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Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. * 2
    #26756377 - 06/19/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26756395 - 06/19/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Damn that's fucked up...obviously and clear it's about the money


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756406 - 06/19/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756420 - 06/19/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You should get a job working for the Aussie government. They will appreciate your keen eye for detail in the interest of protecting public health.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756436 - 06/19/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.




I think your right, but I think its barley worse then breathing normally, it may linger an extra 60 seconds


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756439 - 06/19/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You should get a job working for the Aussie government. They will appreciate your keen eye for detail in the interest of protecting public health.




I'm afraid the days of the ยฃ10 pom is long gone. I have a sister and aunt that took advantage of it.

The aunt went to Perth, the sister to Melbourne. They were, for real, both named Sheila. lol.

They are now three generations in. I guess that makes my sisters and aunts granchildren born their true Aussies.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756443 - 06/19/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can already see the black market that will spring up to fill this void. Millions of dollars and countless man hours will be thrown at the new criminal enterprises.

I looked at the patches and lozenges. I bet with even rudimentary chemistry skills it wouldn't be hard to base and salt the alks out leaving everything else behind. It's not even day one yet and I can see what is going to happen. There's half a million drug addicts about to be cut off.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756448 - 06/19/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




you could taper your nicotine till you are at 0mg though, and continue vaping 0mg, I did this once and vaped 0mg for like 3 months before I stupidly bought a pack of cigars and re addicted myself to nicotine, during my taper I had about 2 days of uncomfortableness before I was fine, somehow no nicotine fluid still is fun to vape, I was still getting like a dopamine hit from it everytime I puffed, and was still chained to my vape even without the nicotine, but I did like a extremly slow taper, I mix 120ml bottles and tapered my nicotine in half every bottle (about 4 days for me) so my taper was so slow it was like this 6m-3mg-1.5mg-0.7mg-0.3mg-0.1mg-0.05mg-0.03mg-0.01mg-0mg, took me about a month or a bit longer to do, I forget when I got the withdrawals though it was at like 0.05mg or something

I suggest you try this, it may not work, but if it does, its better then smoking


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26756453 - 06/19/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You could also try these.



I smoked for best part of 40 years until I tried these.


Obviously I don't realy give a fuk about looking cool with my great billowing volcanic clouds of vapour. :shrug:

I agree with OP though. It does seem counterproductive to ban them. Just please be mindful of where your exhaling that shite.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 3
    #26756458 - 06/19/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nicorette and dildos? What's that on the right


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: MrMoon]
    #26756461 - 06/19/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756467 - 06/19/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.




I think your right, but I think its barley worse then breathing normally, it may linger an extra 60 seconds



Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.

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You could also try these.



I smoked for best part of 40 years until I tried these.


Obviously I don't realy give a fuk about looking cool with my great billowing volcanic clouds of vapour. :shrug:

I agree with OP though. It does seem counterproductive to ban them. Just please be mindful of where your exhaling that shite.



I smoked for 20 years before I started vaping, tried everything including gum to stop.

I only have a small low powered vape. I'm not chugging clouds and I don't use any flavour, so there's not even a smell.

But yeah, I still have quite a bit of nicotine and ordered more in via express to beat the closure. But i can drop 1mg over every litre of vape juice I go through over years. Won't even notice when it's nil.

But the principle pisses me off. My body. My life. My choice. I don't need some fucker in a suit to tell me how to live.  :crankey:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: polaritymind]
    #26756498 - 06/19/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.



No local production. Tax money isn't there.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756512 - 06/19/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My state banned any flavored tobacco products. Vapes, dip/chew, blunt wraps etc. 

Such a stupid law, especially because I don't even think it was done because of lobbying and corruption, I think the governor and AG really thought it would help kids. Now the kids are puffing bootleg pods that are probably loaded with RC's or lead and stuff.

