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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
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Lol whatd he do to earn that?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/stacey-lennox/2020/08/13/how-many-lives-will-the-health-experts-bizarre-hcq-disinformation-campaign-cost-n786685
Dr. Harvey Risch is a Yale epidemiologist with over 7,000 results on Google Scholar.
"The pushback has been furious. Dr. Anthony Fauci has implied that I am incompetent, notwithstanding my hundreds of highly regarded, methodologically relevant publications in peer-reviewed scientific literature. A group of my Yale colleagues has publicly intimated that I am a zealot who is perpetrating a dangerous hoax and conspiracy theory. I have been attacked in news articles by journalists who, ignorant of the full picture, have spun hit pieces from cherry-picked sources.
These personal attacks are a dangerous distraction from the real issue of hydroxychloroquine’s effectiveness, which is solidly grounded in both substantial evidence and appropriate medical decision-making logic. Much of the evidence is presented in my articles."
"In fact, the FDA has no information about adverse events in early outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine. The only available systematic information about adverse events among outpatients is discussed in my article in the American Journal of Epidemiology, where I show that hydroxychloroquine has been extremely safe in more than a million users.
It is a serious and unconscionable mistake that the FDA has used inpatient data to block emergency use petitions for outpatient use. Further, already back in March, the FDA approved the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for hospitalized patients, for whom it is demonstrably less effective than for outpatients. If hydroxychloroquine satisfied the FDA criteria for emergency inpatient use in March, it should more than satisfy those criteria now for outpatient use, where the evidence is much stronger."
"I reiterate: If doctors, including any of my Yale colleagues, tell you that scientific data show that hydroxychloroquine does not work in outpatients, they are revealing that they can’t tell the difference between low-risk patients who are not generally treated and high-risk patients who need to be treated as quickly as possible. Doctors who do not understand this difference should not be treating COVID-19 patients."
"Whatever the reason for the FDA’s stonewalling on hydroxychloroquine, this much is certain: Americans are dying unnecessarily, the economy is in disarray, and the threads that bind our society together have frayed. I am speaking out, but where is everyone else? Where are our elected officials, including those who are themselves physicians? Some, including Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona, have been discussing evidence of the drug’s effectiveness, but where are the rest?
This issue should not be a partisan one. If our elected officials are not willing to pry open the FDA, we must elect new officials. Why are we silent? The time to speak is now."
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26885757 - 08/17/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude is a cancer epidemiologist.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
#26885795 - 08/17/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Dude is a cancer epidemiologist.
You think Forbes approves his qualifications?
I mean, we can just say everybody is wrong.
That makes things so much easier.
https://www.back2facts.com/critiques/2020/8/14/censored-success-in-the-slums-of-mumbai
Read the sources directly: Hydroxychloroquine success in South Mumbai slums April 2020, Times of India Government to provide HCQ in slums June 2020, Tribune India Police force using HCQ as prevention Hindustani Times Trump-backed drug to be tested on thousands June 2020, Hindustani Times Cases falling in earlier hot spots July 2020 WHO says Covid can be controlled, cites Mumbai’s Dharavi as example August 2020 Northern Mumbai slums now adopting model of Dharavi and Worli
While double-blind, randomized trials have not yet been published on HCQ’s effectiveness against the virus that causes Covid-19, a statistically significant amount of patients have recovered quickly using a combination of the drug (harvested from the bark of the cinchona tree for centuries) and the antibiotic Z-Pack plus zinc. Further, several studies showing no benefit or a harmful cardiac event have been recently shown to be using an unnecessarily high dosage as well as being administered in a hospital setting — when all advocates for the drug say it’s too late.
All epidemiologists and board-certified doctors who have spoken out advocating for early treatment in an outpatient setting before the virus enters the cells, formerly well-respected in their fields, have been silenced, maligned, smeared and fired from their jobs. Why is this?
Dr. Harvey Risch, a prominent cancer researcher as well as head epidemiologist at Yale University, examined all of the studies to date involving HCQ and offered a full-throated advocacy for using HCQ early and in a moderate dosage, to save 80,000 lives he predicts will be lost by the most at-risk if the drug is not adopted as standard of care.
Yet world health officials, media and social media faithful have participated in censoring any benefit of this drug, even though Risch showed via an Oxford University study that 47 out of 100,000 patients experienced a cardiac event due to HCQ, and 9 out of 100,000 died. That’s a percentage of .47 percent who had arrythmia without dying, and .009 percent of all who took the drug and experienced a fatal event.
It seems odd that all those laughing at, clapping back at or shouting down HCQ with zinc are concerned about risk of fatal heart attack associated with the therapy while throwing up their hands about the thousands of vulnerable patients who could be taking the therapy early on and in a safe dosage. It simply defies logic, and frankly, is criminal. At the very least, the censorship and opposition, while indubitably foolhardy, is evidence of a deep ignorance on the part of laymen throughout the world, as well as an undeserved trust in the loudest, officially sanctioned scientists. We trust these “scientists” at our peril.
Read Dr. Risch’s latest op-ed, in the Washington Examiner, published Wednesday, August 12.
