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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26784986 - 06/26/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why would a MAOI make it much more addictive? Maoi are not addictive, and all it at best does is increase bioavailability of the nicotine.
The addictive drug is Nicotine, MAOI increase bioavailability, but they are not addictive in themselves.
If you add more nicotine, you get the bigger kick and the bigger addiction. The MAOI just is an alternative for higher nicotine %.
Vaping lobbies want to make MAOI look like the cuprit, but the culprit is their nicotine.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26784988 - 06/26/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Why would a MAOI make it much more addictive? Maoi are not addictive, and all it at best does is increase bioavailability of the nicotine. .
That is more or less the why of it.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26785009 - 06/26/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So all a Maoi does is give you the effect of more nicotine...
So you can lower your nicotine when theres maoi present, decreasing your toxicity load,
Same as with shrooms & rue, you cut back on the Shrooms fourfold.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26785016 - 06/26/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man  when I see someone talking about quitting a casual cig habit and then start vaping 50mg e juice non stop all day 
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26785049 - 06/26/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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cigarettes are more addictive for whatever reason, I tapered my nicotine down to 0mg and like a month later I got hooked to cigars, im trying to switch back to my vape, but I keep smoking a few times a day, and I thought id never go back to smokes, I vaped for 3 years
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26785638 - 06/26/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The science is there, and the statistics. Very few people who have never smoked actually get addicted to vaping. It just doesn't give the same hit that draws people (and lab animals) back like tobacco.
Current nicotine addicts remove all carcinogens and tar from their smoking habit by swapping to vaping and also go through minor withdrawals when transitioning over. So by swapping they give up part of the addiction and reduce their harm levels significantly. People who quit vaping who are ex smokers report it to be significantly easier. I know this as a fact as I've quartered my use since the start of this thread and it doesn't bother me. When I was a smoker to drop quickly from 20 to 5 smokes a day was hell. Constant nagging cravings and distraction.
It's just how it is.
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Yeah man  when I see someone talking about quitting a casual cig habit and then start vaping 50mg e juice non stop all day 
No such thing as a casual cig habit. That's like saying a casual heroin addict. Sure there are different levels of psychological dependency, but none of it is casual.
No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill. When I swapped to vaping I started on 24mg, as a pretty heavy smoker. Soon after that became too much and I dropped down to 18, then 12, now I'm at 10. This is normal behaviour.
I'm going to dilute my juice to 5mg this weekend. Because I can.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26785663 - 06/26/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: So all a Maoi does is give you the effect of more nicotine...
So you can lower your nicotine when theres maoi present, decreasing your toxicity load,
Same as with shrooms & rue, you cut back on the Shrooms fourfold.
One does not control how a plant makes up it's chemistry, it's all or nothing if you smoke that plant. There are a load of alkaloids in tobacco. Not just a couple of things. If has a very complex chemical profile. Smoking is in no way comparable to psilohuasca.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Mandarinfish]
#26785874 - 06/26/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think thats a little dramatic. I mean, its cigarettes.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26786048 - 06/26/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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this may be the only solution
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26787047 - 06/27/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill.
I looked up how much nicotine was in a Juul cause I didnt understand the 5% listed on thier website and it was something crazy like 60mg/ml I forget the exact number cause I looked it up like 3-4 months ago, but it was crazy high, ever since then I thought Juuls were retarded, I got down to 12mg/ml with my ego pen years ago, and when I upgraded to a mod I had to cut it down to 6mg/ml and stayed there for years till I tried to quit, I cut it in half every few bottles so I went 6 - 3 - 1.5 - 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.05 and thats when I started to get uncomfortable
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26787082 - 06/27/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a joke for governments to think they can prevent us from exploring our minds
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
#26787609 - 06/27/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No way a light nicotine user would be able to use 50mg juice without feeling constantly ill.
I looked up how much nicotine was in a Juul cause I didnt understand the 5% listed on thier website and it was something crazy like 60mg/ml I forget the exact number cause I looked it up like 3-4 months ago, but it was crazy high, ever since then I thought Juuls were retarded, I got down to 12mg/ml with my ego pen years ago, and when I upgraded to a mod I had to cut it down to 6mg/ml and stayed there for years till I tried to quit, I cut it in half every few bottles so I went 6 - 3 - 1.5 - 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.05 and thats when I started to get uncomfortable
Didn't know that about juuls, the high nicotine is probably offset by very low power on a tiny coil. After all it's not the content of the juice that counts but the vapour given off. Being in Australia I've never seen them though. I'm a DIYer anyway. Back when I started regulated mods and pre-built coils didn't exist. Gear came out of people's workshops and you paid big big cash for decent mods and atties as everything was limited run by small people. The technology we use today was being community invented by backyard Bob's in his their shops. Times have changed.
A while back I had a friend suddenly sell all his hard acquired and expensively collected vape gear. His wife was mixing the juice for both of them and he just took what he was given, no questions. One day they were heading down the beach and he realised he'd forgotten his vape and wanted to go back. She told him he didn't need to as it was just a habit anyway. Then she dropped on him that he'd been vaping 0mg for months, he didn't even know. Lol. She'd weaned him off slowly and he didn't realise when he'd stopped consuming nicotine. He vaped for a few days more but it was pointless. A paradigm shift had happened and there was no way back for him. So he quit.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26788170 - 06/27/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SWIM Its been too long Tells me that it is very easy to grow and produces a wonderful pleasant smoke. Minus all the shit they add to it in commercial form.
Though its straight to jail do not pass go sort of stuff.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26788211 - 06/27/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Australian Government Conspiracy?
That sucks hardcore. Hate those bans and this one is a big surprise. Im really shocked Aus would do this. What in the Fuck is goin on down under there...
Well aus gov is not generating enough income tax revenue since issuing lockdown restrictions. Less money coming in, gotta claw it back in various (nefarious) ways. Governments are sneaky and want to extract money out of their citizens every which way.
I dont smoke so i dont care so much about this but the tactic is obvious and lame.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: The Thing]
#26788274 - 06/27/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fortunately the whole thing caused chaos with the back benchers who could see reason and lots of questions were asked of the Minister of Health. He capitulate that it's a stupid idea while moaning think of the children. So the whole thing is put off for 6 months until they figure out some way to tax the fuck out of vapers without the backlash. It's gonna be a mess of regulations and pressure on the public healthcare system though. They don't know what they are doing, just making it up as they go along. Remember though that the suits making these decisions are not health care professionals or scientists. They are businessmen. They mix business with their own sense of false morality and decree it as law. It's messed up stuff.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26788535 - 06/27/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I canโt think of a worse set of people to make politicians than the ones that we do. Until that shit show gets addressed it will be perpetual chaos in every facet of life that their misguided touch can reach.
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