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DMT extraction question 1
#26756858 - 06/19/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey sorry I am getting mixed answers on these two time quantities. If I am extracting 100g of MHRB:
1. How long should I wait after I add in the Lye before I add in the Naphtha?
2. How long should I wait after I add in the Naphtha before I try and pull the Naphtha layer off?
Any other important timings I should be aware of (for example, do I need to be "very quick" about covering the Naphtha pulls and putting them into the freezer)? Anything like this?
Thanks!
Edited by NightPuma1 (06/19/20 09:50 AM)
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26757120 - 06/19/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Assuming you're doing a STB Tek?
In my experience the longer you leave it at each stage the better, but there's a common sense limit on that in terms of diminishing returns and just how long you want to keep your jars sitting around.
With the naphtha, add it, give it a good mix for a few minutes and once it separates out, you can siphon off immediately.
You don't need to be super quick with moving the naphtha to the freezer, that could sit in a separate jar for months and probably be fine. What you want to do though is once you've freeze precipitated the DMT, drain off the naptha and get a fan on the jar asap to evaporate any remaining residue.
You can also evap some naptha prior to freezing which should help the DMT crash out of solution more readily.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Proton]
#26757628 - 06/19/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you!
If I may ask, what can I do next to clean up the product even further?
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26757661 - 06/19/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck a DMT extraction. Anything that takes a lot of equipment, effort, time, and money to extract is NOT worth extracting. OP just drink mimosa powder tea or chaliponga tea after taking an MAOI the effects are way better than a five-minute explosion out of the body.
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^ perhaps one of the dumbest things I’ve read. Good job.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Amanita86]
#26758041 - 06/19/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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to hell with your stupid opinion amanita. Oral DMT is far greater than smoked DMT There's nothing stupid about what I said. Smoked DMT = a 5-minute spirit ejaculation Oral DMT = deep profound experience. Maybe YOU'RE just too stupid to recognize wisdom when you hear it.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26758087 - 06/19/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Happinessfeeling said: to hell with your stupid opinion amanita. Oral DMT is far greater than smoked DMT There's nothing stupid about what I said. Smoked DMT = a 5-minute spirit ejaculation Oral DMT = deep profound experience.
Investment in equipment to be able to repeat extractions for the rest of your life is under £100. The same as the street price for a few of grams of DMT. Total time for a simple extraction could be a matter of hours if you aren't concerned about optimising yield. Plus it's pretty interesting/fun for some people so not a waste of time imo.
Once you've got it extracted, you can smoke it, make change, or capsule it and take reliable, known oral doses with an maoi, Nothing wrong with an extraction.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Proton]
#26759081 - 06/20/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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honestly, it really doesn't take much more than mason jars, lye, naphtha, a glass baster, your shredded bark, and a glass casserole dish to put the extracted naphtha in to freeze (with a lid), plus fumaric acid if you want to convert the freebase into a fumarate salt. and some gloves of course, cause you're using lye. not fun stuff to get on your skin.
after the lye step, i'd wait until the lye has cooled down before adding the naphtha though. naphtha has a low boiling point, well below water, and adding lye to water (always lye to water, NEVER water to lye!) will cause the water to heat up dramatically, making it not quite boiling hot. let it cool down to room temp before adding the naphtha in, so it doesn't heat up and start boiling. i'd probably wait a day before doing the first pull of DMT as well - you can do it sooner, but you won't get very much. at least wait until you see the naphtha layer turn pale yellow - that's a sign there's DMT in there.
otherwise, naphtha is flammable, so obviously don't get it near an open flame. :P not even the fumes. the purple layer is a dye, so avoid opening the jars or handling them/shaking them near anything you are worried about getting stained, in case of leakage/dropping a jar. (also it's lye so wash it off immediately if you get it on your skin, or it will start to itch, then irritate, then burn.)
and obviously don't go leaving those jars out in plain sight where people can see them and asking questions.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Psion]
#26759101 - 06/20/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey so I just did a full extraction and I don't think I got anything. I will tell you what I did if you could please help me?
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Psion]
#26759109 - 06/20/20 04:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I followed a tek from this Yale biochemist on YouTube.