I don't use nicotine much but I'm only 20 minutes from the next state if I ever need anything. The law must be devastating to convenience stores and smoke shops.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756546 - 06/19/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can rest assured, the ones responsible for the ban will be luxuriously compensated by Big Tobacco.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26756565 - 06/19/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I bet they are already rolling in it.

Australia is the only OECD country to basically hand the vapers back to big tobacco.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756572 - 06/19/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, I bet they are already rolling in it.

Australia is the only OECD country to basically hand the vapers back to big tobacco.



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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756643 - 06/19/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.



No local production. Tax money isn't there.



Maybe with the higher prices that will change now. And the higher demand.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: polaritymind]
    #26756680 - 06/19/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nicotine is scheduled a poison here. There is no mechanism to sell it to the public for consumption unless you are buying ridiculously priced patches and lozenges. They've got it stitched up tight.

They want people smoking or taking pharmas, that's where the money is.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756717 - 06/19/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:baseballfuck:

Ive bulk ordered but am now paranoid our BS (border security) will steal it on the 1st:sad:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756728 - 06/19/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

and I thought canada sucked cause they limit nicotine to 60mg/ml, Australia seems to suck for things like this


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756738 - 06/19/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can you order everything separate and make your own juice? (Pg, VG, nicotine, flavorings) and if nicotine is the problem could you have a friend possibly have it ordered to them and then relabeled "non nicotine" and sent to you?


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756745 - 06/19/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As much as this fucking sucks Northerner, it's still worth remembering that Australia is the absolute best English speaking country in the world to be living in.

Besides, nicotine addiction is a fucking prison. I know restrictions suck, but so does addiction.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26756786 - 06/19/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

JSB and SS your both right.

Re labeling could work and addictions are a prison. but at least it was a prison of my own making less manipulated by the scumbag industry and politicians. Not to mention like Northerner said above. $100au for 50g of tobacco :what:

I honestly feel much better since switching to vapes. Still not good no doubt, its a highly addictive poison proven to cause system wide damage, but at least I could limit the tar and combustion factor.

I smoke too much weed as it is.....

And don't even get me started on the current cluster fuck of legal weed in Canada and the US ect... yall rollin in concentrates, extracts, isolates and high THC vapes that I can only dream of.

Meanwhile its the same ol shit here and elsewhere. Catch a charge for roach in the ashtray.:nonono:

And now they wanna take my vape or a $222.000 fine
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: UnderNose]
    #26756837 - 06/19/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Think of the children! That's why.  :facepalm:

Lol

Same bullshit prohibitionist stuff again. Suits fucking suck at real world decisions. Nicotine by itself isn't very addictive at all until mixed with an MAOI, like what occurs naturally in tobacco. It isn't particularly harmful either, otherwise they wouldn't sell it in the supermarket. Yet this is inconvenient science.

The fact is that people vaping aren't dying from it after more than 10 years, even after many of them smoked for many decades before switching to it. It has considerably improved the life expectancy of all of those people. We do know what is in plain vape, 3 ingredients of which all are sold in the supermarket and are well understood by science. It's not some magical shit like they keep saying. There isn't a mystery. It's a big money buttfuck from the man is what this ban is.

Hoorah for being in Aus. Land of the controlled and the home of the timid.

I've lived in Africa, the UK and Europe, I know how good it is here. But I also know what freedom is like. Sure there's a bit of chaos and not everyone wins a participation medal. But that's worth it in my opinion.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756900 - 06/19/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You lived in all those places except the usa and you know what freedom is like? :wonka: ....I'm sorry man I had to hahaha :shroomeryhead:


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    #26756924 - 06/19/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756946 - 06/19/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yes the children

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Prohibition on importing e-cigarettes containing vaporiser nicotine
Why is the government introducing this regulation?
  In the USA, there was a 78% increase in the number of high school children who are vaping over the most recent 12-month period surveyed. Without action, Australian youth will also be at risk :uhoh:




No mention of harm reduction or potential dangers besides some careless parent leaving nicotine out somewhere for a child to be poisoned.

