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lowbrow said: The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run. I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.
The states with the most lives bodies are also democrat run. Can you think of a relationship between the size of the population and the number of deaths. That's why scientists use rates.
"Dharavi contains pockets where as many as 650,000 people are crammed into 2.5 square kilometers. In comparison, New York City has only around 95,605 people for 2.5 square kilometers."
Nah, no relations. All of India has about 3k more deaths than NYC.
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Population density obviously is a factor but not the only one. NYC is a major international travel destination and is home to many people wealthy enough to travel internationally. It is also home to a substantial Chinese diaspora, the largest in the Western Hemisphere. Not surprising in the least that it hit there early and got a head start.
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lowbrow said: The states with the most dead bodies are the ones that are democrat run. I’d assume they’re the ones that didn’t listen.
The states with the most lives bodies are also democrat run. Can you think of a relationship between the size of the population and the number of deaths. That's why scientists use rates.
I appreciate you agreeing with what I'm saying.
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Re: [Re: psi]
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psi said: Population density obviously is a factor but not the only one. NYC is a major international travel destination and is home to many people wealthy enough to travel internationally. It is also home to a substantial Chinese diaspora, the largest in the Western Hemisphere. Not surprising in the least that it hit there early and got a head start.
Wealthy people with access to clean water and nutritious foods and health care?
Unlike those slums of India, where personal hygiene might be lacking.
Nah, population density can't be a factor.
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No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.
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psi said: No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.
No, duh.
Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?
India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.
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NYC was hit with it early because there is a lot of travel to and from there, and a significant number of people there have ties to China. Some subset of them travel back and forth to there. This is what I was talking about in that post above, but all you addressed was the word "wealthy".
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psi said: No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.
No, duh.
Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?
India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.
The fact they put covid patients in nursing homes in New York could be a factor too.
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psi said: No, you have not demonstrated that population density can't be a factor.
No, duh.
Of course it is a factor. What I'm saying is, those people in NYC had access to many things those people in India slums did not. So, why did so many people die in NYC, a wealthy city, when there are many more people in a similar sized area with fewer deaths?
India has just under 36k deaths. NYC has over 32k deaths.
As someone who works every day with a large indian staff I can say that they did things a little different. They have police literally beating people with sticks to stay inside. Young rebellious punks who want to go out and party getting their ass whooped. Every single person on my staff is scared shitless of other people right now. That PROBABLY has something to do with the numbers, but I can only speculate.
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psi said: NYC was hit with it early because there is a lot of travel to and from there, and a significant number of people there have ties to China. Some subset of them travel back and forth to there. This is what I was talking about in that post above, but all you addressed was the word "wealthy".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51880799
New York: The city that never sleeps on lockdown By Natalie Sherman Business reporter, New York 18 March 2020 Business
Strange, NYC goes into lockdown and deaths spike. Like, it's hard to deny this correlation.
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It's as though those people had caught some sort of virus beforehand
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Maybe someone brought this virus from another country on a plane or something? Who knows.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: It's as though those people had caught some sort of virus beforehand
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/health/cdc-3-u-s-airports-including-jfk-to-screen-travelers-for-new-chinese-virus/2261493/?amp
CDC: 3 U.S. Airports, Including JFK, to Screen Travelers From China for New Virus Published January 17, 2020 • Updated on January 18, 2020 at 2:00 am
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-might-have-had-almost-11000-covid-19-infections-before-first-case-report/2386680/
"Citing new model data given to the paper by Northeastern University in Boston, the Times also reported there could have been more than 28,000 infections in five major U.S. cities by March 1, at a time when those cities were only reporting a total of 23 cases."
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2-14 day incubation time.
Lockdown began March 18.
Meaning mass infection had to occur roughly 14 days prior to lockdown in order for so many to die right after March 18th.
Yet, reports of 11,000 infections before a single case is recognized.
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lowbrow said: Why wouldn’t I assume that?
I have no idea why you wouldn't, but I don't assume those sorts of things, so I guess it probably comes down to a difference in the experiences we've had. It's quite clear you hold the Democrats (or just "the left") responsible for many of the problems America is facing right now, and sometimes I get the sense that this is just some sort of axiom for you. I encourage you to examine this axiom, and to consider ways that it might possibly be clouding your judgment.
I think your swift and automatic dismissals (and finger pointing) of anything politically left obscures the more important discussion of what we ought to do to solve our problems. We're all here debating whether or not Hydroxychloroquine is a reliable treatment for COVID-19 or not, and you're basically contributing to the discussion by saying that the reason there are so many deaths is "because Democrats". I don't think it adds anything to the discussion, really. That's my critique.
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The jet set brought the virus to NYC early on you say? Could have sworn I said something similar a few posts back.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: psi]
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14613284/
"Safety of hydroxychloroquine in pregnant patients with connective tissue diseases: a study of one hundred thirty-three cases compared with a control group Nathalie Costedoat-Chalumeau et al. Arthritis Rheum. 2003 Nov. Free article
Abstract Objective: The use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in pregnancy remains controversial. The recent demonstration that HCQ passes across the placenta, with cord blood concentrations nearly identical to those found in maternal blood, emphasizes the need for careful evaluation of pregnancies in women receiving HCQ. However, only small series of HCQ-treated pregnant women have been reported, and most of these studies had no control group. We now report our experience with 133 pregnancies in women being treated with HCQ, resulting in 117 live births. Results in the HCQ group are compared with those in a control group.
Methods: One hundred thirty-three consecutive pregnancies in 90 women treated with 200 mg of HCQ either twice daily (122 pregnancies) or once daily (11 pregnancies) were studied. These pregnancies were compared with 70 consecutive pregnancies in 53 women with similar disorders who did not receive HCQ. Electrocardiography was performed in 47 children of mothers treated with HCQ and in 45 children in the control group.
Results: Eighty-eight percent of pregnancies in the HCQ group and 84% of those in the control group ended successfully with a live birth. The outcomes of pregnancy were not statistically different between groups. One child in each group died of causes related to prematurity. Three malformations were observed in the HCQ group (1 hypospadias, 1 craniostenosis, and 1 cardiac malformation) versus 4 in the control group. On the electrocardiograms, the PR interval and the corrected QT interval were not statistically different between groups. No visual, hearing, growth, or developmental abnormalities were reported in any of the children at the last follow-up (ages 12-108 months; mean age 26 months).
Conclusion: Our findings support preliminary evidence for the safety of HCQ therapy during pregnancy. This treatment probably should be maintained throughout pregnancy in patients with systemic lupus erythematosus."
Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?
Its so toxic, its mentioned in many DIY euthanasia guides as a killing drug, to be combined with sedatives.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Asante]
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Approved for use during pregnancy, why is it receiving so much criticism for being dangerous?
Its so toxic, its mentioned in many DIY euthanasia guides as a killing drug, to be combined with sedatives.
At lethal doses, yes.
Used as prescribed, not so much.
200mg, twice a week.
Sound toxic?
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