Took 100g MHRB, blender, 2.5 cups of water, .5 cups of white vinegar, mixed it all together and put it in the crock pot for 3 hours on low
In HIS video he got 200 ml after doing that but when I did it I got 475 ml.
He said in the video you are supposed to use 80 g of lye per 1 L. Since he wound up with 200 ml he used 16 grams. Since I wound up with 475 ml I used 30 g (actually to have kept the ratio correct I should have used 38 g).
*I should also note that in his video he used liquid NaOH whereas I use solid (I don't know if this changes anything)
I waited about an hour after I added in the 30g Lye, then I added in about a 1/2 shot glass of Naphtha and stirred it up.
Then about an hour later I came with a syringe and I extracted a clear layer off of the top. Then I injected it into a glass dish and put a top on it and put it into the freezer.
I then repeated the Naphtha step 2 more times with two more glass dishes and put them into the freezer as well.
It has been 24 hours and there are no crystals in the bottom of any of these dishes.
Also I still have the jar of MHRB mixed with everything.
What did I do wrong? Please help!
Edited by NightPuma1 (06/20/20 04:14 AM)
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26759125 - 06/20/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Half a shotglass of naphtha? That's like nothing. Better use 150 to 250ml.
I use like a liter of naphtha per pull, but I extract a kilo of bark at once, in a three gallon bin.
No need to use any vinegar nor boil. Just mix bark with water, add lye, add naphtha, let sit and stirr for a day, suck off naphtha, let dry/evape, done.
15min of work spread over a day. 
//edit: Happinessfeeling: Extracted dmt can be taken orally, too. Pure dmt taken orally is far superior to any nasty ayahuasca brew. No taste, no purge. Just pure bliss. Just because you don't have the nuts to use lye or naphtha doesn't mean a dmt extraction is dangerous. It isn't, get over it. Any child can do it. Besides, a mimosa tea is also an extraction. Brewing ayahuasca might take more time and effort than to extract the pure dmt. 
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26759164 - 06/20/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for your response.
But if I may ask - Even if I didn't use enough Naphtha I should still get SOMETHING right?
It looks like no crystals at all and it has been about 30 hours.
Does the fact that I used solid lye instead of liquid NaOH change anything?
Perhaps I did not use enough lye?
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26759166 - 06/20/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If anything I would think that I would get a very small amount of extremely pure product no?
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26759174 - 06/20/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vinegar is acidic and needs to be neutralized by the basic lye. I never use any vinegar (this step is totally unnecessary!) and use more lye than you do.
I use solid naoh, too. 100g per liter. Maybe add another 20g, stirr well, add a good ammount of fresh naphtha and try again.
Don't give up, if there was dmt in your bark then it is still there. Dmt doesn't magically disappear. 
Try to evape your naphtha completly. Just put the opened tray/dish onto a windowsill and let it dry. Might take half a day. Beware of smelly fumes. Open the window. If there's dmt in your solvent, then it will crash out and leave a yellow residue that you can then scrape up once dry.
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Re: DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26759177 - 06/20/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't comment on DMT extraction specifically but I've had a quick look so will give you maybe an independent view point.
- Any extraction from organic matter (especially plant matter) needs that organic matter to be broken down. Powdered would be ideal.
- Don't do things by weight. You're adding an acid (vinegar) and a base (sodium hydroxide/lye) to affect a pH change. So use some pH strips.[In all honesty you don't need to be that careful you only need to shift pH slightly around the pka of DMT. But pH strips are cheap and accurate (as are digital pH meters) and will save a lot of heartache like in this case.]
- A little bit of napha goes a long way, but you need to mix it into the solution not just a little stirring. When you add the base the DMT will come out of solution and float around. You need the napha to physically touch all of it to get it out. Yes an emulation may form (thick bubbles) that's the life of a chemist. Try adding salt (pure salt) or use a vibrator with it (res really). Once the napha settles at the top pull it immediately. It's useless up there.
- DMT looks to be very soluble in napha, so if there isn't much in there and it's warm no crystals will form until the napha is totally evaporated.
- Final clean up, will likely be recrystalisation, use minimal warm napha to dissolve the product and let it evap again.
YMMV but as a chemist this is the modifications I would make to what you describe.
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