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Don't support spousal abuse JSB! Some people just need lobotomies
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It sounds like maybe that guy has said a few things that did come true, unlike hamhead who has been wrong about literally everything.
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morrowasted said: Where do you think these trials you cite have been taking place then
How about out paitents? Like Vladimir Zelenko did.
Oh, and how do you feel about amoxicillin not ever going through double blind placebo trials? You know, THE GOLD STANDARD?
Also, HCQ is given to pregnant women. I can't see why anyone whould have to go through screening for this 50 year old drug with lots of info on proper dosages.
And it's a 5 day protocol, no need to dispense HCQ for a year. That's silly.
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morrowasted said: When we show exactly why what youre saying is wrong, as with the cancer epidemiologist, you never even cop to it. You just move on to the next claim you think you have a defense for
The confirmation bias I've seen in some people since the start of this thing is incredible. There's a guy in my gym - dare I say it - even more extreme than Hammybaby, who keeps saying 'everything I said is coming true'.
The funny thing is how he NEVER mentions all the things he's said which don't happen.
I've given up calling him out on it in favour of just staying away from him and his incredibly boring conversation.
It's the opinion of many in the (gym) community that he badly needs a woman. It seems to be a common theme amongst those that preach, IMO.
Biases are on both sides, clearly.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
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koods said: It sounds like maybe that guy has said a few things that did come true, unlike hamhead who has been wrong about literally everything.
Everything? Like how cases didn't rise above 10k in Florida after I proposed a $1 bet?
And we'll see about HCQ. I'm happy to see professionals come out in support of early treatment.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897461 - 08/24/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.thecollegefix.com/yales-dean-of-public-health-defends-right-to-argue-hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives/
Yale’s dean of public health defends right to argue hydroxychloroquine could save lives
‘I have championed maintaining open academic discourse, including what some may view as unpopular voices,’ dean says
The dean of Yale’s public health department, Dr. Sten Vermund, has come out in defense of his colleague’s right to explore and promote hydroxychloroquine as a viable treatment for coronavirus.
Yale epidemiologist and public health professor Dr. Harvey Risch has come under heavy fire recently for arguing that hydroxychloroquine, if used to treat coronavirus, could save up to 100,000 lives.
In a statement published Wednesday by Vermund, dean of the Yale School of Public Health within the Ivy League university’s School of Medicine, he said he champions “maintaining open academic discourse, including what some may view as unpopular voices. The tradition of academia is that faculty may do research, interpret their work, and disseminate their findings.”
The dean flagged Risch’s article in May in the American Journal of Epidemiology that cites evidence to support Risch’s belief that hydroxychloroquine is good to “use for out-patient infection with SARS-CoV-2.”
Vermund noted that if “persons disagree with Dr. Risch’s review of the literature, it would be advisable to disseminate the alternative scientific interpretations, perhaps through letters or other publications with alternative viewpoints to the American Journal of Epidemiology, Newsweek, or other outlets.”
“My role as Dean is not to suppress the work of the faculty, but rather, to support the academic freedom of our faculty, whether it is in the mainstream of thinking or is contrarian,” Vermund stated.
The controversy began after Risch appeared on Fox News’ Ingraham Angle where he told host Laura Ingraham that doctors are being unfairly targeted by state medical boards for using the anti-malarial drug to treat patients with coronavirus.
Risch told Ingraham that releasing the stockpile of hydroxychloroquine could save “75,000 to 100,000 lives.”
He said if President Donald Trump and the FDA allowed broader use of hydroxychloroquine that the results would be “game-changing.”
MORE: Experts warn: Don’t berate or punish students for coronavirus violations
All the discussions and planning about how to move forward with reopening plans in the fall and into 2021 could be completely changed with the use of hydroxychloroquine, Risch said during the July 21 Fox News interview.
“There is prevention and treatment that works and that’s available and safe…but no one wants to hear it,” he said.
He also advocated that some front-line healthcare workers take the drug as a prophylactic against the disease, a policy that has been implemented in India.
In a July 23 column in Newsweek, Risch also defended his support for the drug and blasted the politicization of its use.
He wrote: “Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk.”
“I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit,” Risch wrote.
Furthermore, since Risch first published an article on the drug’s use on May 27, “seven more studies have demonstrated similar benefit.”
The use of hydroxychloroquine has been controversial mostly because President Trump has touted its benefits.
More recently, a video from a group calling itself “American’s Frontline Doctors” has been removed from Twitter and Youtube. The video consisted of doctors touting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus.
A study in the Lancet originally found that hydroxychloroquine was not effective and could even cause death. That study led the World Health Organization to halt trials of the drug’s use for treating coronavirus. However, that study has since been retracted due to problems verifying the data.
