Switzerland, the nrCFR index was almost identical between France and Switzerland.

This important information should once and for all make everyone agree.

Editor's note:

Thanks to Nathalie Izzo (@ Nathalienath19) and Annie Wypychowski.

the nrCFR index was created by Michel Jullian.

Translation: @Smackenziekerr & @PaulGreeff


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26852761 - 07/30/20 12:51 AM (9 days, 21 hours ago)

I'm sure it does save lives for people who have the diseases it treats.


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    #26852779 - 07/30/20 01:12 AM (9 days, 21 hours ago)

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Hydroxychloriquine was smeared by the media because ‘orange man bad’.




"was"?    It's still in the news!

If Trump says it's sunny outside, many people will call it a conspiracy.

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    #26852817 - 07/30/20 01:49 AM (9 days, 20 hours ago)

For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.


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    #26852949 - 07/30/20 06:25 AM (9 days, 16 hours ago)

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For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.




"CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."



A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.


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    #26852958 - 07/30/20 06:38 AM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

"A total of 667 patients underwent randomization; 504 patients had confirmed Covid-19 and were included in the modified intention-to-treat analysis. As compared with standard care"

Standard care, which has been stated earlier, would involve, among other things, administering mineral supplements, which would include zinc.


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    #26852959 - 07/30/20 06:43 AM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

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Quote:

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For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.




"CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."



A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.




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    #26852966 - 07/30/20 06:56 AM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

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Quote:

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For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.




"CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."



A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.




It's been known to be efficacious since 2017 at least.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5278588/

So chances are that anyone in need ventilation in an ICU setting will be given zinc as part of normal "standard care".  :shrug:


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    #26853056 - 07/30/20 09:01 AM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

Ice9 said:
For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.




"CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."



A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.




It's been known to be efficacious since 2017 at least.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5278588/

So chances are that anyone in need ventilation in an ICU setting will be given zinc as part of normal "standard care".  :shrug:




Yes, but are they using zinc with zinc?

Also, how zincy is the zinc they use, actually?


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    #26853060 - 07/30/20 09:06 AM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

In fairness, the bigger flaw is the open-label design, given that the primary outcome was physician reported improvement.  This is one reason the double-blind, placebo control is the gold standard.  Regardless, kudos to providing an actual, peer-reviewed study from a reputable journal.


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    #26853073 - 07/30/20 09:14 AM (9 days, 13 hours ago)



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    #26853085 - 07/30/20 09:21 AM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

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For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.

Learn the difference between tier 1,2  journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA.  Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.




"CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."



A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.




It's been known to be efficacious since 2017 at least.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5278588/

So chances are that anyone in need ventilation in an ICU setting will be given zinc as part of normal "standard care".  :shrug:




Yes, but are they using zinc with zinc?

Also, how zincy is the zinc they use, actually?




Reckon their zincerytuderlyness is coming outta their ears my man.


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    #26853320 - 07/30/20 12:51 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

I don't think 50mg is enough.

Protocol calls for 220mg zinc once a day for 5 days.

If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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    #26853331 - 07/30/20 12:58 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

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HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26853342 - 07/30/20 01:05 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

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HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




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it's unfortunate so many libtards aren't wired to grasp this


I think it’s more of a matter of partisan politics letting people die to smear the acting commander and chief.


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    #26853357 - 07/30/20 01:17 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

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Japan using a different zinc ionophore, hinokitiol.

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/the-japanese-alternative-to-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-hinokitiol-2020-06-09






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinokitiol




https://www.drzinx.com/



:mindblown:





I'm on Zinc and an ionophor (Quercetin) as we speak, I buy into the theory that Zinc + an ionophor to get it into the cells will improve the prognosis of a COVID infection. It makes a lot of sense, and hinokitiol as a cherlator certainly seems a readily available one.


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    #26853362 - 07/30/20 01:21 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




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it's unfortunate so many libtards aren't wired to grasp this




It's more like drowning and grabbing onto an anchor, then encouraging others to do the same.

When something has zero benefit, all that remains is risk, which all medications have.


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    #26853364 - 07/30/20 01:23 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

Now it’s not enough zinc


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    #26853366 - 07/30/20 01:24 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

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HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




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it's unfortunate so many libtards aren't wired to grasp this


I think it’s more of a matter of partisan politics letting people die to smear the acting commander and chief.




Herman Cain would agree with this message if he was still alive. Killed by not enough zinc


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    #26853372 - 07/30/20 01:29 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

In the words of our wise OP. “Where’s the spike in deaths?”



1500 people died yesterday from not enough zinc


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    #26853407 - 07/30/20 01:53 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

Maybe this is the reaon hydroxychloroquine is back in the news:



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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: One of Us] * 1
    #26853414 - 07/30/20 01:56 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

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Maybe this is the reaon hydroxychloroquine is back in the news:



They are probably trying to get rid of it since they are stuck with so much.



Ding ding ding.

All about profits from the beginning, this hydroxychloroquine shit. Sometimes this world makes me feel sick. I probably would have killed myself by now if it wasn't so damn interesting.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26853419 - 07/30/20 02:05 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

My states gov is one of trumps most loyal booklickers, so we were lucky enough to get lots of hydroxychloroquine very early... we still have more doses than than our state's population. About 50% more


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26853442 - 07/30/20 02:20 PM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

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Maybe this is the reaon hydroxychloroquine is back in the news:



They are probably trying to get rid of it since they are stuck with so much.



Ding ding ding.

All about profits from the beginning, this hydroxychloroquine shit. Sometimes this world makes me feel sick. I probably would have killed myself by now if it wasn't so damn interesting.



The benefit of using HCQ, if it worked, would be that it would keep costs low, not boost profits. Remdesivir is a lot more expensive. Most of these patients are on Medicare, so the government would love it if HCQ actually worked because it would save them a ton of money


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    #26853593 - 07/30/20 03:33 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

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HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




100

it's unfortunate so many libtards aren't wired to grasp this


I think it’s more of a matter of partisan politics letting people die to smear the acting commander and chief.




The politics of trump and his precious re-election are a massive part of why we have 150k+ deaths and are trending in a horrible direction while almost every other developed nation on the planet has a handle on things. The states where the governors listened to trump are the ones now transporting bodies to the morgue by the refrigerated truck full, after having had 5+ months to prepare. There are republican governors who acted swiftly and got control of things, ignoring trumps calls to reopen quickly, pack the churches, hold rallies, send kids back to school etc. It's not a partisan thing, it's a stupidty vs common sense thing.

The researchers doing these trials and doctors experimenting in their treatments dont care about trump, only someone obsessed with trump and out of touch with reality would think politics is even crossing their minds right now. They want themselves and their coworkers to be able to save lives. They want themselves, their famies, friends etc to be treated with the optimal treatment regimen if they get sick.

A small number of non-trumpy doctors still are experimenting with prophylactic hcq as it's much more difficult to ascertain whether or not it helps as a preventative, but as a treatment for the already sick hcq has been tossed in most places because it just doesn't work as well as other treatments and in the necessary doses it can be very dangerous. And yes, many of these hospitals were also treating patients with zinc, it was included in the initial evms covid protocol that was circulated widely throughout the medical community back in the early days when everyone was scrambling for info on how to treat. There's no magic bullet for a virus that manifests in so many different ways, other than immunity or keeping it out of your body in the first place.


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Re: [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26853621 - 07/30/20 03:43 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.