That 78% used to be me stealing my folks smokes and getting friends dodgy uncles to buy a pack from the corner store.

Think of all the potential taxes, revenue for struggling tobacco companies and decades of profits for poor private health care and big pharma.

I'm glad they set things right.... for the children


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756953 - 06/19/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.



Yeah I was just messing with you. I actually am not that fond of the usa and am going to move to the uk as soon as this travel bullshit is lifted :/


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26757139 - 06/19/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Australian Government Conspiracy?

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That sucks hardcore. Hate those bans and this one is a big surprise. Im really shocked Aus would do this. What in the Fuck is goin on down under there...


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #26757404 - 06/19/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.




I remember when they made psilocybin mushrooms illegal here, It went from being legal to buy and sell and forage one day, to a possession conviction that could earn seven years in prison the next. Abosolutely nothing equitable about it, just cunts abusinng their power.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26757449 - 06/19/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's just the USA's catch phrase about being free, it's not a relative truth compared to other countries. The most heavily imprisoned populace in the world is evidence of that.



I remember when they made psilocybin mushrooms illegal here, It went from being legal to buy and sell and forage one day, to a possession conviction that could earn seven years in prison the next. Abosolutely nothing equitable about it, just cunts abusinng their power.



God I remember those days. Fresh shrooms in every headshop. That shit was awesome!!!!


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26757470 - 06/19/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I had no need of them. I live on the edge of the countyrside so have always been able to pick them.

I wonder if the legal mushroom retailers got compensation from the government, you know like how the gun ownwers did when they had to hand in the weapons. :strokebeard:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26757502 - 06/19/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just stop nicotine. Its a the lamest drug there is.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26757919 - 06/19/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man thats how it usually goes for me.  Like ill be good not smoking at all maybe using gum and then my brain will trick me into thinking smoking a cigar will be fine.  I usually will be back to cigarettes within days of a cigar.

Currently like im at 85 days with no cigs or any form of nicotine what so ever.  Honestly this time the physical withdrawals didnt really end until after 21 days. 

It was a weird one.  I know they say the physical part only lasts for 3 days but i think its way longer than that in reality. 

I am kind of thankful it was so horrible this time because it makes me scared to fuck around at all even with a cigar like I dont want to go back to that shitty feeling again.

It seems to get harder with each quitting attempt but this is the best run ive had since i was 15.

Good luck every one.

I hope you are all doing alright.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26758000 - 06/19/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.




What. Did I miss the point somehow? I thought that was exactly how it is spread. Virus particles attatched in atomised vapour, from your breath, coughing and sneezing.

Of coarse if someone carrying the virus coughs into my face, or exhales copious quantities of vape mist, even though I ware a mask, my eyes are like an open petri dish.
I am not sure any studies have been done, it is after all a 'novel virus'. Has anyone dripping virus particles blown a vape mist onto a petri dish or liquid culture bottle to see if it's a posible vector?

Until then I would rather not smell, or be cloaked in, a mist exhaled from the depths of other people lungs. :shrug:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gillagin780]
    #26758005 - 06/19/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It was a weird one.  I know they say the physical part only lasts for 3 days but i think its way longer than that in reality. 



I dunno where people get this from; it can take up to three weeks for all traces of nicotine to leave your system.

The trick with the stuff is to be absolute; there's no such thing as 'just one smoke' if you're an ex-smoker.

It really is all or nothing. And why go back and forth through that self-imposed hell?


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26758223 - 06/19/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26758227 - 06/19/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've been vaping now for 6 years. There's nothing cool about it. I don't have big fancy mods and blow out huge clouds blueberries in every bastards face. My little mod on low power with no flavour doesn't offend anyone. Most don't even notice that I use it. I don't stink and I'm not choking and spluttering. After 20 years smoking and not being able to stop it was the best thing that happened to me, was my way out of significant premature death.

