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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26906489 - 08/29/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: I know people like to post videos but it’s a big ask to get people to spend 20 minutes watching something.
I know, right?
What does that say about my attention span that I am able to? Did you watch it?
He tows your line, I don't know why you wouldn't listen to him.
I understand many of you simply want me to be wrong and can not sit with a thought that I might actually be right about HCQ.
Seems no matter how much evident will release, no matter what source, it will be wrong because it's not about HCQ, it's about making HamHead be wrong all the time.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26906589 - 08/29/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You seem to be the only one in here that is obsessed with not "being wrong", HamHead. Speaking personally, my motivation for learning and thinking about COVID treatments is that I care about helping sick people get well. Doing so effectively just so happens to involve engaging in a combination of evidence seeking and critical thinking. I have watched many hours worth of YouTube videos made by real doctors treating COVID, many of which you can find in the first 300 pages of the COVID thread you made. I have also read dozens of journal articles containing observational treatment studies, medical case studies, and clinical trials. No amount of evidence or reason that fails to substantiate whatever you believe is enough, though. Your "attention span" is irrelevant because you clearly lack the ability to comprehend the material being discussed. Frequently you will copy and paste text that contradicts the claim you are making in the very first paragraph- once, even in the very first sentence. For crying out loud: You copied and pasted the definition of epidemiology based on the apparent assumption that koods did not know what an one was, in doing so making it obvious that YOU didnt understand what an epidemiologist was, EVEN AFTER SUPPOSEDLY READING THE DEFINITION. EVERYONE knew you goofed. Whenever your goofs become obvious, you have one tactic: you ignore them and shift the direction of the argument to something else. That isnt the way that people who care about the truth or the well being of other people behave. People who care about those things own up to their goofs and learn from them.
I would actually love to know the operative psychological mechanism behind your profound ability for selective attention: are your eyes and ears literally just skimming material until you think you have found a portion of it that substantiates the point you want to make, or are you forgetting everything you read that doesn't do so immediately after reading/hearing it? The world may never know.
If you actually care about affecting changes in medical treatment in a way you believe is positive, and you arent inclined to actually go to school and then work with patients, then at the very least, go find a medical discussion forum on which to proliferate your ideas. Continually instigating arguments about medical care on this forum creates the impression that what you actually care about is winning arguments and looking like "the guy with the esoteric knowledge that 'THEY' want to hide from you". You probably thought this forum provided you with the perfect opportunity to be "that guy"- after all, we are all relatively open minded people, right? What you found instead clearly rattled you. I suspect that you didnt anticipate that the presence of people who actually work in medical and related fields and gather evidence and think critically in their everyday lives would present such a challenge to your ability to "be that guy" to everyone else, and as a result you expended an incredible amount of effort trying to save face and at the very least "be that guy" in your own mind.
There are better ways to feel a sense of self worth than playing the role of "that guy". I sincerely hope you are able to discover one of them.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
#26906650 - 08/29/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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hamhead is into Qanon now. They’re super into HCQ.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26906671 - 08/29/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You seem to be the only one in here that is obsessed with not "being wrong",
Says someone who will not address liver toxicity in Remdesivir treatment.
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HamHead. Speaking personally, my motivation for learning and thinking about COVID treatments is that I care about helping sick people get well. Doing so effectively just so happens to involve engaging in a combination of evidence seeking and critical thinking. I have watched many hours worth of YouTube videos made by real doctors treating COVID, many of which you can find in the first 300 pages of the COVID thread you made. I have also read dozens of journal articles containing observational treatment studies, medical case studies, and clinical trials.
Yet, those videos and articles with real doctors who have also treated Covid19 effectively with HCQ are being highly criticized? What makes those doctors you listen to right and these I listen to wrong?
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No amount of evidence or reason that fails to substantiate whatever you believe is enough, though. Your "attention span" is irrelevant because you clearly lack the ability to comprehend the material being discussed.
I can say similar things about you, sir.
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Frequently you will copy and paste text that contradicts the claim you are making in the very first paragraph- once, even in the very first sentence. For crying out loud: You copied and pasted the definition of epidemiology based on the apparent assumption that koods did not know what an one was, in doing so making it obvious that YOU didnt understand what an epidemiologist was, EVEN AFTER SUPPOSEDLY READING THE DEFINITION. EVERYONE knew you goofed.
So, I'm not allowed to clarify definitions of words? And what a big goof up, huh, being unclear on a definition.
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Whenever your goofs become obvious, you have one tactic: you ignore them and shift the direction of the argument to something else. That isnt the way that people who care about the truth or the well being of other people behave. People who care about those things own up to their goofs and learn from them.
