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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#26758398 - 06/19/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It depends on the person. I didnt cloud chase. I only used vaping to quit cigs. I feel better now that I've been completely nicotine free and vape free but I'm still on the side of vapers..... fight on! 
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] 1
#26758541 - 06/19/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are so many ignorant people, it seems hopeless and futile to even try to educate or help people, because everytime you do, a bunch of rude retards insult you, or think you're being arrogant.
Vaping nicotine juice is the intelligent way of managing your nicotine addiction, because the nicotine is pure, and you can vape higher % nicotine or lower % nicotine.
This same concept could be applied to most, maybe even all drugs, so that addiction, overdose, etc would become less common, and more easily managed.
The ban of nicotine juice is literally nothing more than people attacking other people because they can't control them, or because they're trying to control them.
Sober people, or people who don't use drugs have addictions: Money, controlling people, abusing people, using people. These people are typical unhealthy braindead unaware ignorant idiots.
It is possible to be healthy, strong, and use the majority of drugs in a way that improve your life.
World peace can never exist because of ignorant unaware people who try to control others instead of teaching them and helping them. Love used to exist and be real but it was destroyed by ignorant unaware unhealthy people.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] 1
#26783682 - 06/26/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This may have been extended to Jan 1st.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Amanita86]
#26783752 - 06/26/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not just legalize and tax the vape products? My area in Canada just slapped a 20 percent tax on them.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: viraldrome] 1
#26783755 - 06/26/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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oof, I was going to say 20% would be too much, but it would only increae the cost of my nicotine by $5, if the taxed flavours and vg/pg too I would riot though
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher] 1
#26783767 - 06/26/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh noes, now Australians will have ample time to buy liter bottles of nicotine base at chemical suppliers 
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783773 - 06/26/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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goodish news, but now you need the freezer space to store the bottles, I dont think they sell litre bottles in canada, but even if they did I would probably still get the 120ml bottles cause they take up fuck all space in my freezer
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
#26783777 - 06/26/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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gopher said: goodish news, but now you need the freezer space to store the bottles, I dont think they sell litre bottles in canada, but even if they did I would probably still get the 120ml bottles cause they take up fuck all space in my freezer
Take care in separating it from your f0od items, its SO TOXIC in its pure form.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783781 - 06/26/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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we are limited to 60mg/ml here, still wouldnt want to eat it but its not the 100mg/ml they sell in the states, I just put the bottle it came in into a ziplockbag, hoping if the bottle somehow leaks the bag will catch the drops
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783782 - 06/26/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fairly sure nicotine base was already illegal to import. Australian nicotine laws have been unusually harsh for awhile now. The fines are insane as well but from talking with Aussies it was something that was rarely enforced so some would order anyways without problem.
I may be off a little, I used to know their laws but feel a little fuzzy anymore at this point... it’s hard enough keeping track of all the bullshit vape laws in the U.S..
Sold out politicians need to buy a spine with all that money they’re extorting..
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
#26783783 - 06/26/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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gopher said: we are limited to 60ml/mg here, still wouldnt want to eat it but its not the 100mg/ml they sell in the states, I just put the bottle it came in into a ziplockbag, hoping if the bottle somehow leaks the bag will catch the drops
It’s hard to find nowadays but you can find pure nicotine base. That you need full PPE with ventilation to handle..
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Amanita86]
#26783784 - 06/26/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: This may have been extended to Jan 1st.
Woo!
So it has. I've already started tapering my use. Gonna feel good to give up on my own terms though.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783812 - 06/26/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can always grow your own Nicotiana tabacum, or N. rustica (Mapacho), sun dry it and steep it in VG/PG.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783815 - 06/26/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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would that leech some cancer causing chemicals?
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
#26783827 - 06/26/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Almost all cancer causing chemicals in tobacco are caused by flue curing (dont) and by combustion of the product.Sundried tobacco made into snuffs and vapes barely contains carcinogens, but flue cured tobacco (including "american spirit") does.
The processes of flue curing and combustions add additives and alterations of the chemistry.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26783844 - 06/26/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I could do whole acid to base tobacco alkaloid extraction too, but I don't want that. There are complimentary alkaloids and MAOIs in tobacco that make it very addictive. Nicotine by itself is no where near as difficult to quit. Scientists failed to get rats addicted to pure nicotine. It's just not the same. An alkaloid never occurs alone.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26783964 - 06/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I could do whole acid to base tobacco alkaloid extraction too, but I don't want that. There are complimentary alkaloids and MAOIs in tobacco that make it very addictive. Nicotine by itself is no where near as difficult to quit. Scientists failed to get rats addicted to pure nicotine. It's just not the same. An alkaloid never occurs alone.
Precisely that makes sundried tobacco and mapacho BETTER than pure nicotine.
The Native Americans for the most part didnt have a smoking problem.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
#26784886 - 06/26/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't get your logic Asante. Naturally occurring does not correlate with goodness, especially when we are talking about plant defence mechanisms. It's designed to be poisonous. Native Americans likely had less addiction issues because they had respect for their plant medicines and used them in moderation.
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26784904 - 06/26/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Northerner, if you are making a PG/VG extract of dry sun dried tobacco, the full true flavor of the tobacco will infuse into your liquid, it will not just have the Nicotine, but the side alkaloids *which make tobacco more Visionary and Satisfying* and you get the essential oils, terpenes and amines.
You are getting an "essence of tobacco" or "essence of mapacho" that is much truer to tobacco than any product Big Tobacco offers you,
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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
#26784916 - 06/26/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I don't get your logic Asante. Naturally occurring does not correlate with goodness, especially when we are talking about plant defence mechanisms. It's designed to be poisonous. Native Americans likely had less addiction issues because they had respect for their plant medicines and used them in moderation.
Agree with the earlier part. The maoi in the plant makes it much more addictive.
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