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Re: [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26853629 - 07/30/20 03:47 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

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The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.



I don't think anyone on this forum is surprised that you would make that assumption...


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    #26853637 - 07/30/20 03:49 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

Why wouldn’t I assume that?


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    #26853638 - 07/30/20 03:49 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

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The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.




I'm sure it has nothing to do with them being the first hit (when practically nothing was known about the virus or how to treat it), having 5 less months to prepare, having higher population densities, mass shortages of PPE in hospitals and nursing homes often directly due to trump administration interference.

The trumpy governors had virtually everything going for them, and they went out of their way to fuck it up as royally as possible.


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    #26853645 - 07/30/20 03:52 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

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    #26853657 - 07/30/20 03:57 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)



Also, citizens of the world: do not travel to the United States



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    #26853672 - 07/30/20 04:06 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)




TP posted this (then later deleted it) the same day their co-founder died of COVID


But scientists and doctors not fawning over an inneffective drug is the partisan politics that's killing people.


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    #26853680 - 07/30/20 04:10 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

First you say this

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The states where the governors listened to trump are the ones now transporting bodies to the morgue by the refrigerated truck full, after having had 5  months to prepare.




But when I mentioned that the states with the most deaths are democrat run and probably didn’t listen to trump you reverse your original position.

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with them being the first hit (when practically nothing was known about the virus or how to treat it), having 5 less months to prepare, having higher population densities, mass shortages of PPE in hospitals and nursing homes often directly due to trump administration interference.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad]
    #26853910 - 07/30/20 05:54 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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yeah said:
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HamHead said:If you are drowning and a piece of driftwood floats by, are you going to wait for it to be peer reviewed and drown or take a chance and grab on?




100

it's unfortunate so many libtards aren't wired to grasp this




It's more like drowning and grabbing onto an anchor, then encouraging others to do the same.

When something has zero benefit, all that remains is risk, which all medications have.




Zero benefit?

Like, not one, single, solitary benefit?

I disagree.

If this were the case, it would not have been prescribed to begin with if it had absolutely zero benefits.

See where I'm going with this?

And why are other countries such as India having success? In places with many more people per square mile than NYC.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-indian-slum-contained-a-possible-covid-19-disaster-with-hydroxychloroquine

"July 22, 2020 (American Thinker) — On July 9, 2020, Asia's biggest and densest slum shocked the world by announcing just one new positive COVID-19 case despite being a cluster and hotspot.

Dharavi is no ordinary slum. It is one of the densest in the world, housing more than a million people. It provided some of the background for the Oscar-winning movie Slumdog Millionaire.

Dharavi contains pockets where as many as 650,000 people are crammed into 2.5 square kilometers. In comparison, New York City has only around 95,605 people for 2.5 square kilometers."

Zero benefit?

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #26853990 - 07/30/20 06:45 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

There's a reason a double blind, randomized, placebo controlled trial is the gold standard for determining drug efficacy (i.e., that it "works").

What kind dose were these people taking?  how often?  what was the actual exposure? What are the demographics of the population?  What other "homeopathic treatments" were they taken?

What's the evidence it "worked?"  How do we know what the infection rates would have been without the drug?

There's a million variables to consider.  This is why individuals without the slightest background in science shouldn't be interpreting media reports about drug efficacy.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26854008 - 07/30/20 06:58 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

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If this were the case, it would not have been prescribed to begin with if it had absolutely zero benefits.





Where would this foreknowledge of its efficacy with this new disease come from if it hadn't been tried yet?


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: psi]
    #26854013 - 07/30/20 07:01 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

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There's a reason a double blind, randomized, placebo controlled trial is the gold standard for determining drug efficacy (i.e., that it "works").

What kind dose were these people taking?  how often?  what was the actual exposure? What are the demographics of the population?  What other "homeopathic treatments" were they taken?

What's the evidence it "worked?"  How do we know what the infection rates would have been without the drug?

There's a million variables to consider.  This is why individuals without the slightest background in science shouldn't be interpreting media reports about drug efficacy.




Oh, I like placebo arguments, because to date, not a single vaccine has been through this 'gold standard' of testing against an inert, saline placebo.

:teareally:

Zelenko protocol



Would that be considered inhumane if a treatment were withheld just to see what an infection rate would be without a drug?

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If this were the case, it would not have been prescribed to begin with if it had absolutely zero benefits.





Where would this foreknowledge of its efficacy with this new disease come from if it hadn't been tried yet?




It has.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

"We have identified chloroquine as an effective antiviral agent for SARS-CoV in cell culture conditions, as evidenced by its inhibitory effect when the drug was added prior to infection or after the initiation and establishment of infection. The fact that chloroquine exerts an antiviral effect during pre- and post-infection conditions suggest that it is likely to have both prophylactic and therapeutic advantages.

Conclusion
Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use."


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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26854023 - 07/30/20 07:06 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

Good answer, though its efficacy on the new disease was still unknown until it was tried on that.


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    #26854041 - 07/30/20 07:13 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

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Good answer, though its efficacy on the new disease was still unknown until it was tried on that.




With some trials set to fail, giving people lethal doses of HCQ, then saying it's not safe.

And Fauci saying there is no evidence when clearly there is. Bill gates lies about HCQ too.

Remember, lots of money has already been invested into vaccines. If there were a treatment option available, there would be less need for a vaccine.

Fauci is protecting his, and others, investments by discrediting HCQ.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26854059 - 07/30/20 07:25 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

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Oh, I like placebo arguments, because to date, not a single vaccine has been through this 'gold standard' of testing against an inert, saline placebo.

:teareally:

Zelenko protocol



Would that be considered inhumane if a treatment were withheld just to see what an infection rate would be without a drug?





That's not true.  The code of federal regulations was recently amended (2019).  A placebo can only be forgone when its ethical to do so.  In this case, because millions of people have COVID, you're correct a placebo controlled trial may not be necessary.

However, that doesn't negate my prior statement:  A randomized, placebo controlled trial is the gold standard.

Regardless of placebo controlled or not, a comparator is still necessary.  As was the case in the study a few pages of back, "standard of care" may suffice.  Regardless, epidemiological studies where its not even clear who has taken the drug (and who hasn't) are a very low tier of evidence.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad]
    #26854067 - 07/30/20 07:29 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

What's not true?

Find me a vaccine that has been tested against a saline placebo.

I'll wait.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26854077 - 07/30/20 07:34 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

Are you fucking serious?

That took 10 seconds

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00004800

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    #26854106 - 07/30/20 07:51 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

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Are you fucking serious?

That took 10 seconds

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00004800

You are one of the most ignorant fools I’ve ever witnessed on this site




Yup, only 10 seconds.

PROTOCOL OUTLINE: This is a randomized, double-blind study. Patients are stratified by participating institution and randomly assigned to 1 of 3 vaccines and a placebo vaccine in a 3:3:3:1 ratio.

Keep trying.

Remember, saline placebo.

Here, I'll help.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4157320/


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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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    #26854115 - 07/30/20 07:54 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

🤦‍♂️

You really have no business talking about this

What do you think a PLACEBO vaccine is?


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    #26854142 - 07/30/20 08:12 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

lol, a placebo doesn't have to be saline.

Often its a capsule filled with an inert powder.

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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26854153 - 07/30/20 08:20 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

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Keep trying.

Remember, saline placebo.