There's no smoking in any public space in Australia, and that includes prisons. And vaping is considered smoking. But what the fuck did I do? Because some kid somewhere might get on the internet and buy nicotine liquid from overseas I should lose my rights as if I had been convicted and incarcerated? It's already illegal to sell nicotine liquids in Australia which is doing a great job of reducing availability for young people. There's no way to compare the highly restricted market in Australia with the US. Utter nonsense.

Oh, but there was one child death last year from nicotine liquid poisoning. What about how many kids are gonna fucken die and be impoverished when half a million people start smoking again? The house fires and car accidents and skimping on essentials to buy fucking ridiculously priced ciggies is all part of smoking. Kids die every year from eating batteries and rat bait and just about anything else they can get their hands on. It's tragic, but that doesn't mean we should bubble wrap the whole fucking world and put everything out of reach of adults as well.

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Just stop nicotine. Its a the lamest drug there is.



I believe alcohol is the lamest drug there is. How about we tell everyone they aren't allowed to drink anymore and threaten them with $220,000 fines for subverting that law? What's your vice buddy? I'm sure we can find a way to fuck you as well while we're pointing the prohibitionist stick around. I know you're probably not hurting anyone, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make a criminal out of you. Think of the children.

I have been bringing down my nicotine levels in my vape and would be happy if I felt happy without it. I look to my happiness as an indicator of how happy I am, not my wealth or status or career or anything else. To be honest I'm pretty darn happy. It's the first years of my adult life where I haven't been poly drug using/abusing and sobriety is not an issue for me at all. My relationships and family are just great. Everything is just fine. When the time comes to improve myself further I want it on my terms. Not on some fat and sugar munching, alcohol swilling, hypocrites say so because he got a fucking huge hand out from big tobacco and a massive financial rub on the back from big pharma.

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Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.




What. Did I miss the point somehow? I thought that was exactly how it is spread. Virus particles attatched in atomised vapour, from your breath, coughing and sneezing.

Of coarse if someone carrying the virus coughs into my face, or exhales copious quantities of vape mist, even though I ware a mask, my eyes are like an open petri dish.
I am not sure any studies have been done, it is after all a 'novel virus'. Has anyone dripping virus particles blown a vape mist onto a petri dish or liquid culture bottle to see if it's a posible vector?

Until then I would rather not smell, or be cloaked in, a mist exhaled from the depths of other people lungs. :shrug:



Vapour from vaping is from vaping, it's not human mucus atomised info a mist from a sneeze.

But I absolutely agree that you shouldn't have to put up with my vape. Which is fine here because it's illegal to vape in all public areas. Just don't come to my house and it would never bother you.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26758289 - 06/19/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Vapour from vaping is from vaping, it's not human mucus atomised info a mist from a sneeze.




Excuse me if I don't take your word for it. The mist you exhale has been, albeit momentarily, in your mouth. And the vapour produced by some of these mods(I read that you don't use these) are far greater than the vapour that would normally be exhaled. I have stood close enough to people vaping in the winter months to knoow and their normal exhalations are nowhere near the amount as when they suck on their vape.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26758398 - 06/19/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It depends on the person. I didnt cloud chase. I only used vaping to quit cigs. I feel better now that I've been completely nicotine free and vape free but I'm still on the side of vapers..... fight on! :highfive1::rockman:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26758541 - 06/19/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There are so many ignorant people, it seems hopeless and futile to even try to educate or help people, because everytime you do, a bunch of rude retards insult you, or think you're being arrogant.

Vaping nicotine juice is the intelligent way of managing your nicotine addiction, because the nicotine is pure, and you can vape higher % nicotine or lower % nicotine.

This same concept could be applied to most, maybe even all drugs, so that addiction, overdose, etc would become less common, and more easily managed.

The ban of nicotine juice is literally nothing more than people attacking other people because they can't control them, or because they're trying to control them.

Sober people, or people who don't use drugs have addictions: Money, controlling people, abusing people, using people. These people are typical unhealthy braindead unaware ignorant idiots.

