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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26989368 - 10/17/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's odd how deaths suddenly spike right after stay at home orders were put in place. It's clear as day in NYC, it goes way up then rigbt back down.
How is that odd? The stay at home orders were in direct response to the situation in the hospitals. Remember that the testing situation the second week of March was a mess. It was the actual number of people being hospitalized that spurred the government into action.
It goes back down because the stay at home orders started to work.
Are you really this dense?
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And there are strong arguments to be made that many of those were already on their way out, being a high percentage of people dying are elderly or those with other health issues
No there are not. Mortality is very predictable. 276,000 extra people didn’t die because they were already on the way out. They died because of covid. You have to be an absolute idiot to not get this. Mortality in the US was perfectly normal (running slightly less than normal, actually) then the pandemic hit and excess mortality went through the roof. It is an actual fact that the virus is directly responsible for a large majority of those deaths. Denying this fact is lying. You are lying.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26989435 - 10/17/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: Data changes constantly, making it impossible to have any idea of how many have actually been 'infected'.
That's a really shitty argument, and you could use the same logic to dismiss pretty much any live data set. Are you willing to commit yourself to the premise that all live data sets ought to be dismissed because they "change constantly"? The data that supports weather prediction by meteorologists is "changing constantly," but are you going to tell me that you would plan a backpacking trip in the mountains when a meteorologist predicts (using a live data model) that there will be a sudden snow storm that weekend? Hell no you wouldn't.
You can't just dismiss a body of data because it doesn't agree with your beliefs. You have a responsibility to adjust your beliefs according to the evidence.
You spend so much time bombarding us all with data that (allegedly) demonstrates the effectiveness of HCQ, but as soon as someone shows you data that suggests the virus is highly contagious and has a relatively high mortality rate, you dismiss it because "data changes constantly." That's fucking bullshit, HamHead. It's honestly kind of sad to see how badly the media you consume has warped your sense of reality and overridden your brain's logical capacity.
Side note: of course we can never know exactly how many people are infected at a time, but that's why it's important to test as many people as possible and to test frequently. We need as many tests as we can afford so that we can get the most accurate data. Unfortunately, our lovely administration pushed back strongly against testing early on during the pandemic, when it was most critical to do so.
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Why is anyone even bothering at this point I'm convinced at this point that Hamhead is some scripted program ran by some dorky teenager in Estonia. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#26989439 - 10/17/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#26989444 - 10/17/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Why is anyone even bothering at this point I'm convinced at this point that Hamhead is some scripted program ran by some dorky teenager in Estonia. Prove me wrong.
Pretty good point, tbh. He's consistently pushed narratives that are dangerous to public health, and we're all basically giving him a platform for that by replying to him. Call it a bad habit of mine to argue with idiots on the internet
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3784920/
Think about it like this. It's the middle of March in NYC. It's still chilly outside. Many thousands have just lost their jobs and have to stay home with little to no income until unemployment pays. Nursing homes isolating people in their rooms. People staying home in their small appartments, remember 66% of those infected were those staying at home.
Had those people not been forced into lockdown and continued to go about their business and not been stressed from losing their jobs and continued to pay their bills and put food on their tables for nutrition, that massive spike in deaths would not have occurred.
NYC is a dirty city. It's no surprise people can't breath when there's so much exhaust and break dust and other toxins in their air.
While a majority of the country was sitting back in horror watching the death rate spike, looking at my own city of Denver and seeing nothing of the sorts going on here.


As you can see, Texas took a little longer to accumulate their total. Interesting to see what months it began spiking, during summer months. When people are inside an air conditioned, low humidity environment, ideal for aerosolized viral transmission in closed spaces such as nursing homes and apartment/dormitories.
Increase CO2 over 1,000ppm for long enough and there's cognitive decline.
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HamHead said: Data changes constantly, making it impossible to have any idea of how many have actually been 'infected'.
That's a really shitty argument, and you could use the same logic to dismiss pretty much any live data set. Are you willing to commit yourself to the premise that all live data sets ought to be dismissed because they "change constantly"? The data that supports weather prediction by meteorologists is "changing constantly," but are you going to tell me that you would plan a backpacking trip in the mountains when a meteorologist predicts (using a live data model) that there will be a sudden snow storm that weekend? Hell no you wouldn't.
You can't just dismiss a body of data because it doesn't agree with your beliefs. You have a responsibility to adjust your beliefs according to the evidence.
You spend so much time bombarding us all with data that (allegedly) demonstrates the effectiveness of HCQ, but as soon as someone shows you data that suggests the virus is highly contagious and has a relatively high mortality rate, you dismiss it because "data changes constantly." That's fucking bullshit, HamHead. It's honestly kind of sad to see how badly the media you consume has warped your sense of reality and overridden your brain's logical capacity.
Side note: of course we can never know exactly how many people are infected at a time, but that's why it's important to test as many people as possible and to test frequently. We need as many tests as we can afford so that we can get the most accurate data. Unfortunately, our lovely administration pushed back strongly against testing early on during the pandemic, when it was most critical to do so.
When testing becomes more accurate, I agree. With the number of false positives/negatives being reported, why should we trust what numbers we are currently given?
I made a silly argument about data changing because Ice9 demands math from statistics which is constantly changing and being evaluated. Such as, suicides, traffic deaths, heart disease, overdoses, etc, all of which have seen rises in reported cases.
Also, it may be highly contagious but it's obviously not very lethal, considering many people have to be tested to even know they've been infected.
Sure, to old people with weak immune systems and to those with poor diets and weak immune systems, ANY respiratory illness is going to cause them to have complications breathing, some of which lead to more serious, bacterial infections.
Hypoxia is a thing, and what gasses we breathe have a major impact on our bodies physiology and how it reacts to infections.
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Tldr. Keep calling me stupid and ignoring me.
See Dr. John Campbell on Zinc.
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Honestly I think HamHead should be banned for the kind of misinformation he’s pushing. This is a harm reduction site. I don’t think we need to allow dangerous information to be disseminated here.
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Look he wrote all that in less than 5 minutes replying to you. It's totally a bot.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26989451 - 10/17/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hypoxia has nothing to do with CO2
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989454 - 10/17/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Hypoxia has nothing to do with CO2