Here, I'll help.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4157320/




Here, just for shits and giggles:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25916341/

Saline was the placebo.


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    #26854166 - 07/30/20 08:26 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

A placebo is having ham in your head instead of brains.
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    #26854174 - 07/30/20 08:30 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

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lol, a vaccine doesn't have to be saline.

Often its a capsule filled with an inert powder.



Yeah I'm not sure why it would matter whether it's saline or whatever else, the point of a placebo is that it's inactive.


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    #26854210 - 07/30/20 08:54 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

https://sciblogs.co.nz/diplomaticimmunity/2017/02/20/gardasil-vaccine-compared-placebo/#:~:text=There%20are%20several%20reasons%20why,are%20more%20effective%20than%20others.

*The ‘saline’ solution consists of water, 9.56mg sodium chloride, 0.78mg L-histidine and 50micrograms polysorbate-80

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6015121/

"Abstract
Polysorbate 80 is a synthetic nonionic surfactant used as an excipient in drug formulation. Various products formulated with polysorbate 80 are used in the oncology setting for chemotherapy, supportive care, or prevention, including docetaxel, epoetin/darbepoetin, and fosaprepitant. However, polysorbate 80, like some other surfactants, is not an inert compound and has been implicated in a number of systemic and injection- and infusion-site adverse events (ISAEs). The current formulation of intravenous fosaprepitant has been associated with an increased risk of hypersensitivity systemic reactions (HSRs)."


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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: [Re: lowbrow]
    #26854244 - 07/30/20 09:12 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

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The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.




The states with the most lives bodies are also democrat run. Can you think of a relationship between the size of the population and the number of deaths. That's why scientists use rates.


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    #26854250 - 07/30/20 09:17 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

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The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.




The states with the most lives bodies are also democrat run. Can you think of a relationship between the size of the population and the number of deaths. That's why scientists use rates.




"Dharavi contains pockets where as many as 650,000 people are crammed into 2.5 square kilometers. In comparison, New York City has only around 95,605 people for 2.5 square kilometers."

Nah, no relations. All of India has about 3k more deaths than NYC.


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    #26854276 - 07/30/20 09:39 PM (9 days, 46 minutes ago)

Population density obviously is a factor but not the only one. NYC is a major international travel destination and is home to many people wealthy enough to travel internationally. It is also home to a substantial Chinese diaspora, the largest in the Western Hemisphere. Not surprising in the least that it hit there early and got a head start.


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The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run.  I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.




The states with the most lives bodies are also democrat run. Can you think of a relationship between the size of the population and the number of deaths. That's why scientists use rates.


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    #26854316 - 07/30/20 10:05 PM (9 days, 20 minutes ago)

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Population density obviously is a factor but not the only one. NYC is a major international travel destination and is home to many people wealthy enough to travel internationally. It is also home to a substantial Chinese diaspora, the largest in the Western Hemisphere. Not surprising in the least that it hit there early and got a head start.




Wealthy people with access to clean water and nutritious foods and health care?

Unlike those slums of India, where personal hygiene might be lacking.

Nah, population density can't be a factor.


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    #26854321 - 07/30/20 10:09 PM (9 days, 16 minutes ago)

No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.


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    #26854365 - 07/30/20 10:39 PM (8 days, 23 hours ago)

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No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.




No, duh.

Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?

India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.


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    #26854395 - 07/30/20 10:57 PM (8 days, 23 hours ago)

NYC was hit with it early because there is a lot of travel to and from there, and  a significant number of people there have ties to China. Some subset of them travel back and forth to there. This is what I was talking about in that post above, but all you addressed was the word "wealthy".


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No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.




No, duh.

Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?

India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.



The fact they put covid patients in nursing homes in New York could be a factor too.


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No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.




No, duh.

Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?

India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.




As someone who works every day with a large indian staff I can say that they did things a little different.  They have police literally beating people with sticks to stay inside.  Young rebellious punks who want to go out and party getting their ass whooped.  Every single person on my staff is scared shitless of other people right now.  That PROBABLY has something to do with the numbers, but I can only speculate.


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NYC was hit with it early because there is a lot of travel to and from there, and  a significant number of people there have ties to China. Some subset of them travel back and forth to there. This is what I was talking about in that post above, but all you addressed was the word "wealthy".






https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51880799

New York: The city that never sleeps on lockdown
By Natalie Sherman
Business reporter, New York
18 March 2020 Business

Strange, NYC goes into lockdown and deaths spike. Like, it's hard to deny this correlation.

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    #26854506 - 07/31/20 12:05 AM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

It's as though those people had caught some sort of virus beforehand


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Maybe someone brought this virus from another country on a plane or something? Who knows.


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It's as though those people had caught some sort of virus beforehand




https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/health/cdc-3-u-s-airports-including-jfk-to-screen-travelers-for-new-chinese-virus/2261493/?amp

CDC: 3 U.S. Airports, Including JFK, to Screen Travelers From China for New Virus
Published January 17, 2020 • Updated on January 18, 2020 at 2:00 am

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-might-have-had-almost-11000-covid-19-infections-before-first-case-report/2386680/

"Citing new model data given to the paper by Northeastern University in Boston, the Times also reported there could have been more than 28,000 infections in five major U.S. cities by March 1, at a time when those cities were only reporting a total of 23 cases."


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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    #26854533 - 07/31/20 12:20 AM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

2-14 day incubation time.

Lockdown began March 18.

Meaning mass infection had to occur roughly 14 days prior to lockdown in order for so many to die right after March 18th.

Yet, reports of 11,000 infections before a single case is recognized.


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    #26854540 - 07/31/20 12:22 AM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

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Why wouldn’t I assume that?



I have no idea why you wouldn't, but I don't assume those sorts of things, so I guess it probably comes down to a difference in the experiences we've had. It's quite clear you hold the Democrats (or just "the left") responsible for many of the problems America is facing right now, and sometimes I get the sense that this is just some sort of axiom for you. I encourage you to examine this axiom, and to consider ways that it might possibly be clouding your judgment.

I think your swift and automatic dismissals (and finger pointing) of anything politically left obscures the more important discussion of what we ought to do to solve our problems. We're all here debating whether or not Hydroxychloroquine is a reliable treatment for COVID-19 or not, and you're basically contributing to the discussion by saying that the reason there are so many deaths is "because Democrats". I don't think it adds anything to the discussion, really. That's my critique.


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    #26854542 - 07/31/20 12:25 AM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

The jet set brought the virus to NYC early on you say? Could have sworn I said something similar a few posts back.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: psi]
    #26857158 - 08/01/20 01:54 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14613284/

"Safety of hydroxychloroquine in pregnant patients with connective tissue diseases: a study of one hundred thirty-three cases compared with a control group
Nathalie Costedoat-Chalumeau et al. Arthritis Rheum. 2003 Nov.
Free article

Abstract
Objective: The use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in pregnancy remains controversial. The recent demonstration that HCQ passes across the placenta, with cord blood concentrations nearly identical to those found in maternal blood, emphasizes the need for careful evaluation of pregnancies in women receiving HCQ. However, only small series of HCQ-treated pregnant women have been reported, and most of these studies had no control group. We now report our experience with 133 pregnancies in women being treated with HCQ, resulting in 117 live births. Results in the HCQ group are compared with those in a control group.