The drug has been approved for use in treating malaria and arthritis for over 60 years. The FDA has not approved hydroxychloroquine for its “off label” use to treat COVID-19.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897463 - 08/24/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Qanon has broken your mind
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26897492 - 08/24/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://thedailyreformer.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-widely-used-around-the-globe/
Switzerland, in fact, provides strong proof that HCQ is effective. Simply put, when the flawed study that WHO relied upon to recommend the suspension of HCQ use, Switzerland followed that advice and suspended HCQ use. When that flawed Lancet reported study was withdrawn as false, Switzerland resumed HCQ use. During the few weeks when HCQ was not used, the death rate shot up. When HCQ use resumed, the death rate came down again. This is strong proof that the drug works.
 
Switzerland 2020 population is estimated at 8,654,622 people at mid year according to UN data.
Germany, as well, is reported to have made extensive use of HCQ in the very early stages of the pandemic. This might account for its relatively low COVID death rate. The fact that the huge German pharmaceutical company Bayer produces HCQ in Germany made German use easier. In fact, Bayer donated a million doses of HCQ to the United States during the height of the pandemic.
 
The current population of Germany is 83,820,751 as of Thursday, August 20, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.; Germany 2020 population is estimated at 83,783,942 people at mid year according to UN data.;
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You have had more of an influence on my push for HCQ than Q.
My hat is off. You are a great troll koods.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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yall are just giving money to china every time you mention the name of that drug
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cannabinated said: yall are just giving money to china every time you mention the name of that drug
India also uses HCQ extensively. This is made easier by the fact that much of the world’s supply of the drug comes from India, and as a result its use there is particularly inexpensive. The belief is that the early use of HCQ cuts the mortality rate in half. Statistics from India appear to bear that out. Police, health-care workers and frontline workers are given HCQ as a prophylactic, and the results there are very encouraging.

The current population of India is 1,381,863,561 as of Friday, August 21, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.; India 2020 population is estimated at 1,380,004,385 people at mid year according to UN data.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897521 - 08/24/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26897093#26897093
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Wisconsin Population 2020 . 5,851,750

24th.
koods, will you admit you are wrong?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897524 - 08/24/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So how much is big Hydroxychloroquine paying you to be their marketing shill?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: mndfreeze]
#26897528 - 08/24/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: So how much is big Hydroxychloroquine paying you to be their marketing shill?
HCQ saves lives.
No shillings necessary.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897569 - 08/24/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So do seatbelts and heart transplants but god damn you are stuck on selling this drug.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: mndfreeze]
#26897580 - 08/24/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: So do seatbelts and heart transplants but god damn you are stuck on selling this drug.
That's great! Why do you think US isn't widely using HCQ then?
I mean, there's no patent because it's over 50 years old and widely available, so why not, if other countries are showing success?
Honestly?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26897599 - 08/24/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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HamHead said: [...] Read the sources directly:[...] While double-blind, randomized trials have not yet been published on HCQ’s effectiveness against the virus that causes Covid-19, a statistically significant amount of patients have recovered quickly using a combination of the drug (harvested from the bark of the cinchona tree for centuries) and the antibiotic Z-Pack plus zinc. [...]
Please note, neither chloroquine nor hydroxychloroquine have ever been harvested from the bark of any tree, nor will they ever be. This is a worrying indicator about the quality of information you have been relying on, as well as your level of comprehension in these matters.
Other, far less toxic zinc ionophores exist, many of them very reasonably priced. Perhaps it would be worth you looking into some of those for comparison, just to be sure?
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HamHead said: [...] Read the sources directly:[...] While double-blind, randomized trials have not yet been published on HCQ’s effectiveness against the virus that causes Covid-19, a statistically significant amount of patients have recovered quickly using a combination of the drug (harvested from the bark of the cinchona tree for centuries) and the antibiotic Z-Pack plus zinc. [...]
Please note, neither chloroquine nor hydroxychloroquine have ever been harvested from the bark of any tree, nor will they ever be. This is a worrying indicator about the quality of information you have been relying on, as well as your level of comprehension in these matters.
Other, far less toxic zinc ionophores exist, many of them very reasonably priced. Perhaps it would be worth you looking into some of those for comparison, just to be sure?
You got it! I like drugs.
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-406/cinchona
Overview Information Cinchona is a tree. People use the bark to make medicine.
CINCHONA OTHER NAME(S): Arbol de la Quina, Bois aux Fièvres, Calisaya Bark... Show More Read Reviews (8) Overview Overview Information Cinchona is a tree. People use the bark to make medicine.
