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Offlinegopher
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756728 - 06/19/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

and I thought canada sucked cause they limit nicotine to 60mg/ml, Australia seems to suck for things like this


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756738 - 06/19/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can you order everything separate and make your own juice? (Pg, VG, nicotine, flavorings) and if nicotine is the problem could you have a friend possibly have it ordered to them and then relabeled "non nicotine" and sent to you?


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756745 - 06/19/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As much as this fucking sucks Northerner, it's still worth remembering that Australia is the absolute best English speaking country in the world to be living in.

Besides, nicotine addiction is a fucking prison. I know restrictions suck, but so does addiction.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26756786 - 06/19/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

JSB and SS your both right.

Re labeling could work and addictions are a prison. but at least it was a prison of my own making less manipulated by the scumbag industry and politicians. Not to mention like Northerner said above. $100au for 50g of tobacco :what:

I honestly feel much better since switching to vapes. Still not good no doubt, its a highly addictive poison proven to cause system wide damage, but at least I could limit the tar and combustion factor.

I smoke too much weed as it is.....

And don't even get me started on the current cluster fuck of legal weed in Canada and the US ect... yall rollin in concentrates, extracts, isolates and high THC vapes that I can only dream of.

Meanwhile its the same ol shit here and elsewhere. Catch a charge for roach in the ashtray.:nonono:

And now they wanna take my vape or a $222.000 fine
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756837 - 06/19/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Think of the children! That's why.  :facepalm:

Lol

Same bullshit prohibitionist stuff again. Suits fucking suck at real world decisions. Nicotine by itself isn't very addictive at all until mixed with an MAOI, like what occurs naturally in tobacco. It isn't particularly harmful either, otherwise they wouldn't sell it in the supermarket. Yet this is inconvenient science.

The fact is that people vaping aren't dying from it after more than 10 years, even after many of them smoked for many decades before switching to it. It has considerably improved the life expectancy of all of those people. We do know what is in plain vape, 3 ingredients of which all are sold in the supermarket and are well understood by science. It's not some magical shit like they keep saying. There isn't a mystery. It's a big money buttfuck from the man is what this ban is.

Hoorah for being in Aus. Land of the controlled and the home of the timid.

I've lived in Africa, the UK and Europe, I know how good it is here. But I also know what freedom is like. Sure there's a bit of chaos and not everyone wins a participation medal. But that's worth it in my opinion.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756900 - 06/19/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You lived in all those places except the usa and you know what freedom is like? :wonka: ....I'm sorry man I had to hahaha :shroomeryhead:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: spirit_shadow] * 2
    #26756924 - 06/19/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756946 - 06/19/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yes the children

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Prohibition on importing e-cigarettes containing vaporiser nicotine
Why is the government introducing this regulation?
  In the USA, there was a 78% increase in the number of high school children who are vaping over the most recent 12-month period surveyed. Without action, Australian youth will also be at risk :uhoh:




No mention of harm reduction or potential dangers besides some careless parent leaving nicotine out somewhere for a child to be poisoned.

That 78% used to be me stealing my folks smokes and getting friends dodgy uncles to buy a pack from the corner store.

Think of all the potential taxes, revenue for struggling tobacco companies and decades of profits for poor private health care and big pharma.

I'm glad they set things right.... for the children


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756953 - 06/19/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.



Yeah I was just messing with you. I actually am not that fond of the usa and am going to move to the uk as soon as this travel bullshit is lifted :/


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26757139 - 06/19/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Australian Government Conspiracy?

:whattefuck2:

That sucks hardcore. Hate those bans and this one is a big surprise. Im really shocked Aus would do this. What in the Fuck is goin on down under there...


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #26757404 - 06/19/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.




I remember when they made psilocybin mushrooms illegal here, It went from being legal to buy and sell and forage one day, to a possession conviction that could earn seven years in prison the next. Abosolutely nothing equitable about it, just cunts abusinng their power.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26757449 - 06/19/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.



I remember when they made psilocybin mushrooms illegal here, It went from being legal to buy and sell and forage one day, to a possession conviction that could earn seven years in prison the next. Abosolutely nothing equitable about it, just cunts abusinng their power.



God I remember those days. Fresh shrooms in every headshop. That shit was awesome!!!!


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26757470 - 06/19/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I had no need of them. I live on the edge of the countyrside so have always been able to pick them.

I wonder if the legal mushroom retailers got compensation from the government, you know like how the gun ownwers did when they had to hand in the weapons. :strokebeard:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26757502 - 06/19/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just stop nicotine. Its a the lamest drug there is.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26757919 - 06/19/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man thats how it usually goes for me.  Like ill be good not smoking at all maybe using gum and then my brain will trick me into thinking smoking a cigar will be fine.  I usually will be back to cigarettes within days of a cigar.

Currently like im at 85 days with no cigs or any form of nicotine what so ever.  Honestly this time the physical withdrawals didnt really end until after 21 days. 