Methods: One hundred thirty-three consecutive pregnancies in 90 women treated with 200 mg of HCQ either twice daily (122 pregnancies) or once daily (11 pregnancies) were studied. These pregnancies were compared with 70 consecutive pregnancies in 53 women with similar disorders who did not receive HCQ. Electrocardiography was performed in 47 children of mothers treated with HCQ and in 45 children in the control group.

Results: Eighty-eight percent of pregnancies in the HCQ group and 84% of those in the control group ended successfully with a live birth. The outcomes of pregnancy were not statistically different between groups. One child in each group died of causes related to prematurity. Three malformations were observed in the HCQ group (1 hypospadias, 1 craniostenosis, and 1 cardiac malformation) versus 4 in the control group. On the electrocardiograms, the PR interval and the corrected QT interval were not statistically different between groups. No visual, hearing, growth, or developmental abnormalities were reported in any of the children at the last follow-up (ages 12-108 months; mean age 26 months).

Conclusion: Our findings support preliminary evidence for the safety of HCQ therapy during pregnancy. This treatment probably should be maintained throughout pregnancy in patients with systemic lupus erythematosus."

Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?

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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26857174 - 08/01/20 02:02 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

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Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?





Its so toxic, its mentioned in many DIY euthanasia guides as a killing drug, to be combined with sedatives.


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    #26857185 - 08/01/20 02:07 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

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Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?





Its so toxic, its mentioned in many DIY euthanasia guides as a killing drug, to be combined with sedatives.




At lethal doses, yes.

Used as prescribed, not so much.

200mg, twice a week.

Sound toxic?

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2-14 day incubation time.

Lockdown began March 18.

Meaning mass infection had to occur roughly 14 days prior to lockdown in order for so many to die right after March 18th.

Yet, reports of 11,000 infections before a single case is recognized.




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    #26857212 - 08/01/20 02:23 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

Prediction: if the scientific community here suddenly agrees that using hcq is a good idea, hamhead will immediately start trying to argue that it isnt.


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Prediction: if the scientific community here suddenly agrees that using hcq is a good idea, hamhead will immediately start trying to argue that it isnt.




We'll just have to see about that.

I bet you'll make a great doctor one day, making predictions without ever knowing anything about your paitent.

You don't know me.


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    #26857276 - 08/01/20 03:10 PM (7 days, 7 hours ago)



She's got some emotions and looks to not be fucking around.


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Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26857342 - 08/01/20 04:08 PM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

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She's got some emotions and looks to not be fucking around.




:stevolmao::canthelpbutlaugh:

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    #26857346 - 08/01/20 04:12 PM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

:stevolmao::canthelpbutlaugh:

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    #26857364 - 08/01/20 04:28 PM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

I tried to play along nicely, but here goes, it might be a bit long winded but please, take all the time you need to read it.

I have a nephew with cerebral palsy.  He is smart enough to function normally, write on the internet and comment, but there exists a great many things he cannot comprehend.  He has an IQ of @82(average of several tests. 

I suspect much like my nephew, you to fall in the lower percentiles of IQ.  Thus, you are incapable of understanding what people respond to you with.

What I mean so say son, is you're a moron.  There is little worth in trying to talk to you, as your self-identity is so wrapped up in something, that for that something to be false, you yourself become false, this is not true, but you believe it.  You are incapable of not believing, because you do not have the mental capacity to separate self from outside ideas.

Don't feel bead, 50% of all people fall, to varying degrees in that same population, so you have plenty of company.

P.S. I reiterate, you are a not smart, you are not privy to special information, you are not even average. 

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I tried to play along nicely, but here goes, it might be a bit long winded but please, take all the time you need to read it.

I have a nephew with cerebral palsy.  He is smart enough to function normally, write on the internet and comment, but there exists a great many things he cannot comprehend.  He has an IQ of @82(average of several tests. 

I suspect much like my nephew, you to fall in the lower percentiles of IQ.  Thus, you are incapable of understanding what people respond to you with.

What I mean so say son, is you're a moron.  There is little worth in trying to talk to you, as your self-identity is so wrapped up in something, that for that something to be false, you yourself become false, this is not true, but you believe it.  You are incapable of not believing, because you do not have the mental capacity to separate self from outside ideas.

Don't feel bead, 50% of all people fall, to varying degrees in that same population, so you have plenty of company.

P.S. I reiterate, you are a not smart, you are not privy to special information, you are not even average. 

Keep posting, It's like I get Sunday comics everyday I read your posts.  Have a pleasant life, please do not breed.




Thanks for all your grammatical errors.

You know, %50 of Detroit's population is illiterate?


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Ice9]
    #26857384 - 08/01/20 04:51 PM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

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Ice9 said:
I tried to play along nicely, but here goes. It might be a bit long winded but please, take all the time you need to read it.

I have a nephew with cerebral palsy.  He is smart enough to function normally, writes on the internet and comments, but there exists a great many things he cannot comprehend.  He has an IQ of @82(average of several tests.)

I suspect much like my nephew, you too fall in the lower percentiles of IQ.  Thus, you are incapable of understanding what people respond to you with.

What I mean to say son is, you're a moron.  There is little worth in trying to talk to you, as your self-identity is so wrapped up in something, that for that something to be false, you yourself become false, this is not true, but you believe it.  You are incapable of not believing, because you do not have the mental capacity to separate self from outside ideas.

Don't feel bad, 50% of all people fail, to varying degrees in that same population, so you have plenty of company.

P.S. I reiterate, you are not smart, you are not privy to special information, you are not even average. 

Keep posting, it's like I get Sunday comics everyday I read your posts.  Have a pleasant life, please do not breed.




There you go, fixed it for ya!!


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26857409 - 08/01/20 05:05 PM (7 days, 5 hours ago)

Oh my, typos when im 3 sheets to the wind, what shall I do?  Fair is fair, I nititaded ad hominem attattacks, feel free to retaliates with thams.

P.S. Grammatical and spelling errors are free. Find it funny you went that route, as opposed to "I am not a moron" route, guess I was shooting closer to the mark than I guessed.  Well, feel great superiority in your correction of my grammar.


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    #26857444 - 08/01/20 05:26 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

Stop drinking alcohol and work on your grammar?

:shrug:

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

"Long-Term Health Risks
Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including:

High blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, and digestive problems.6,16
Cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, and colon.6,17
Weakening of the immune system, increasing the chances of getting sick.6,16
Learning and memory problems, including dementia and poor school performance.6,18
Mental health problems, including depression and anxiety.6,19
Social problems, including lost productivity, family problems, and unemployment.6,20,21
Alcohol use disorders, or alcohol dependence.5
By not drinking too much, you can reduce the risk of these short- and long-term health risks."

I'm smart enough not to poison my body with alcohol.

But you keep doing you.


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
    #26857451 - 08/01/20 05:33 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

Do we have a graem of of a fish swallowing bait  :trolldance:  guess I;ll settle for troll.

oops, semicolon instead of apostrophe


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    #26857455 - 08/01/20 05:35 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

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Do we have a graem of of a fish swallowing bait  :trolldance:  guess I;ll settle for troll.




Here's some harm reduction advice.

Quit while you're ahead.


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26857484 - 08/01/20 05:55 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Do we have a graem of of a fish swallowing bait  :trolldance:  guess I;ll settle for troll.




Here's some harm reduction advice.

Quit while you're ahead.




What we got a scoring system or something, or is this an attempt at internet bullying an intimidation.