Cinchona is used for increasing appetite; promoting the release of digestive juices; and treating bloating, fullness, and other stomach problems. It is also used for blood vessel disorders including hemorrhoids, varicose veins, and leg cramps. Some people use cinchona for mild influenza, swine flu, the common cold, malaria, and fever. Other uses are for cancer, mouth and throat diseases, enlarged spleen, and muscle cramps.
Cinchona is used in eye lotions to numb pain, kill germs, and as an astringent. Cinchona extract is also applied to the skin for hemorrhoids, ulcers, stimulating hair growth, and managing varicose veins.
In foods, cinchona is used as a bitter flavoring in tonic water and alcoholic beverages.
How does it work? Cinchona bark contains quinine, which is a medicine used to treat malaria. It also contains quinidine which is a medicine used to treat heart palpitations (arrhythmias).
https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/cinchonabark
The efficacy of indigenous harvesting methods suggests that the transfer of cinchona culture by the Dutch and English to plantations located in Southeast Asia occurred because of a desire to control the trade, and not because Native American practices caused a decline in cinchona growth. Without a large, steady supply of quinine, British and Dutch imperialism in India and Africa might have failed without the antimalarial drug, vast numbers of British and Dutch administrators, military personnel and merchants in these lands would have been stricken and possibly killed by the disease. The widespread use of cinchona came about because of the colonizing efforts of Europeans, and the drug, in turn, aided Europe in expanding its colonization even further.16
Perspective Open Access Published: 08 July 2020 Is hydroxychloroquine beneficial for COVID-19 patients? Xing Li, Ying Wang, […]Erwei Sun Cell Death & Disease volume 11, Article number: 512 (2020) Cite this article
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Abstract The outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was first reported in December 2019. As similar cases rapidly emerged around the world1,2,3, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a public health emergency of international concern on January 30, 2020 and pronounced the rapidly spreading coronavirus outbreak as a pandemic on March 11, 20204. The virus has reached almost all countries of the globe. As of June 3, 2020, the accumulated confirmed cases reached 6,479,405 with more than 383,013 deaths worldwide. The urgent and emergency care of COVID-19 patients calls for effective drugs, in addition to the beneficial effects of remdesivir5, to control the disease and halt the pandemic.
Download PDF US FDA approved hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and chloroquine (CQ) for COVID-19 as an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) with cautions issued soon after On March 28, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an EUA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and used for hospitalized COVID-19 patients. In fact, these two drugs have been used for decades for the therapy and control of malaria and autoimmune diseases.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41419-020-2721-8
In Peru, the bark extracts of cinchona tree was used to treat malaria and babesiosis started almost 400 years ago. About 200 years ago quinine was found to be the key anti-malaria compound in the bark. The analog of quinine, CQ was made in 1934 and formally introduced into clinical practice in the United States in 1947 for the prophylactic treatment of malaria. In addition, CQ was also used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, and lupus erythematosus. A safer derivative HCQ was made in 1955. In 2017, there were more than five million prescriptions of HCQ in the United States, indicating that in the absence of other drug interactions or special health conditions, HCQ should be a relatively safe drug.
Another zinc ionophore, used in Japan, patent pending.
https://www.drzinx.com/
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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Oh, and how do you feel about amoxicillin not ever going through double blind placebo trials? You know, THE GOLD STANDARD?
Also, HCQ is given to pregnant women. I can't see why anyone whould have to go through screening for this 50 year old drug with lots of info on proper dosages
a lot of meds were grandfathered in. They Became popular before that was the standard. By the time that became the standard the effects were already well established
Just because something isnt teratogenic doeant mean it is safe for everyone. Screening for heart conditions is absolutely necessary for hcq. A lot of ppl dont know they have one. Practitioners can be held liable for malpractice if patients dtart dying bc of the meds prescribed.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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mndfreeze said: So do seatbelts and heart transplants but god damn you are stuck on selling this drug.
That's great! Why do you think US isn't widely using HCQ then?
I mean, there's no patent because it's over 50 years old and widely available, so why not, if other countries are showing success?
Honestly?
We are not using it to treat covid bc it didnt work very well if at all and killed some people, and we are not using it for prophylaxis for the reasons i have already explained.
We have better drugs. You are being pointlessly stubborn.
Nobody is gonna be laughing at you if you just say "you know what guys I think I might have been wrong about this". In fact, people would respect you a lot more.
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#26897671 - 08/24/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And it's a 5 day protocol, no need to dispense HCQ for a year. That's silly.
how in the fuck is a 5 day protocol gonna help people PROPHYLACTICALLY??
"By the time they are hospitalized it is too late."
A lot of these people dont even know they are sick and just end up having a stroke or something and thats how they land in the hospital.
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