Even if you scoff at this simple therapy as being the Trump drug, and therefore a joke, you owe it to yourself to learn the details of what works and what doesn’t, as well as the retractions that have been conducted on the studies showing harm or no benefit. Lancet retraction (note: The Lancet was careful to say they couldn’t verify their data. But the flaws in the negative studies go beyond non-verification. They are setting the drug up to fail). You have to dig deep to get Veterans Administration chief Robert Wilkie’s full statement on the VA Hospital study (again, a records review of hospitalized patients administered the drug when it was too late), but here it is: VA chief Wilkie’s statement on HCQ study
Politicization of use of hydroxychloroquine continues internationally. In Brazil, the government is investigating the study using a harsher form of the drug in high dosages at a late stage, but journalists are characterizing this investigation as an “attack on science.” See Science Mag, June 22: It’s a nightmare: How Brazilian scientists became ensnared in chloroquine politics
The CDC’s advisory regarding travel to malaria-prone countries is still up: Who can take hydroxychloroquine? Adults and children of all ages
Meanwhile, people are dying needlessly of Covid in the United States and in our headquarter city of Los Angeles; our children are not in school; our economy is gasping for air; and the canonical liturgy of approved science continues to hold its iron grip on our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
We are asking you to please share this article with everyone you know. The science is on the side of this therapy. The joking and the snickering is not. It’s political. And it will one day be viewed with deep regret.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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https://aapsonline.org/delegate-larock-introduces-resolution-in-support-of-early-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-in-virginia-state-assembly/
"Delegate LaRock Introduces Resolution in Support of Early Use of Hydroxychloroquine in Virginia State Assembly
Offered August 18, 2020. Prefiled August 14, 2020
Encouraging that hydroxychloroquine should be made available for treating COVID-19.
Patrons– LaRock, Cole, M.L. and Walker
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 5002
WHEREAS, a petition by the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) supporting Henry Ford Health System’s request to the FDA to allow outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine attracted 8,568 signatures by August 8, 2020; and
WHEREAS, dozens of additional widely available and highly credible studies and data from around the world pertaining to the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 further demonstrate the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine as preventive or early treatment for the disease; and
WHEREAS, on July 28, 2020, Yale School of Public Health epidemiology professor Harvey Risch, M.D., stated on national television that “75,000 to 100,000 lives will be saved” if the stockpile of hydroxychloroquine being wrongly withheld was released, as sought by AAPS; and
WHEREAS, the Virginia General Assembly is committed to improving the health and well-being of people and businesses throughout the Commonwealth; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED by the House of Delegates, the Senate concurring, That the General Assembly encourage that hydroxychloroquine should be made available for treating COVID-19 in the Commonwealth, both prophylactically and as therapy immediately after confirmed or suspected exposure to COVID-19, by physicians providing patients with informed consent concerning the particular regime of hydroxychloroquine to be prescribed; and, be it
RESOLVED FURTHER, That the Clerk of the House of Delegates transmit a copy of this resolution to the Virginia Department of Health, requesting that the agency further disseminate copies of this resolution to their respective constituents so that they may be apprised of the sense of the General Assembly of Virginia in this matter."
http://www.businessnorth.com/news_from_other_media/walz-quietly-reverses-course-on-hydroxychloroquine/article_784f9ac4-e165-11ea-8734-4734f9aa298f.html
"Walz quietly reverses course on hydroxychloroquine Aug 18, 2020
This past week Minnesota became the second state to reject regulations that effectively ban the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine for use by COVID-19 patients. The reversal by Gov. Tim Walz clears the way for doctors to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, a drug commonly used to treat malaria and other conditions but one the FDA has declined to recommend for COVID-19 treatment.
Hydroxychloroquine might be politically controversial, but that hasn’t stopped some of its critics from taking advantage of the drug. In a May interview, former presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar admitted her husband was successfully treated with hydroxychloroquine, a medication she had mocked on Twitter. REAL CLEAR POLITICS"
https://aapsonline.org/hcqsuit/
August 14, 2020 AAPS Sues the FDA to End Its Arbitrary Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine
https://m.theepochtimes.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-widely-used-around-the-globe_3457743.html
Hydroxychloroquine Is Widely Used Around the Globe August 18, 2020 19:27, Last Updated: August 19, 2020 19:21
"Death rates in countries that rely on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the treatment of COVID-19 appear to be dramatically lower than death rates in countries that discourage the use of the drug.
A new study claims that the death rate in the countries that used HCQ early on was 77 percent lower than in countries where the drug was not used (c19study.com).
The startling thing about this finding—if accurate—is that the countries where HCQ has been extensively used are poor in relation to the countries that could afford to adopt the “lockdown” model. Those poorer countries cannot afford the massive amounts of money spent by lockdown countries, where businesses were shut down and trillions were then spent compensating workers and business owners.
The HCQ countries are also unable to afford the expensive health-care systems that rich countries are lucky to have. If the findings of this study are borne out it will be a massive indictment not only of all of the HCQ naysayers, but of the advocates of the lockdown model."
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
#26893551 - 08/22/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.