I'm sorry, what?
https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-archive/respiratory-clinical-archive/managing-hypoxia-and-hypercapnia-18-03-2003/#:~:text=Respiratory%20failure%20is%20defined%20as,of%20greater%20than%206.7kPa.
"The main objective when treating hypoxia (a deficiency of oxygen in the tissues) and hypercapnia (a high concentration of carbon dioxide in the blood) is to give sufficient oxygen to ensure that the patient is safe and his or her condition does not deteriorate."
IMHO, koods, you should be banned for trolling.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989455 - 10/17/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tldr. Keep calling me stupid and ignoring me
You’re stupid
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26989457 - 10/17/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Hypoxia has nothing to do with CO2

I'm sorry, what?
Hypoxia is low levels of oxygen, not high levels of CO2. High levels of CO2 do not cause hypoxia.
You posting a paragraph with both terms doesn’t change the fact that you seem to think that CO2 levels are responsible for hypoxia.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989460 - 10/17/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Hypoxia has nothing to do with CO2

I'm sorry, what?
Hypoxia is low levels of oxygen, not high levels of CO2
You posting a paragraph with both terms doesn’t change the fact that you seem to think that CO2 levels are responsible for hypoxia.
Let's see, we sit at home with low ventilation, CO2 rises as we slowly suck oxygen from our environment. Low oxygen/higher than normal CO2 levels. . .
Hypoxia/hypercapnia.
One is low levels of oxygen the other is high levels of CO2.
They go hand in hand, koods.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#26989466 - 10/17/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Look he wrote all that in less than 5 minutes replying to you. It's totally a bot.
Lol you have a seriously good point.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26989468 - 10/17/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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No... one thing doesn’t lead to another. You don’t understand what you’re talking about. Low levels of oxygen do not lead to high levels of CO2 or visa versa. Low levels of oxygen and high levels of CO2 can both be caused by poor gas exchange in the lungs, but one does not cause the other.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989471 - 10/17/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's see, we sit at home with low ventilation, CO2 rises as we slowly suck oxygen from our environment. Low oxygen/higher than normal CO2 levels. . .
So suddenly this is a problem that has killed 270,000 extra people this year. People have been sitting in poorly ventilated rooms for millennia.
Your posts are mindbendingly retarded
Your posts are full of intentionally misleading information and I think you’re not a good person.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989479 - 10/17/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: No... one thing doesn’t lead to another. You don’t understand what you’re talking about. Low levels of oxygen do not lead to high levels of CO2 or visa versa. Low levels of oxygen and high levels of CO2 can both be caused by poor gas exchange in the lungs, but one does not cause the other.
https://www.healthline.com/health/copd/hypoxia#complications
"Hypoxia can also lead to a condition called hypercapnia. This occurs when the lungs retain too much carbon dioxide due to breathing difficulties."
Misinformation alright.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989483 - 10/17/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's see, we sit at home with low ventilation, CO2 rises as we slowly suck oxygen from our environment. Low oxygen/higher than normal CO2 levels. . .
So suddenly this is a problem that has killed 270,000 extra people this year. People have been sitting in poorly ventilated rooms for millennia.
Your posts are mindbendingly retarded
Your posts are full of intentionally misleading information and I think you’re not a good person.
Considering this is the first time a majority of people were told not to go to work and children not to go to school, I think there might have more people sitting around their homes for longer periods of times, with nothing to do seeing everything closed.
Thank you for all of your insults, koods. Obvious signs of favoritism on these boards seeing how you continually troll and insult me yet I keep getting banned for sharing my opinions.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989491 - 10/17/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I made a silly argument about data changing because Ice9 demands math from statistics which is constantly changing and being evaluated. Such as, suicides, traffic deaths, heart disease, overdoses, etc, all of which have seen rises in reported cases.
There is no excess mortality in the US due to injury, which is a category that includes suicide, car accidents and overdoses.
From what I’ve seen in individual state data, suicides are down in 2020, in some cases significantly.
I understand you have a theory about what kinds of problems are being caused by the pandemic and lockdowns, but we’re far enough into this and the data does not support those theories.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26989495 - 10/17/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: From what I’ve seen in individual state data, suicides are down in 2020, in some cases significantly.
Until you start providing links to back up your claims, I'm not going to believe a single word you say.
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