Is there misdirection? I'm fairly straightforward these days after gathering more information. It's other people who are redirecting. koods
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I would actually love to know the operative psychological mechanism behind your profound ability for selective attention: are your eyes and ears literally just skimming material until you think you have found a portion of it that substantiates the point you want to make, or are you forgetting everything you read that doesn't do so immediately after reading/hearing it? The world may never know.
I feel a little offended by this, as if you are insulting my intelligence. Condensend much?
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If you actually care about affecting changes in medical treatment in a way you believe is positive, and you arent inclined to actually go to school and then work with patients, then at the very least, go find a medical discussion forum on which to proliferate your ideas. Continually instigating arguments about medical care on this forum creates the impression that what you actually care about is winning arguments and looking like "the guy with the esoteric knowledge that 'THEY' want to hide from you". You probably thought this forum provided you with the perfect opportunity to be "that guy"- after all, we are all relatively open minded people, right? What you found instead clearly rattled you. I suspect that you didnt anticipate that the presence of people who actually work in medical and related fields and gather evidence and think critically in their everyday lives would present such a challenge to your ability to "be that guy" to everyone else, and as a result you expended an incredible amount of effort trying to save face and at the very least "be that guy" in your own mind.
Please don't talk about being 'that guy'. I'm a teapot.
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There are better ways to feel a sense of self worth than playing the role of "that guy". I sincerely hope you are able to discover one of them.
Take care.
Yes. I manage a cure room for a multi-million dollar cannabis company and I am responsible for drying and QC of hundreds of pounds of cannabis. This gives me a great sense of purpose. Especially when those around me have obvious respect for what I do and how hard I work.
Cannabis is arguably a medicine, so I feel I am helping people in providing them with a medicine.
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koods said: hamhead is into Qanon now. They’re super into HCQ.
Again, little to contribute and redirecting. Obvious troll.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26906802 - 08/29/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: This is one of many reasons why hamheads whole argument about "if they are sick enough to be hospitalized then they are too sick to benefit from hcq" makes no sense- there is no objective measure of who is "sick enough to be hospitalized". Who gets hospitalized totally depends on how many beds and resources there are to go around and the evolving understanding of related complications related to covid. Patients who are not hospitalized would also benefit from heparin and tpa but we dont give it outpatient for the same reason we would never give hcq outpatient to covid patients, people on those meds need to be monitored for complications of the meds themselves and have their dosages continually readjusted and be somewhere where antidotes are readily available and such
Here we go on HCQ safty again. I'll go and pull up how people are safely using HCQ in outpatient settings for everyone to see.
Outpatient trials are happening. Safely.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04466540
I don't want to pick anything so who ever is interested, go ahead and click and read.
I don't see any monitoring. No dose adjustments. No antidotes mentioned.
Still no mention of Remdesivir and liver toxicity.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26907192 - 08/30/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is (at least) a stronger trial design being randomized, placebo controlled and double blind.
The concerns I would have are that it has a funky primary outcome measure (hospitalization) and that its enrolling patients with "probable or suspected" COVID.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad]
#26907215 - 08/30/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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badchad said: That is (at least) a stronger trial design being randomized, placebo controlled and double blind.
The concerns I would have are that it has a funky primary outcome measure (hospitalization) and that its enrolling patients with "probable or suspected" COVID.
Yes, early treatment with those "probable or suspected" cases.
They are looking for prophylactics to keep people out of hospitals. Perhaps this may be a reason to have an outcome be hospitalization. Treatments are increased when admitted.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26907247 - 08/30/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right. I'm not against that outcome measure (hospitalization) per se. However, that sounds like a relatively severe outcome. For example, there is a lot of room between "sick" and "hospitalized."
The prophylactic approach is challenging, relatively speaking there are few drugs provided to people prophylactically. Vaccines being a notable exception.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad]
#26907272 - 08/30/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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badchad said: Right. I'm not against that outcome measure (hospitalization) per se. However, that sounds like a relatively severe outcome. For example, there is a lot of room between "sick" and "hospitalized."
The prophylactic approach is challenging, relatively speaking there are few drugs provided to people prophylactically. Vaccines being a notable exception.
Yes. Looking again, it is the only primary outcome. It looks like this particular trial is aimed and designed to determine if HCQ is able to keep more people from being admitted.
Challenging for sure. It is difficult to control what else people do in outpatient settings. What foods are eaten, other supplements or Rx drugs are taken, etc. I also feel that this is a good safety trial, displaying HCQ safety in outpatients.
It is also to be said that there are few drugs to treat a viral infection once past a threshold of infection. If HCQ is able to keep people from becoming so ill as to be admitted, other, more expensive treatment can be avoided as well as any overload on a healthcare system.