I mean you, literally you, gave yourself the title Hard Ass Motherfucker, if that doesn't speak volumes, not sure what else does, unless it was ironic. I do not think it was ironic, I think you view yourself this way on the internet...IRL bet your a shrinking violet.


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    #26857495 - 08/01/20 06:01 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

Bowie-Cat People...listen to it and you might get me a bit.


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    #26857519 - 08/01/20 06:19 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

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Bowie-Cat People...listen to it and you might get me a bit.





Your last jukebox request or something?

:notyou:


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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    #26857524 - 08/01/20 06:23 PM (7 days, 4 hours ago)

Your comments have lost meaning, and are unclear.  Could you please disambiguate is for me. I was attempting via song, to show you my true depths depravity and how I like I solving issues i.e regarding threats and intimidation.

More grammar errors you seem to enjoy so much.  You are welcome.


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    #26857531 - 08/01/20 06:27 PM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

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Your comments have lost meaning, and are unclear.  Could you please disambiguate is for me. I was attempting via song, to show you my true depths depravity and how I like I solving issues i.e regarding threats and intimidation.




Yeah, and I didn't get your reference. Maybe because I would have to go look up lyrics and make my own assumptions about what you are trying to portray through your song selection.

I've got one for you.



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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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    #26857535 - 08/01/20 06:36 PM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

HamHead, I hope you like that song, I'm huge tool fan.  If you don't get the first song reference you're sure to get this:



Also, you I think have a vested interested in this thread. I on the other hand view you're replies as the annoying chatter of squirrels, simply, I don't give a give a fuck, and was just killing time. Our brief exchange was, I would say mildly stimulating, but it didn't even rise to that level. So good by fellow internet denizen. I'm bored too quickly of this.
またね


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    #26857556 - 08/01/20 07:03 PM (7 days, 3 hours ago)

I don't :nignored: any shroomerite,
but I stopped reading his nonsense days ago.:shrug:

I do think HamHead is an accurate description though.
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Quote:

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Quote:

Ice9 said:
I tried to play along nicely, but here goes. It might be a bit long winded but please, take all the time you need to read it.

I have a nephew with cerebral palsy.  He is smart enough to function normally, writes on the internet and comments, but there exists a great many things he cannot comprehend.  He has an IQ of @82(average of several tests.)

I suspect much like my nephew, you too fall in the lower percentiles of IQ.  Thus, you are incapable of understanding what people respond to you with.

What I mean to say son is, you're a moron.  There is little worth in trying to talk to you, as your self-identity is so wrapped up in something, that for that something to be false, you yourself become false, this is not true, but you believe it.  You are incapable of not believing, because you do not have the mental capacity to separate self from outside ideas.

Don't feel bad, 50% of all people fail, to varying degrees in that same population, so you have plenty of company.

P.S. I reiterate, you are not smart, you are not privy to special information, you are not even average. 

Keep posting, it's like I get Sunday comics everyday I read your posts.  Have a pleasant life, please do not breed.




There you go, fixed it for ya!!



You didn't even do that right.  :laugh2:


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Quote:

Kwyjibo said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
I tried to play along nicely, but here goes. It might be a bit long winded but please, take all the time you need to read it.

I have a nephew with cerebral palsy.  He is smart enough to function normally, writes on the internet and comments, but there exists a great many things he cannot comprehend.  He has an IQ of @82(average of several tests.)

I suspect much like my nephew, you too fall in the lower percentiles of IQ.  Thus, you are incapable of understanding what people respond to you with.

What I mean to say son is, you're a moron.  There is little worth in trying to talk to you, as your self-identity is so wrapped up in something, that for that something to be false, you yourself become false, this is not true, but you believe it.  You are incapable of not believing, because you do not have the mental capacity to separate self from outside ideas.

Don't feel bad, 50% of all people fail, to varying degrees in that same population, so you have plenty of company.

P.S. I reiterate, you are not smart, you are not privy to special information, you are not even average. 

Keep posting, it's like I get Sunday comics everyday I read your posts.  Have a pleasant life, please do not breed.




There you go, fixed it for ya!!



You didn't even do that right.  :laugh2:




Then draft it again, if you know right.

It's been copied so I can go back to see what has been changed.


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
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Then draft it again, if you know right.

It's been copied so I can go back to see what has been changed.



).

I didn't go over the entire post  but that jumped out immediately.


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Quote:

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Then draft it again, if you know right.

It's been copied so I can go back to see what has been changed.



).

I didn't go over the entire post  but that jumped out immediately.




I do all this copy/paste/edit stuff from a smartphone. It can be difficult to get that damn cursor where I want it.

Good eye.

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    #26857655 - 08/01/20 08:29 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

:rofl2: I did not read his "corrected post", but what he Failed to correct jumped out at me to after reading it. :stevolmao: :ruggedwink:

Kwyjibo has it copied, so we can see what changed.


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    #26857660 - 08/01/20 08:34 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

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:rofl2: I did not read his "corrected post", but what he Failed to correct jumped out at me to after reading it. :stevolmao: :ruggedwink:




Which is?

Other than that misplaced period? Which is yours, I was simply closing off those () and didn't consider that period in its context.

And why are you laughing, you're being corrected here.

 

Are commas up for debate? Those can give me troubles, sometimes.


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26857666 - 08/01/20 08:38 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

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And why are you laughing, you're being corrected here.





Can you really call it being corrected if the corrections are also incorrect?


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    #26857676 - 08/01/20 08:46 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

I don't place a high emphasis on correct grammatical sentences on the shroomery, so being correctd is I don't give a fuck territory.  You, using it to score a point on me, and Failing  is fucking hilarious. :canthelpbutlaugh:


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    #26857691 - 08/01/20 09:01 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

Yeah, fucking hilarious we're having to correct your drunk ass.

Back on topic then.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12272-020-01258-7

Review
Published: 01 August 2020
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine: a potential and controversial treatment for COVID-19
Li Zou, Lijun Dai, […]Zhentao Zhang
Archives of Pharmacal Research (2020)Cite this article

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"Abstract
A novel coronavirus, later named SARS-CoV-2, was first reported in China in December 2019 and subsequently widely identified in the United States, Japan, South Korea, France, India, and other countries. The disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection was called COVID-19. The high fatality and morbidity rates of COVID-19 make it the third largest global epidemic in this century. However, there are currently no approved antiviral drugs for the COVID-19 treatment. Recently, two old antimalarial drugs, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, have been found to exert anti-SARS-CoV-2 effects both in vitro and in vivo. Preliminary clinical evidence suggests these drugs may have an effect on the treatment of COVID-19. Herein, we review the pharmacokinetics characteristics and antiviral effects of these drugs, in addition to their side effects and clinical evidence of their use for the COVID-19 treatment.

Conclusion and suggestions
In summary, HCQ and CQ were found to have exert anti-SARS-CoV-2 effects both in vitro and in vivo, and represent potential treatment options for COVID-19 (Fig. 1). However, the clinical evidence of their effects is from some single-center clinical trials. Evidence from multi-center clinical trials is still lacking. In accordance with the pharmacological and toxicological effects of CQ and HCQ discussed here, the authors of this review recommend the following: (1) Multicenter randomized controlled clinical trials are needed to clarify the CQ and HCQ efficiency and safety in the COVID-19 treatment; (2) Considering their ocular, cardiac and neuro toxicities, CQ and HCQ should not be recommended as preventive drugs for the COVID-19 pandemic; (3) Follow-up of patients who received CQ or HCQ treatment is necessary to access their long-term effects and side effects; (4) The CQ and HCQ dosage and their combination regimen with other drugs in clinical trials should be appropriately adjusted."