It is possible to be healthy, strong, and use the majority of drugs in a way that improve your life.

World peace can never exist because of ignorant unaware people who try to control others instead of teaching them and helping them. Love used to exist and be real but it was destroyed by ignorant unaware unhealthy people.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26783682 - 06/26/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This may have been extended to Jan 1st.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26783752 - 06/26/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why not just legalize and tax the vape products? My area in Canada just slapped a 20 percent tax on them.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26783755 - 06/26/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

oof, I was going to say 20% would be too much, but it would only increae the cost of my nicotine by $5, if the taxed flavours and vg/pg too I would riot though


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26783767 - 06/26/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh noes, now Australians will have ample time to buy liter bottles of nicotine base at chemical suppliers :omgz:

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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26783773 - 06/26/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

goodish news, but now you need the freezer space to store the bottles, I dont think they sell litre bottles in canada, but even if they did I would probably still get the 120ml bottles cause they take up fuck all space in my freezer


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26783777 - 06/26/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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goodish news, but now you need the freezer space to store the bottles, I dont think they sell litre bottles in canada, but even if they did I would probably still get the 120ml bottles cause they take up fuck all space in my freezer





Take care in separating it from your f0od items, its SO TOXIC in its pure form.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26783781 - 06/26/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

we are limited to 60mg/ml here, still wouldnt want to eat it but its not the 100mg/ml they sell in the states, I just put the bottle it came in into a ziplockbag, hoping if the bottle somehow leaks the bag will catch the drops


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26783782 - 06/26/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fairly sure nicotine base was already illegal to import.  Australian nicotine laws have been unusually harsh for awhile now.  The fines are insane as well but from talking with Aussies it was something that was rarely enforced so some would order anyways without problem.

I may be off a little, I used to know their laws but feel a little fuzzy anymore at this point... itโ€™s hard enough keeping track of all the bullshit vape laws in the U.S..

Sold out politicians need to buy a spine with all that money theyโ€™re extorting..:crankey:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26783783 - 06/26/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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we are limited to 60ml/mg here, still wouldnt want to eat it but its not the 100mg/ml they sell in the states, I just put the bottle it came in into a ziplockbag, hoping if the bottle somehow leaks the bag will catch the drops



Itโ€™s hard to find nowadays but you can find pure nicotine base.  That you need full PPE with ventilation to handle..:uhoh:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26783784 - 06/26/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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This may have been extended to Jan 1st.



Woo!

So it has. I've already started tapering my use. Gonna feel good to give up on my own terms though.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26783812 - 06/26/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can always grow your own Nicotiana tabacum, or N. rustica (Mapacho), sun dry it and steep it in VG/PG.


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    #26783815 - 06/26/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

would that leech some cancer causing chemicals?


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26783827 - 06/26/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Almost all cancer causing chemicals in tobacco are caused by flue curing (dont) and by combustion of the product.Sundried tobacco made into snuffs and vapes barely contains carcinogens, but flue cured tobacco (including "american spirit") does.

The processes of flue curing and combustions add additives and alterations of the chemistry.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26783844 - 06/26/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I could do whole acid to base tobacco alkaloid extraction too, but I don't want that. There are complimentary alkaloids and MAOIs in tobacco that make it very addictive. Nicotine by itself is no where near as difficult to quit. Scientists failed to get rats addicted to pure nicotine. It's just not the same. An alkaloid never occurs alone.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26783964 - 06/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I could do whole acid to base tobacco alkaloid extraction too, but I don't want that. There are complimentary alkaloids and MAOIs in tobacco that make it very addictive. Nicotine by itself is no where near as difficult to quit. Scientists failed to get rats addicted to pure nicotine. It's just not the same. An alkaloid never occurs alone.





Precisely that makes sundried tobacco and mapacho BETTER than pure nicotine.

