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Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. * 2
    #26756377 - 06/19/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26756395 - 06/19/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Damn that's fucked up...obviously and clear it's about the money


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756406 - 06/19/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756420 - 06/19/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You should get a job working for the Aussie government. They will appreciate your keen eye for detail in the interest of protecting public health.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756436 - 06/19/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.




I think your right, but I think its barley worse then breathing normally, it may linger an extra 60 seconds


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756439 - 06/19/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You should get a job working for the Aussie government. They will appreciate your keen eye for detail in the interest of protecting public health.




I'm afraid the days of the £10 pom is long gone. I have a sister and aunt that took advantage of it.

The aunt went to Perth, the sister to Melbourne. They were, for real, both named Sheila. lol.

They are now three generations in. I guess that makes my sisters and aunts granchildren born their true Aussies.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756443 - 06/19/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can already see the black market that will spring up to fill this void. Millions of dollars and countless man hours will be thrown at the new criminal enterprises.

I looked at the patches and lozenges. I bet with even rudimentary chemistry skills it wouldn't be hard to base and salt the alks out leaving everything else behind. It's not even day one yet and I can see what is going to happen. There's half a million drug addicts about to be cut off.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756448 - 06/19/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




you could taper your nicotine till you are at 0mg though, and continue vaping 0mg, I did this once and vaped 0mg for like 3 months before I stupidly bought a pack of cigars and re addicted myself to nicotine, during my taper I had about 2 days of uncomfortableness before I was fine, somehow no nicotine fluid still is fun to vape, I was still getting like a dopamine hit from it everytime I puffed, and was still chained to my vape even without the nicotine, but I did like a extremly slow taper, I mix 120ml bottles and tapered my nicotine in half every bottle (about 4 days for me) so my taper was so slow it was like this 6m-3mg-1.5mg-0.7mg-0.3mg-0.1mg-0.05mg-0.03mg-0.01mg-0mg, took me about a month or a bit longer to do, I forget when I got the withdrawals though it was at like 0.05mg or something

I suggest you try this, it may not work, but if it does, its better then smoking


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: gopher]
    #26756453 - 06/19/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You could also try these.



I smoked for best part of 40 years until I tried these.


Obviously I don't realy give a fuk about looking cool with my great billowing volcanic clouds of vapour. :shrug:

I agree with OP though. It does seem counterproductive to ban them. Just please be mindful of where your exhaling that shite.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9] * 3
    #26756458 - 06/19/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nicorette and dildos? What's that on the right


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: MrMoon]
    #26756461 - 06/19/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26756467 - 06/19/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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gopher said:
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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Northerner said:
So our benevolent overlords on our island nation have decided that all vapers are now to be criminals. I saw a guy pay $100 today for a 50g pack or tobacco with papers. Now if I import nicotine for my vaping habit that costs me 50c a day it's going to be a $220,000 fine.

Follow the money.

I have absolutely zero belief that these moves are about public health and safety. The half million vapers in Australia when they run out of nicotine will start smoking again. That's a lot cash every day in extra tax that the guvmint has been missing out on by these tax dodging sinful vapers.

I'm absolutely fucken outraged. If I can buy cigarettes and nicotine gum and alcohol, drink coca cola and eat McDonald's I should be able to make the decision whether or not I vape. It's my body and it's my choice. I'm not endangering anyone or stopping myself being a productive member of society.

Aussie government can go get fucked. Yet again they criminalise me when I hurt no one and help many.




Are you sure? I am concerned that the vapour you exhale could be a carrier of covid. If I can smell the vapour which has been in your lungs it is a potential vector for contamination. I have seen no research that proves otherwise.




I think your right, but I think its barley worse then breathing normally, it may linger an extra 60 seconds



Sounds like utter nonsense to me. COVID isn't carried by exhalation of air vapour, it's not measles.

But that is irrelevant in Australia as vaping is already banned in all public places including within 6m of the door of any public building. It's even already illegal to vape in a car with your own kids. Basically the only place you're allowed to vape is in your own home already.

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You could also try these.



I smoked for best part of 40 years until I tried these.


Obviously I don't realy give a fuk about looking cool with my great billowing volcanic clouds of vapour. :shrug:

I agree with OP though. It does seem counterproductive to ban them. Just please be mindful of where your exhaling that shite.



I smoked for 20 years before I started vaping, tried everything including gum to stop.

I only have a small low powered vape. I'm not chugging clouds and I don't use any flavour, so there's not even a smell.

But yeah, I still have quite a bit of nicotine and ordered more in via express to beat the closure. But i can drop 1mg over every litre of vape juice I go through over years. Won't even notice when it's nil.

But the principle pisses me off. My body. My life. My choice. I don't need some fucker in a suit to tell me how to live.  :crankey:


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: polaritymind]
    #26756498 - 06/19/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.



No local production. Tax money isn't there.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756512 - 06/19/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My state banned any flavored tobacco products. Vapes, dip/chew, blunt wraps etc. 

Such a stupid law, especially because I don't even think it was done because of lobbying and corruption, I think the governor and AG really thought it would help kids. Now the kids are puffing bootleg pods that are probably loaded with RC's or lead and stuff.

I don't use nicotine much but I'm only 20 minutes from the next state if I ever need anything. The law must be devastating to convenience stores and smoke shops.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26756546 - 06/19/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can rest assured, the ones responsible for the ban will be luxuriously compensated by Big Tobacco.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Asante]
    #26756565 - 06/19/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I bet they are already rolling in it.

Australia is the only OECD country to basically hand the vapers back to big tobacco.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756572 - 06/19/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, I bet they are already rolling in it.

Australia is the only OECD country to basically hand the vapers back to big tobacco.



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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756643 - 06/19/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there no australian e liquid producers?
In that case import wouldnt be neccesary.



No local production. Tax money isn't there.



Maybe with the higher prices that will change now. And the higher demand.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: polaritymind]
    #26756680 - 06/19/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nicotine is scheduled a poison here. There is no mechanism to sell it to the public for consumption unless you are buying ridiculously priced patches and lozenges. They've got it stitched up tight.

They want people smoking or taking pharmas, that's where the money is.


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Re: Australia moves to ban nicotine import from July 1. [Re: Northerner]
    #26756717 - 06/19/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:baseballfuck:

Ive bulk ordered but am now paranoid our BS (border security) will steal it on the 1st:sad:


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