Learn the difference between tier 1,2 journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA. Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.
"CONCLUSIONS Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."

A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014/suppl_file/nejmoa2019014_data-sharing.pdf
Want to bet that patients where receiving supplemental nutrition, including zinc at the time of treatment when the full article with complete protocol comes out?
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: Ice9]
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Ice9 said: For the morons in the groups perusal here is an https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014NEJM study published July 23.
Learn the difference between tier 1,2 journals and pay to play bullshit with bad science. If that's too much, stick to NEJM, Nature, Science, Lancet, and JAMA. Not that they don't fuck up (looking at you lancet) but they offer retractions and explanations of retractions.
"CONCLUSIONS Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."

A key is zinc. Which this trial left out.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014/suppl_file/nejmoa2019014_data-sharing.pdf
Want to bet that patients where receiving supplemental nutrition, including zinc at the time of treatment when the full article with complete protocol comes out?
I'll make a bet it's no more than 50mg per day. We can get into absorption rates if you like.
Also, that link doesn't work for me.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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That dude studies cancer. He has no expertise in pharmacology or infectious disease. There’s a reason doctors train as specialists. An infectious disease expert wouldn’t have any business treating cancer patients, and a cancer specialist shouldn’t be micromanaging how viral infections are treated.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: koods]
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koods said: That dude studies cancer. He has no expertise in pharmacology or infectious disease. There’s a reason doctors train as specialists. An infectious disease expert wouldn’t have any business treating cancer patients, and a cancer specialist shouldn’t be micromanaging how viral infections are treated.
https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/harvey_risch/
Harvey Risch, MD, PhD Professor of Epidemiology (Chronic Diseases)
Harvey Risch is Professor of Epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine. Dr. Risch received his MD degree from the University of California San Diego and PhD from the University of Chicago. After serving as a postdoctoral fellow in epidemiology at the University of Washington, Dr. Risch was a faculty member in epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Toronto before coming to Yale. Dr. Risch's research interests are in the areas of cancer etiology, prevention and early diagnosis, and in epidemiologic methods. He is especially interested in the effects of reproductive factors, diet, genetic predisposition, histopathologic factors, occupational/environmental/medication exposures, infection and immune functioning in cancer etiology. His major research projects have included studies of ovarian cancer, pancreas cancer, lung cancer, bladder cancer, esophageal and stomach cancer, and of cancers related to usage of oral contraceptives and noncontraceptive estrogens. Dr. Risch is Associate Editor of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Editor of the International Journal of Cancer, and Member of the Board of Editors, the American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Risch is an author of more than 325 original research publications in the medical literature, has an h-index of 88, and is a Member of the Connecticut Academy of Sciences and Engineering.
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Edit. So there's less confusion.
ep·i·de·mi·ol·o·gy /ˌepəˌdēmēˈäləjē/ Learn to pronounce noun the branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health. Definitions from Oxford Languages
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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The epidemiology of chronic disease. Not infectious disease. Specifically cancer. It literally says so in what you copy and pasted. Repeatedly.
You can study the epidemiology of any disease. Diabetes. Asthma. Chrons. Alzheimers. Depression. It isnt just infectious disease.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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Btw hamhead the patients getting hcq in the beginning here were receiving 220mg of zinc iirc
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: Btw hamhead the patients getting hcq in the beginning here were receiving 220mg of zinc iirc
Link?
So, at what stage of infection were those people? If they're in a hospital, it's too late.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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No I mean we were giving that much to our patients here if they were getting hcq. It wasnt part of a clinical trial, they were just trying it. That only lasted about 4 weeks though, we switched to remdesivir and il/tnf inhibitors and started giving betamethasone.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: No I mean we were giving that much to our patients here if they were getting hcq. It wasnt part of a clinical trial, they were just trying it. That only lasted about 4 weeks though, we switched to remdesivir and il/tnf inhibitors and started giving betamethasone.
Again if they're in a hospital, it's too late to treat with HCQ.
Zinc or no.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: HamHead]
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Where do you think these trials you cite have been taking place then
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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Either way even if it did work, the idea of giving millions of people doses of hcq for over a year is absurd. Logistics of producing and distributing hcq aside, everyone would need to be properly assessed for heart conditions, medication interactions.
One of these days I hope you are able to see how stubborn you are being. When we show exactly why what youre saying is wrong, as with the cancer epidemiologist, you never even cop to it. You just move on to the next claim you think you have a defense for
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine sulfate [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: Btw hamhead the patients getting hcq in the beginning here were receiving 220mg of zinc iirc
Twice daily, if I remember the journal article correctly. It's one of the links I posted but it is behind a paywall I believe.
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The confirmation bias I've seen in some people since the start of this thing is incredible. There's a guy in my gym - dare I say it - even more extreme than Hammybaby, who keeps saying 'everything I said is coming true'.
The funny thing is how he NEVER mentions all the things he's said which don't happen.
I've given up calling him out on it in favour of just staying away from him and his incredibly boring conversation.
It's the opinion of many in the (gym) community that he badly needs a woman. It seems to be a common theme amongst those that preach, IMO.
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