The Native Americans for the most part didnt have a smoking problem.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26784886 - 06/26/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get your logic Asante. Naturally occurring does not correlate with goodness, especially when we are talking about plant defence mechanisms. It's designed to be poisonous. Native Americans likely had less addiction issues because they had respect for their plant medicines and used them in moderation.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26784904 - 06/26/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Northerner, if you are making a PG/VG extract of dry sun dried tobacco, the full true flavor of the tobacco will infuse into your liquid, it will not just have the Nicotine, but the side alkaloids *which make tobacco more Visionary and Satisfying* and you get the essential oils, terpenes and amines.

You are getting an "essence of tobacco"  or "essence of mapacho" that is much truer to tobacco than any product Big Tobacco offers you,


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26784916 - 06/26/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't get your logic Asante. Naturally occurring does not correlate with goodness, especially when we are talking about plant defence mechanisms. It's designed to be poisonous. Native Americans likely had less addiction issues because they had respect for their plant medicines and used them in moderation.




Agree with the earlier part.  The maoi in the plant makes it much more addictive.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26784986 - 06/26/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why would a MAOI make it much more addictive? Maoi are not addictive, and all it at best does is increase bioavailability of the nicotine.

The addictive drug is Nicotine, MAOI increase bioavailability, but they are not addictive in themselves.

If you add more nicotine, you get the bigger kick and the bigger addiction. The MAOI just is an alternative for higher nicotine %.

Vaping lobbies want to make MAOI look like the cuprit, but the culprit is their nicotine.


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    #26784988 - 06/26/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would a MAOI make it much more addictive? Maoi are not addictive, and all it at best does is increase bioavailability of the nicotine.
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That is more or less the why of it.


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    #26785009 - 06/26/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So all a Maoi does is give you the effect of more nicotine...

So you can lower your nicotine when theres maoi present, decreasing your toxicity load,

Same as with shrooms & rue, you cut back on the Shrooms fourfold.


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    #26785016 - 06/26/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:  .

Yeah man  :crankey:
when I see someone talking about quitting a casual cig habit and then start vaping 50mg e juice non stop all day :smbfacepalm:




         


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26785049 - 06/26/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

cigarettes are more addictive for whatever reason, I tapered my nicotine down to 0mg and like a month later I got hooked to cigars, im trying to switch back to my vape, but I keep smoking a few times a day, and I thought id never go back to smokes, I vaped for 3 years


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26785638 - 06/26/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The science is there, and the statistics. Very few people who have never smoked actually get addicted to vaping. It just doesn't give the same hit that draws people (and lab animals) back like tobacco.

Current nicotine addicts remove all carcinogens and tar from their smoking habit by swapping to vaping and also go through minor withdrawals when transitioning over. So by swapping they give up part of the addiction and reduce their harm levels significantly. People who quit vaping who are ex smokers report it to be significantly easier. I know this as a fact as I've quartered my use since the start of this thread and it doesn't bother me. When I was a smoker to drop quickly from 20 to 5 smokes a day was hell. Constant nagging cravings and distraction.

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Yeah man  :crankey:
when I see someone talking about quitting a casual cig habit and then start vaping 50mg e juice non stop all day :smbfacepalm:

         



No such thing as a casual cig habit. That's like saying a casual heroin addict. Sure there are different levels of psychological dependency, but none of it is casual.

No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill. When I swapped to vaping I started on 24mg, as a pretty heavy smoker. Soon after that became too much and I dropped down to 18, then 12, now I'm at 10. This is normal behaviour.

I'm going to dilute my juice to 5mg this weekend. Because I can.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26785663 - 06/26/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So all a Maoi does is give you the effect of more nicotine...

So you can lower your nicotine when theres maoi present, decreasing your toxicity load,

Same as with shrooms & rue, you cut back on the Shrooms fourfold.



One does not control how a plant makes up it's chemistry, it's all or nothing if you smoke that plant. There are a load of alkaloids in tobacco. Not just a couple of things. If has a very complex chemical profile. Smoking is in no way comparable to psilohuasca.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26785869 - 06/26/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26785874 - 06/26/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think thats a little dramatic. I mean, its cigarettes.