It was a weird one.  I know they say the physical part only lasts for 3 days but i think its way longer than that in reality. 

I am kind of thankful it was so horrible this time because it makes me scared to fuck around at all even with a cigar like I dont want to go back to that shitty feeling again.

It seems to get harder with each quitting attempt but this is the best run ive had since i was 15.

Good luck every one.

I hope you are all doing alright.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26758000 - 06/19/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.




What. Did I miss the point somehow? I thought that was exactly how it is spread. Virus particles attatched in atomised vapour, from your breath, coughing and sneezing.

Of coarse if someone carrying the virus coughs into my face, or exhales copious quantities of vape mist, even though I ware a mask, my eyes are like an open petri dish.
I am not sure any studies have been done, it is after all a 'novel virus'. Has anyone dripping virus particles blown a vape mist onto a petri dish or liquid culture bottle to see if it's a posible vector?

Until then I would rather not smell, or be cloaked in, a mist exhaled from the depths of other people lungs. :shrug:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gillagin780]
    #26758005 - 06/19/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It was a weird one.  I know they say the physical part only lasts for 3 days but i think its way longer than that in reality. 



I dunno where people get this from; it can take up to three weeks for all traces of nicotine to leave your system.

The trick with the stuff is to be absolute; there's no such thing as 'just one smoke' if you're an ex-smoker.

It really is all or nothing. And why go back and forth through that self-imposed hell?


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26758223 - 06/19/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26758227 - 06/19/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've been vaping now for 6 years. There's nothing cool about it. I don't have big fancy mods and blow out huge clouds blueberries in every bastards face. My little mod on low power with no flavour doesn't offend anyone. Most don't even notice that I use it. I don't stink and I'm not choking and spluttering. After 20 years smoking and not being able to stop it was the best thing that happened to me, was my way out of significant premature death.

There's no smoking in any public space in Australia, and that includes prisons. And vaping is considered smoking. But what the fuck did I do? Because some kid somewhere might get on the internet and buy nicotine liquid from overseas I should lose my rights as if I had been convicted and incarcerated? It's already illegal to sell nicotine liquids in Australia which is doing a great job of reducing availability for young people. There's no way to compare the highly restricted market in Australia with the US. Utter nonsense.

Oh, but there was one child death last year from nicotine liquid poisoning. What about how many kids are gonna fucken die and be impoverished when half a million people start smoking again? The house fires and car accidents and skimping on essentials to buy fucking ridiculously priced ciggies is all part of smoking. Kids die every year from eating batteries and rat bait and just about anything else they can get their hands on. It's tragic, but that doesn't mean we should bubble wrap the whole fucking world and put everything out of reach of adults as well.

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Just stop nicotine. Its a the lamest drug there is.



I believe alcohol is the lamest drug there is. How about we tell everyone they aren't allowed to drink anymore and threaten them with $220,000 fines for subverting that law? What's your vice buddy? I'm sure we can find a way to fuck you as well while we're pointing the prohibitionist stick around. I know you're probably not hurting anyone, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make a criminal out of you. Think of the children.

I have been bringing down my nicotine levels in my vape and would be happy if I felt happy without it. I look to my happiness as an indicator of how happy I am, not my wealth or status or career or anything else. To be honest I'm pretty darn happy. It's the first years of my adult life where I haven't been poly drug using/abusing and sobriety is not an issue for me at all. My relationships and family are just great. Everything is just fine. When the time comes to improve myself further I want it on my terms. Not on some fat and sugar munching, alcohol swilling, hypocrites say so because he got a fucking huge hand out from big tobacco and a massive financial rub on the back from big pharma.

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Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.




What. Did I miss the point somehow? I thought that was exactly how it is spread. Virus particles attatched in atomised vapour, from your breath, coughing and sneezing.

Of coarse if someone carrying the virus coughs into my face, or exhales copious quantities of vape mist, even though I ware a mask, my eyes are like an open petri dish.
I am not sure any studies have been done, it is after all a 'novel virus'. Has anyone dripping virus particles blown a vape mist onto a petri dish or liquid culture bottle to see if it's a posible vector?

Until then I would rather not smell, or be cloaked in, a mist exhaled from the depths of other people lungs. :shrug:



Vapour from vaping is from vaping, it's not human mucus atomised info a mist from a sneeze.

But I absolutely agree that you shouldn't have to put up with my vape. Which is fine here because it's illegal to vape in all public areas. Just don't come to my house and it would never bother you.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26758289 - 06/19/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Northerner said:
Vapour from vaping is from vaping, it's not human mucus atomised info a mist from a sneeze.




Excuse me if I don't take your word for it. The mist you exhale has been, albeit momentarily, in your mouth. And the vapour produced by some of these mods(I read that you don't use these) are far greater than the vapour that would normally be exhaled. I have stood close enough to people vaping in the winter months to knoow and their normal exhalations are nowhere near the amount as when they suck on their vape.


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