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I like that I rustled your jimmies though. That brings me joy.
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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26857774 - 08/01/20 10:02 PM (7 days, 22 minutes ago)

The fact that you posted a lit review containing zero new information demonstrates how little you understand about reading and interpreting scientific lit for actual understanding. It added nothing beyond what is already known.  Particuarly in east asia, sheer quantity of publication, regardless of quality, is the ticket to professorships and tenure.


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The fact that you posted a lit review containing zero new information demonstrates how little you understand about reading and interpreting scientific lit for actual understanding. It added nothing beyond what is already known.  Particuarly in east asia, sheer quantity of publication, regardless of quality, is the ticket to professorships and tenure.




What's your point?

Or are you just saying I'm wrong again?

You can say HCQ doesn't work all you want. Other people who use HCQ on a regular basis in treating paitents are saying different.

Perhaps those people you care for are too far gone for HCQ to be effective.

It is best used as a prophylactic at first onset of symptoms.


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You realize emotion doesn't have a place in  mathematics?
koods said:
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(2) Considering their ocular, cardiac and neuro toxicities, CQ and HCQ should not be recommended as preventive drugs for the COVID-19 pandemic




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(2) Considering their ocular, cardiac and neuro toxicities, CQ and HCQ should not be recommended as preventive drugs for the COVID-19 pandemic







(3) Follow-up of patients who received CQ or HCQ treatment is necessary to access their long-term effects and side effect


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    #26857830 - 08/01/20 10:47 PM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

You specifically said to use it as a prophylactic, which is a preventative. You can't pick the parts of an article that you like and disregard the ones you don't. But that seems to be all you're capable of.


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    #26857835 - 08/01/20 10:53 PM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

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You specifically said to use it as a prophylactic, which is a preventative. You can't pick the parts of an article that you like and disregard the ones you don't. But that seems to be all you're capable of.




Nope, still stand by prophylactics.

That does not discount a need for follow up studies.

:derp:

Then, those studies have got to be peer reviewed, or else they are absolutely useless and should not be recommended to anyone.

Regardless if people are trying to save lives or not.

And who cares about frontline workers using HCQ as prescribed and seeing positive results. They have zero experience treating paitents.


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    #26857838 - 08/01/20 10:55 PM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

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It is best used as a prophylactic at first onset of symptoms.



:rofl: omg dude you are doubling down in quite possibly the dumbest way imaginable. the exact same article you're defending says not to use it as one because patients taking it need to be on EKG monitors


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Quote:

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You specifically said to use it as a prophylactic, which is a preventative. You can't pick the parts of an article that you like and disregard the ones you don't. But that seems to be all you're capable of.




Nope, still stand by prophylactics.

That does not discount a need for follow up studies.

:derp:





So you stand by doing the thing that your article explicitly says not to do, and think that the fact that the drug is so dangerous that people who use it require long-term health monitoring helps to prove your point?


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    #26857848 - 08/01/20 11:00 PM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

HamHead is a stunning display of the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It is really spectacular tp witness.



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    #26857882 - 08/01/20 11:31 PM (6 days, 22 hours ago)

However, an international vote of 6227 doctors from 30 countries and regions released by the global medical voting company Sermo found that of the 15 treatment alternatives, 37% of doctors rated HCQ as “the most effective treatment for COVID-19” (Sermo.com 2020). Therefore, evidence from large multi-center randomized controlled clinical trials is required to confirm these results and to determine the duration and dose to achieve individualized medication. Clinical trials should find a more appropriate populational size or endpoint indicator that is most appropriate to evaluate the CQ/HCQ (and all other drugs) effect on clinical feasibility and the assessment of reduced the mortality rates in severe or critical illness patients (Chen et al. 2020a). It is important to note that some COVID-19 patients have several comorbidities, and some are pregnant women and children. Thus, a special attention should be given to these patients when considering CQ and HCQ treatment.

Toxicology
Both HCQ and CQ have good safety records and display mild side effects. Gastrointestinal reactions, such as vomiting and diarrhea are the most common side effects of these drugs. Other side effects include dizziness, headache, dazzling, tinnitus, disturbances of taste and smell, seizures, psychosis, and irritability. These side effects are usually mild and can disappear after stopping treatment (Al-Bari 2015; Srinivasa et al. 2017).

On the other hand, patients who took these drugs for long periods experienced toxic effects, such as retinopathy, circular defects (or bull’s eye maculopathy), and retinal diameter defects, which are generally irreversible, mainly due to drug accumulation in the eye (Schrezenmeier and Dörner 2020). Among toxic effects, retinopathy is the more serious clinical problem that can cause irreversible damage to vision, and even blindness. The American Academy of Ophthalmology determined the risk factors for retinopathy due to HCQ use, which include a time of use greater than 5 years, a high daily drug dosage (HCQ > 5.0 mg/kg lean body mass; CQ > 2.3 mg/kg lean body mass), renal or liver disease patient, high body fat levels, use of concomitant drugs similar to tamoxifen, macular disease and age over 60 years (Marmor et al. 2016). Remarkably, the daily dose and duration of use are the main risk factors. When the HCQ daily dose exceeds 20 mg/kg, the incidence of retinopathy is a 25 to 40% within 1 to 2 years (Marmor et al. 2016). Although the use duration of HCQ and CQ in COVID-19 patients is generally very short, it is still necessary to be aware of their retinal toxicity. Retinal degeneration caused by HCQ and CQ can continue to develop even after treatment is stopped.

The CQ and HCQ side effects in the heart are mainly conduction disorders and cardiomyopathy, which are usually irreversible and fatal (Frisk-Holmberg et al. 1983; Tönnesmann et al. 2013). The cardiotoxicity of these drugs may be related to the their long-term use, which causes acquired lysosomal accumulation disorder. This eventually leads to drug-induced cardiomyopathy, or in the case of excessive doses ingestion, acute poisoning (Yogasundaram et al. 2014). There is a case report of an elderly woman with lupus patient who used HCQ for a long time was diagnosed with refractory ventricular arrhythmia due to a prolonged QT interval. After excluding other causes, she was diagnosed with cardiac conduction abnormalities caused by chronic HCQ poisoning (Chen et al. 2006).

Because CQ and HCQ affect the cardiac conduction system, their use should be avoided in combination with other drugs that block cardiac conduction to prevent fatal arrhythmia. Among them, digitalis drugs (digoxin, desacetylgoxin, digitoxin, and trichoside K), antiarrhythmic drugs class Ia (quinidine and procainamide), antiarrhythmic drugs class III (amiodarone, sotalol, ibutilide, and dronedarone), benpredil, hydrochlorothiazide, and indapamide. In addition, the CQ/HCQ combination with antibiotics, such as quinolones and macrolides, should be prohibited to avoid the risk of promoting the QT interval prolongation and leading to tip torsion. In addition, it is worth mentioning that the interval between the therapeutic and toxic doses of CQ and HCQ is narrow, and acute CQ poisoning is associated with a potential life-threatening cardiovascular disease (Touret and de Lamballerie 2020).