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    #26785877 - 06/26/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Mandarinfish] * 1
    #26785878 - 06/26/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26786048 - 06/26/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



this may be the only solution


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26787047 - 06/27/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill.




I looked up how much nicotine was in a Juul cause I didnt understand the 5% listed on thier website and it was something crazy like 60mg/ml I forget the exact number cause I looked it up like 3-4 months ago, but it was crazy high, ever since then I thought Juuls were retarded, I got down to 12mg/ml with my ego pen years ago, and when I upgraded to a mod I had to cut it down to 6mg/ml and stayed there for years till I tried to quit, I cut it in half every few bottles so I went 6 - 3 - 1.5 - 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.05 and thats when I started to get uncomfortable


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    #26787082 - 06/27/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26787609 - 06/27/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill.




I looked up how much nicotine was in a Juul cause I didnt understand the 5% listed on thier website and it was something crazy like 60mg/ml I forget the exact number cause I looked it up like 3-4 months ago, but it was crazy high, ever since then I thought Juuls were retarded, I got down to 12mg/ml with my ego pen years ago, and when I upgraded to a mod I had to cut it down to 6mg/ml and stayed there for years till I tried to quit, I cut it in half every few bottles so I went 6 - 3 - 1.5 - 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.05 and thats when I started to get uncomfortable



Didn't know that about juuls, the high nicotine is probably offset by very low power on a tiny coil. After all it's not the content of the juice that counts but the vapour given off. Being in Australia I've never seen them though. I'm a DIYer anyway. Back when I started regulated mods and pre-built coils didn't exist. Gear came out of people's workshops and you paid big big cash for decent mods and atties as everything was limited run by small people. The technology we use today was being community invented by backyard Bob's in his their shops. Times have changed.

A while back I had a friend suddenly sell all his hard acquired and expensively collected vape gear. His wife was mixing the juice for both of them and he just took what he was given, no questions. One day they were heading down the beach and he realised he'd forgotten his vape and wanted to go back. She told him he didn't need to as it was just a habit anyway. Then she dropped on him that he'd been vaping 0mg for months, he didn't even know. Lol. She'd weaned him off slowly and he didn't realise when he'd stopped consuming nicotine. He vaped for a few days more but it was pointless. A paradigm shift had happened and there was no way back for him. So he quit.


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    #26788170 - 06/27/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

SWIM Its been too long:wonka: Tells me that it is very easy to grow and produces a wonderful pleasant smoke.
Minus all the shit they add to it in commercial form.

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    #26788211 - 06/27/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Australian Government Conspiracy?

That sucks hardcore. Hate those bans and this one is a big surprise. Im really shocked Aus would do this. What in the Fuck is goin on down under there...




Well aus gov is not generating enough income tax revenue since issuing lockdown restrictions. Less money coming in, gotta claw it back in various (nefarious) ways. Governments are sneaky and want to extract money out of their citizens every which way.

I dont smoke so i dont care so much about this but the tactic is obvious and lame.


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    #26788274 - 06/27/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fortunately the whole thing caused chaos with the back benchers who could see reason and lots of questions were asked of the Minister of Health. He capitulate that it's a stupid idea while moaning think of the children. So the whole thing is put off for 6 months until they figure out some way to tax the fuck out of vapers without the backlash. It's gonna be a mess of regulations and pressure on the public healthcare system though. They don't know what they are doing, just making it up as they go along. Remember though that the suits making these decisions are not health care professionals or scientists. They are businessmen. They mix business with their own sense of false morality and decree it as law. It's messed up stuff.


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    #26788535 - 06/27/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I canโ€™t think of a worse set of people to make politicians than the ones that we do.  Until that shit show gets addressed it will be perpetual chaos in every facet of life that their misguided touch can reach.


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