Also, HCQ is super cheap and widely available.
Outcomes TBD.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: badchad] 1
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badchad said: Right. I'm not against that outcome measure (hospitalization) per se. However, that sounds like a relatively severe outcome. For example, there is a lot of room between "sick" and "hospitalized."
The prophylactic approach is challenging, relatively speaking there are few drugs provided to people prophylactically. Vaccines being a notable exception.
It’s also not really justified when transmission isn’t widespread. You need to get almost full compliance as well otherwise you’d need to keep everyone on the drug long term
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26912671 - 09/01/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022073620305288
"Results Of the 109 patients included in the study, the mean age was 57.3 ± 14.4 years and 48 (44%) were male. Mean baseline PR interval was 158.47 ± 25.10 ms, QRS duration was 94.00 ± 20.55 ms, QTc interval was 435.28 ± 32.78 ms, 415.67 ± 28.51, 412.07 ± 25.65 according to Bazett's, Fridericia's and Framingham Heart Study formulas respectively. ∆PR was −2.94 ± 19.93 ms (p = .55), ∆QRS duration was 5.18 ± 8.94 ms (p = .03). ∆QTc interval was 6.64 ± 9.60 ms (p = .5), 10.67 ± 9.9 ms (p = .19), 14.14 ± 9.68 ms (p = .16) according to Bazett's, Fridericia's and Framingham Heart Study formulas respectively. There were no statistically significant differences between QTc intervals. No ventricular tachycardia, ventricular fibrillation or significant conduction delay was seen during follow-up. There was no death or worsening heart function.
Conclusion The 5-day course of HCQ- AZM combination did not lead to clinically significant QT prolongation and other conduction delays compared to baseline ECG in non-ICU COVID19(+) patients."
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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What's your regimen of HCQ ham?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: What's your regimen of HCQ ham?
I don't have one as it is being heavily restricted in US, besides, it's prescription only as well, while other countries it's over the counter.
I'll take HCQ before any coronavirus vaccine.
I don't see why it would be a problem to supply many people with a 7-14 day supply of at least HCQ to keep in case of infection, to be taken at first onset of symptoms. Those who are exposed on a daily basis may be given a daily low dose of 200-400mg as a prophylactic, healthcare workers are a prime example of those who face constant exposure.
HCQ used in malaria is similarly prescribed, as a preventative prophylactic and/or for use as early as possible.
I eat lots of vitamin C on a daily basis, up to 14 grams to keep cell saturation high. It's good stuff, picked up 5kg for around $80, just have to get a capping machine and cap up a few hundred.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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you could just put the vitamin C powder in your drinking water, so you are sipping it constantly through out the whole day, thats what I do with my salt, I figure the constant slow intake is more absorbed then a shitload once or twice a day
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: gopher]
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Yeah, I'm too busy at work to be stopping for drinks and bathroom breaks. I usually load up at night, taking 2 grams when I get home around 4 and take a gram or two every 30-60 minutes, with a meal and kombucha to drink at night. I like capsules as I take microdoses daily in 00 caps. Would be bringing vitamin C caps as well to take mornings and lunches. It's ascorbic acid and a 00 cap holds right at about a gram.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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I was thinking about finding some sodium ascorbate myself, but it seems like a unnecessary cost for me, Eastern White Pine(pinus strobus) is extremely high in Vitamin C and theres a bunch of them in my backyard, I could just brew a tea high in C a couple times a day, I think it also has Vitamin A too, I currently only brew a pine tea a couple times a month though
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: gopher] 1
#26914164 - 09/02/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I make tea with rose seed pods. Loaded with vitamin C
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
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https://taketheredpillpeople.com/news/2020/09/05/the-war-on-hydroxychloroquine-can-be-traced-back-to-gilead-the-drug-maker-looking-to-profit-big-from-remdesivir-2/
Tens of billions of dollars are on the line as Gilead tries to force dangerous Remdesivir down patient’s throats There are tens of billions of dollars on the line if doctors are able to use something as cheap as HCQ and zinc to cure patients. Gilead, the maker of Remdesivir, wants to make sure that doctors use their 5-day coronavirus treatment which costs $3,000 per patient. In comparison, a generic dose of HCQ costs anywhere between $10 and $20.
Studies on Gilead’s remdesivir are abysmal, showing adverse events for 102 (66%) of 155 remdesivir recipients. The adverse events were so horrific for remdesivir patients, that 18 (12%) of the patients had to be taken off the drug. As their drug failed, Gilead went to war with a simple treatment protocol that was working.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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You said HCQ doesn’t work if you’re already sick so. Remdesivir is only used if you’re already in the hospital.
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