Regarding the nervous system, currently there is no experimental evidence that CQ, HCQ and their metabolites can affect its conduction properties. It is only known that quinine is neurotoxic to dopaminergic neurons in the limbic system (Zou et al. 2018). Further studies are needed to investigate the CQ and HCQ effects on the central and peripheral nervous systems. Therefore, the CQ and HCQ use should follow strict rules and self-medication is not recommended. Moreover, for patients using these drugs, ECG and echocardiographic monitoring should be performed regularly to early detect potential cardiac toxicity early (Yogasundaram et al. 2014).

Over the years, researchers have measured the correlation between CQ/HCQ and toxicity. Their toxicological properties are concentration-dependent. The concentration that causes mild side effects, such as dizziness, diplopia, and fatigue, is about 0.5 to 1.2 × 10–6 mol/L. According to previous reports, about 80% of patients with side effects have CQ/HCQ plasma concentration higher than 2.5 × 10–6 mol/L. On the other hand, no toxic reaction has been reported when their plasma concentration is below 1.25 × 10–6 mol/L. Finally, the critical plasma concentration of cardiovascular toxicity caused by CQ is about 1000 μg/L (3 × 10−6 mol/L) (Ducharme and Farinotti 1996).

Parlay me, bitch!

I need to get a bigger soapbox.

Until then, I'm going to wait for all these studies being done on HCQ to release.

I suppose I can look at how well other countries using HCQ are doing.


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And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
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    #26857897 - 08/01/20 11:49 PM (6 days, 22 hours ago)



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    #26857920 - 08/02/20 12:02 AM (6 days, 22 hours ago)

Not really sure what you're trying to prove by posting these articles nobody (including yourself) will read. The only you even give a shit about HCQ is because your daddy Trump said it might be a cure. In spite of the articles touting its benefits, it would seem the very doctors and other qualified personnel have been reporting the exact opposite. I'm going to listen to the people who actually work in this field, not some halfassed journalist. If there's anything I've learned from this thread, is that google is not your friend.


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    #26857959 - 08/02/20 12:27 AM (6 days, 21 hours ago)

I'll leave this and ask a simple question:

article

Question: Do you understand the difference between a journal impact score,  the allegations of pay for publication out other major publishers (Elsevier) and how trust worthy information is? Quick follow up (I know that's 2 questions) What's the difference between a double blind placebo controlled study and an epidemiological study?

I have I guess, unless you google, you have no idea.


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    #26858018 - 08/02/20 01:33 AM (6 days, 20 hours ago)

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I'll leave this and ask a simple question:

article

Question: Do you understand the difference between a journal impact score,  the allegations of pay for publication out other major publishers (Elsevier) and how trust worthy information is? Quick follow up (I know that's 2 questions) What's the difference between a double blind placebo controlled study and an epidemiological study?

I have I guess, unless you google, you have no idea.




:rush:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

"METHODS
We conducted a randomized (comes into question), double-blind, placebo-controlled trial across the United States and parts of Canada testing hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis. We enrolled adults who had household or occupational exposure to someone with confirmed Covid-19 at a distance of less than 6 ft for more than 10 minutes while wearing neither a face mask nor an eye shield (high-risk exposure) or while wearing a face mask but no eye shield (moderate-risk exposure). Within 4 days after exposure, we randomly assigned participants to receive either placebo or hydroxychloroquine (800 mg once, followed by 600 mg in 6 to 8 hours, then 600 mg daily for 4 additional days). The primary outcome was the incidence of either laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 or illness compatible with Covid-19 within 14 days."

First, dosage. 800mg+600mg=1,400mg Within 24hours or less, which is a little too much even when treating a malaria infection. Then, 600mg for 4 additional days equals 2,400mg. Yay, I maths, see! 2,400mg+1,400mg=3,800mg

Weight Based Dosage In Adults And Pediatric Patients

13 mg/kg (10 mg/kg base), not to exceed 800 mg (620 mg base) followed by 6.5 mg/kg (5 mg/kg base), not to exceed 400 mg (310 mg base), at 6 hours, 24 hours and 48 hours after the initial dose.

And to treat malaria, 800mg+400mg=1,200mg. Then, it says 400mg at 24 and 48 hours, which is an additional 800mg. So, 800mg+400mg@6h+400mg@24hr+400mg@48h=2,000mg.

It's no wonder people are having problems with dosages used. IMO, it's too much when only 200mg once per day for 5 days on Zelenko protocol, which includes zinc, something this trial leaves out which has been proven be a vital key when using a zinc ionophore such as HCQ.


SETTING
Recruitment was performed primarily with the use of social media outreach as well as traditional media platforms. Participants were enrolled nationwide in the United States and in the Canadian provinces of Quebec, Manitoba, and Alberta. Participants enrolled themselves through a secure Internet-based survey using the Research Electronic Data Capture (REDCap) system.

Not randomized.

These trials leave out zinc. Do they not understand zinc ionophore?


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    #26866965 - 08/06/20 08:01 PM (2 days, 2 hours ago)

Oh, here's a gem, for those smart enough to understand what's happening.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4350140/

"Hydroxychloroquine-Inhibited Dengue Virus Is Associated with Host Defense Machinery

Abstract
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial drug also used in treating autoimmune diseases. Its antiviral activity was demonstrated in restricting HIV infection in vitro; however, the clinical implications remain controversial. Infection with dengue virus (DENV) is a global public health problem, and we lack an antiviral drug for DENV. Here, we evaluated the anti-DENV potential of treatment with HCQ. Immunofluorescence assays demonstrated that HCQ could inhibit DENV serotype 1–4 infection in vitro. RT-qPCR analysis of HCQ-treated cells showed induced expression of interferon (IFN)-related antiviral proteins and certain inflammatory cytokines. Mechanistic study suggested that HCQ activated the innate immune signaling pathways of IFN-β, AP-1, and NFκB. Knocking down mitochondrial antiviral signaling protein (MAVS), inhibiting TANK binding kinase 1 (TBK1)/inhibitor-κB kinase ɛ (IKKɛ), and blocking type I IFN receptor reduced the efficiency of HCQ against DENV-2 infection. Furthermore, HCQ significantly induced cellular production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), which was involved in the host defense system. Suppression of ROS production attenuated the innate immune activation and anti-DENV-2 effect of HCQ. In summary, HCQ triggers the host defense machinery by inducing ROS- and MAVS-mediated innate immune activation against DENV infection and may be a candidate drug for DENV infection."

Oh, jeez, it's so abstract, don't get lost.

:pleasetellmemore:

What's up?

Want me to pull up some shit about Dengue vaccines used in hundreds of thousands of children?

And people have the nerve to come at me about empathy.

Fauci has no empathy.

Gates has no empathy.


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Asshole.
Jokeshopbeard said:
And also no; science, research, and peer reveiwed bollocks means very little to me.
Such things belong in the realm of intellect, not of reason, wisdom, and common sense.


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    #26866973 - 08/06/20 08:06 PM (2 days, 2 hours ago)

You should go back and Major in bio w/ a track that emphasizes  biomed and or research.  Then you can rise through the ranks and take over the CDC p and save the world from the evil mask pandemic and then you’ll be able to tell everyone I told you so and stuff...

You’re already heavily invested, may as well go all the way baby!


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    #26867073 - 08/06/20 09:06 PM (2 days, 1 hour ago)

Go back?

As if I went to begin with?

Pfft.

I worked. I learned skills.

It's only been these past 4 months or so that I've been in this rabbit hole.

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    #26867119 - 08/06/20 09:31 PM (2 days, 54 minutes ago)

Speak for yourself, Ive been treating, much less learning about, viral pneumonias for longer than 4 months




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    #26867423 - 08/06/20 11:55 PM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

You just don't stop, do you? :lol:


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    #26867426 - 08/06/20 11:57 PM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

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Speak for yourself, Ive been treating, much less learning about, viral pneumonias for longer than 4 months







Stand corrected. You have been assisting doctors who are treating patients. You have no say in their treatments.

I know it hurts.

You'll be OK.

Quote:

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You just don't stop, do you? :lol:




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Not until evidence can no longer be ignored.


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    #26867428 - 08/06/20 11:59 PM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

I'm more of a results guy, but you do you


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    #26867446 - 08/07/20 12:22 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

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I'm more of a results guy, but you do you




Same.

Quick to see, like those lethal HCQ doses given to critically ill patients.


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Stand corrected. You have been assisting doctors who are treating patients. You have no say in their treatments.



Nope. Nurses treat patients.


Literally just google nurses treat patients (we all know you're capable of using google). It is standard nomenclature. In the environment I work in, doctors actually do very little other than prescribe drugs, intubate patients, and insert central venous catheters.


By the way, you don't even assist doctors. You sit at home all day trying to pick arguments about a drug you almost certainly had never even heard of before it become a partisan talking point. The utter void of meaning that characterizes your existence would pitiable, if only you didn't go so far out of your way to be so insufferably annoying to people who actually contribute something valuable to the world.

You don't even know where the nursing scope of practice is defined (yeah, go ahead and google it and try to pretend that you do), much less what is actually includes.



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HamHead speaks of what he does not know as if he knows it.
I imagine I’d have a hard time trusting him if he had to properly administer meds, intubate, or hook up a central venous catheter - just to name a few things...


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HamHead speaks of what he does not know as if he knows it.
I imagine I’d have a hard time trusting him if he had to administer meds, intubate, or hook up a mainline.



I would pay good money to watch this guy attempt to pass even prereqs for nursing school.



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Quote:

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HamHead speaks of what he does not know as if he knows it.
I imagine I’d have a hard time trusting him if he had to administer meds, intubate, or hook up a mainline.



I would pay good money to watch this guy attempt to pass even prereqs for nursing school.







Does he even have a high school diploma? The whole randomized bit in the study I linked about recruiting through facebook.  The doctors did not select patients, i.e. randomized.  When you perform a randomized trial you put out an advert seeking patients in the listed range, and take who shows up.  You do no not abduct people of the street, conduct studies on patients currently in hospital without written consent (self-selection). 

I do hope HamHead achieves his dream of a three way bath in HCQ now with zinc with Donald Trump and Alex Jones.  It would be a beautiful moment.


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Oh, here's a gem, for those smart enough to understand what's happening.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4350140/

"Hydroxychloroquine-Inhibited Dengue Virus Is Associated with Host Defense Machinery

Abstract
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial drug also used in treating autoimmune diseases. Its antiviral activity was demonstrated in restricting HIV infection in vitro; however, the clinical implications remain controversial. Infection with dengue virus (DENV) is a global public health problem, and we lack an antiviral drug for DENV. Here, we evaluated the anti-DENV potential of treatment with HCQ. Immunofluorescence assays demonstrated that HCQ could inhibit DENV serotype 1–4 infection in vitro. RT-qPCR analysis of HCQ-treated cells showed induced expression of interferon (IFN)-related antiviral proteins and certain inflammatory cytokines. Mechanistic study suggested that HCQ activated the innate immune signaling pathways of IFN-β, AP-1, and NFκB. Knocking down mitochondrial antiviral signaling protein (MAVS), inhibiting TANK binding kinase 1 (TBK1)/inhibitor-κB kinase ɛ (IKKɛ), and blocking type I IFN receptor reduced the efficiency of HCQ against DENV-2 infection. Furthermore, HCQ significantly induced cellular production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), which was involved in the host defense system. Suppression of ROS production attenuated the innate immune activation and anti-DENV-2 effect of HCQ. In summary, HCQ triggers the host defense machinery by inducing ROS- and MAVS-mediated innate immune activation against DENV infection and may be a candidate drug for DENV infection."

Oh, jeez, it's so abstract, don't get lost.

:pleasetellmemore:

What's up?

Want me to pull up some shit about Dengue vaccines used in hundreds of thousands of children?

And people have the nerve to come at me about empathy.

Fauci has no empathy.

Gates has no empathy.




I asked this before: Do you have any research where they actually studied if HCQ has any benefit treating dengue?


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26869985 - 08/08/20 02:09 PM (8 hours, 16 minutes ago)

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HamHead said:
Oh, here's a gem, for those smart enough to understand what's happening.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4350140/

"Hydroxychloroquine-Inhibited Dengue Virus Is Associated with Host Defense Machinery

Abstract
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial drug also used in treating autoimmune diseases. Its antiviral activity was demonstrated in restricting HIV infection in vitro; however, the clinical implications remain controversial. Infection with dengue virus (DENV) is a global public health problem, and we lack an antiviral drug for DENV. Here, we evaluated the anti-DENV potential of treatment with HCQ. Immunofluorescence assays demonstrated that HCQ could inhibit DENV serotype 1–4 infection in vitro. RT-qPCR analysis of HCQ-treated cells showed induced expression of interferon (IFN)-related antiviral proteins and certain inflammatory cytokines. Mechanistic study suggested that HCQ activated the innate immune signaling pathways of IFN-β, AP-1, and NFκB. Knocking down mitochondrial antiviral signaling protein (MAVS), inhibiting TANK binding kinase 1 (TBK1)/inhibitor-κB kinase ɛ (IKKɛ), and blocking type I IFN receptor reduced the efficiency of HCQ against DENV-2 infection. Furthermore, HCQ significantly induced cellular production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), which was involved in the host defense system. Suppression of ROS production attenuated the innate immune activation and anti-DENV-2 effect of HCQ. In summary, HCQ triggers the host defense machinery by inducing ROS- and MAVS-mediated innate immune activation against DENV infection and may be a candidate drug for DENV infection."

Oh, jeez, it's so abstract, don't get lost.

:pleasetellmemore:

What's up?

Want me to pull up some shit about Dengue vaccines used in hundreds of thousands of children?

And people have the nerve to come at me about empathy.

Fauci has no empathy.

Gates has no empathy.




Direct from your article, it's a header in fact

HCQ inhibits DENV infection in vitro.

I know latin is hard, but any researcher will tell you in vitro studies do not have a high rate of success when moved to in vivo.  Keep posting irrelevant studies.  If that one worked HCQ would be a front-line treatment for DENV since it was performed in 2015.  It did not because the results did not translate to animal models most likely. 

Please keep trying and not understanding how science works. Remember the Dunning-Kruger graph I posted for you, remember where you stand on that graph.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Ice9] * 4
    #26870050 - 08/08/20 02:44 PM (7 hours, 41 minutes ago)

Hamhead is currently on vacation from the pub.  Be totally ok if you guys just let these fall off into oblivion and moved on.


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: mndfreeze] * 1
    #26870164 - 08/08/20 04:15 PM (6 hours, 10 minutes ago)

:haha:


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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26870179 - 08/08/20 04:26 PM (5 hours, 59 minutes ago)

Lol whatd he do to earn that?


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